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- thegamingguy, on 11/24/2008, -6/+78To Do List:
#1 implement playoff system - hays, on 11/24/2008, -3/+36Your argument makes no sense. It's a three way tie, they're each 1 and 1 against each other. You can't make arguments like "Texas beat OK so they should be on top" because you'll just argue yourself in circles all day. If Texas should be on top of OK, then Texas Tech should be on top of Texas, then Oklahoma should be on top of Texas Tech, oh no the universe explodes.
Since it's a three way tie, you have to look at strength of schedule. Right now, Texas has the tougher schedule because they've already played Oklahoma State. Oklahoma will get their chance this week.
I wouldn't take it for granted that the SEC is stronger than the big 12 this year. - stukdog, on 11/24/2008, -1/+34All this arguing is crazy. We're all victims of the system.
Can't we just stick to laughing at Notre Dame? - dagnabbit, on 11/24/2008, -3/+21Playoffs?! Don't talk about..playoffs! Playoffs! Are you kiddin' me?
- ScottoGato, on 11/24/2008, -2/+19***** the BCS.
- Boing, on 11/24/2008, -4/+20Enough with the SEC is the almighty god of college football. Sometimes they are the best conference, sometimes they are not. It changes.
- jeremyosborne81, on 11/24/2008, -22/+38It actually does make sense. Texas and Oklahoma are both 10-1. Texas beat Oklahoma, therefore they are better and should be ranked higher. Alabama is undefeated and plays in the absolute toughest division in all of sports, the Southeastern Conference of college football. Therefore, they are number 1.
Out of the three of them I'm more of an OU fan but ultimately I'm a Michigan fan, but they kind of suck these past couple of years. Oh well. - coldwind777, on 11/24/2008, -1/+16I'd love to know exactly who is actually in the SEC that makes it so damn tough? I'll give you Alabama, Florida and Georgia, but after that, nothing.
It honestly seems like the argument every year goes like this: The SEC is real tough. Look at all these great teams! Wait, they've started losing? That just shows you how tough the SEC is.
Nevermind that they have teams that just barely scrape by Troy or lose to highly regarded ACC powerhouse Wake Forest.
I'm not arguing that they aren't the toughest conference, they very well may be. But can you really say, with that much certainty, that they're really hands-down better than, say, the Big XII with 5 ranked teams, or the Big Ten with 4? Is it really that easy to ascertain? - Eiknujrac, on 11/24/2008, -5/+19But, you can quantify the arguments:
Texas: Lost on the road, in the last second, by 6 points
Oklahoma: Lost on neutral ground, by 10 points
Tech: Lost on the road, by 44 points - Czechxican, on 11/24/2008, -2/+16Just sayin...the SEC sucks this year. LSU almost lost to a bunch of crap teams, Arkansas is weak, Florida is just now getting good, in my opinion they are probably better than Alabama in terms of how they play now, Vanderbilt and Tennessee are awful. Alabama has had some good games no doubt, but when you watch 3 undefeated teams all play each other in the big 12, along with some other ornery opponents like OSU you gotta admit the big 12 south is where it's at this year.
- drstulsa, on 11/24/2008, -0/+12As an OU fan, I'm not really that concerned with Texas moving into the number 2 spot. Our win over Tech definitely moved us into a position to make it into the Conf. game. We still need a win over a very good OSU team in Stillwater. If the Texas and, to some extent, Tech games had been played in Stillwater, this conversation might be much different. With the way the system is configured, OU will get the nod over Texas due to the timing of their loss and their late season victories over highly ranked opponents. The computers are simply waiting for the outcome of the OSU game, while the voters are somewhat anticipating an OU victory.
- joe122370, on 11/24/2008, -9/+20aah but OU stomped Texas Tech, the only team to beat Texas
- dafragsta, on 11/24/2008, -3/+13It's OK. When we beat the Pokes at home next week, and Florida knocks off Alabama we'll be #1.
- acparks1, on 11/24/2008, -2/+12Nobody gives a ***** about Utah
- tazzydnc, on 11/24/2008, -7/+16hmm maybe because Texas beat Oklahoma?
- corbinat, on 11/24/2008, -1/+9BCS is all about the money
- asskicker32, on 11/24/2008, -12/+20Sounds right to me. OU lost to UT. UT is the better team, why shouldnt they be number 2?
- archer104, on 11/24/2008, -1/+8Texas should stay ahead of OU, here's why:
1. Texas lost on the road, at the last second, after the gauntlet, without Cosby (top receiver) and Orakpo (top defensive player), by a dropped easy interception.
2. OU lost (their traditionally biggest game) on a neutral field, by a touchdown and field goal, TO TEXAS. So basically just looking at the one loss, OU has the worse loss.
3. Texas beat more ranked teams when they were at their highest ranking including destroying Missouri who won the Big 12 north. They have a greater strength of schedule, including 4 ranked teams in a row.
4. OU has done terribly in bowl games recently. - Rahmbo, on 11/24/2008, -5/+12When OU wins at OSU they'll leap Texas, it just takes a few computer rankings switching around. OU's strength of schedule will improve, Texas's will go down, OU's quality wins will increase, Texas's will remain the same. The separation is 8 one-thousandths of a point, next week should erase that.
- cromulent742, on 11/24/2008, -1/+8Ans let's not forget to have a hearty laugh at Michigan as well
- acparks1, on 11/24/2008, -7/+14If you really think that Dallas, TEXAS is neutral ground, you're out of your mind.
- Asten77, on 11/24/2008, -0/+7I'm with you there. I was giddy watching that kick drop short on saturday.
- seanjohntx, on 11/24/2008, -1/+8Why don't we just compare the teams that OU and Texas have both played:
Baylor - Texas 45-21 home, OU 49-14 away
Kansas - Texas 35-7 away, OU 45-31 home
Tech - Texas 39-33 away, OU 66-21 home
A&M - Texas ? home, OU 66-23 away
OSU - Texas 28-24 home, OU ? away
So, I would say that its pretty even given Texas loss to Tech and Texas' beat down of Kansas on the road with OU's close one at home.
And I know people are saying that OU has a stronger non-conference schedule with wins over Cincinnati and TCU but don't forget that their other two nonconference wins were against division II Chattanooga and winless Washington. That's pretty weak. At least all of Texas' opponents were Division 1 and weren't completely winless. They even have a team from the best and deepest conference, the SEC. In addition, Texas' conference schedule was a little tougher than OU's because Texas beat down Mizzou.
If only their was a way to compare to them head-to-head? Oh wait, that's right, Texas beat OU by 10 on a nuetral site. When have we ever considered anything else besides the head-to-head when two teams have the same record? Any other time Texas has lost to OU and they had the same record, people would've thought you were crazy for ranking Texas ahead of OU if they had the same record.
And what's with the collective amnesia that has clouded everyone's memories of OU and BCS losses the past four outta five years? Let's see, blown out by West Virginia last year, tricked by Boise State the year before, beat down by pretty much the same USC team that Texas beat in what amounted to a home game the following year, and a lose to LSU in the championship after losing the big XII title game. Time for a team that is undefeated in BCS games to have a shot. (texas) - roberekson, on 11/24/2008, -0/+7Go to the game sometime. It's pretty close to 50/50 in the stands. No team has a clear homefield advantage.
And believe me, there are plenty of Okie fans that live in Texas. - acparks1, on 11/24/2008, -1/+7Thank you. Finally someone else who understands the system.
- CaptainBukko, on 11/24/2008, -1/+7Except that is doesn't make sense when you figure that Texas Tech is also 10-1 and they beat Texas so they should be ranked higher...oh wait.
- enjoyincubus19, on 11/24/2008, -1/+7You people are rediculous.
Have yall ever watched the TX-OU game?
I'm gonna go ahead and assume yall haven't been to the game or the state fair.
The stadium is SPLIT IN HALF. Half Longhorn fans, half Sooner fans. There are just as many OU fans there as Texas fans. - designerutah, on 11/24/2008, -0/+6How can you call it a National Championship without a playoff system? The way the BCS currently works, you can have undefeated teams end the year without becoming the national champions while the champions lost once. How does that work? College football needs to have a playoff system, just like other sports if you want anyone to believe the title "National Champions."
- Rahmbo, on 11/24/2008, -0/+6Haha Weiss sucks, still, and Notre Dame's too married to Mr. Schematic Advantage to boot him so they'll keep on sucking.
- gametavern, on 11/24/2008, -0/+5A&M Couldn't win by 30 if they were the only players on the field.
- Asten77, on 11/24/2008, -1/+6Less ego?
- LoveLikeRockets, on 11/24/2008, -2/+7#2 wash dirty laundry
- seanjohntx, on 11/24/2008, -2/+7All this argueing won't matter after next weekend when Baylor beats Tech. Hopefully tech is still hungover from the loss. (I can hope right?) Texas and OU will then be tied and Texas wins the head-to-head tiebreaker and goes to the Big XII title game.
- roberekson, on 11/24/2008, -5/+10a 10-point loss and being outscored 25-7 in the second half is barely losing?
Barely losing is the most miraculous play in Texas Tech's history. - jordanlgta, on 11/24/2008, -0/+5Roll Tide. Digg me down. It makes me happier.
- gdo01, on 11/24/2008, -0/+5Gators beat Tennessee by 24
- roberekson, on 11/24/2008, -0/+5Texas Tech isn't a terrible team. They were at the end of their "gauntlet" of games and got blown by OU, whereas Texas lost by a last-second play at the end of their gauntlet.
- Clark3934, on 11/24/2008, -3/+8roberekson, you realize the the bulk of a state school's support does not lie in the college town itself, but rather scattered throughout the state?
Even if Norman is 7 miles closer than Austin, there is no way you can argue that there are more Oklahoma fans in Dallas-Ft. Worth area than there are fans of Texas. - grobinson, on 11/24/2008, -1/+6Play-
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system. - alexkball, on 11/24/2008, -0/+5"all in the same conference so strength of schedule is also a tie"
not exactly there chief. OU beat Cincinatti who was unranked when they met in week 2, but has proven themselves a good team and are now ranked #16, poised to win the Big East. Same goes for their win over TCU, another non-conference team that is now ranked #14.
One of UT's so-called Quality wins is against Mizzou, who was ranked #11 when they played, but has since fallen out of the rankings entirely.
OU has definitely played better teams, and played better against them, than UT has. UT would have been creamed by OU if that game was played in Norman.
Oh, and I'm a lifelong Longhorns fan living in Austin, TX, but OU is clearly better. - bitweever, on 11/24/2008, -2/+7Plus, the Texas win versus OU was a 45-35 eeking out in a close game. It wasn't a pounding like OU handed to Tech on Saturday.
- roddack, on 11/24/2008, -3/+8Which doesn't help your argument
Texas: Lost by 6 to Tech: Beat Oklahoma by 10
Oklahoma: Lost by 10 and WTF pwnd Tech who beat Texas
Tech: Beat Texas and got pwnd by Oklahoma
Also I would say that Oklahoma has been reborn and looked stellar since the Texas lost. Texas however has been mediocre since the Texas game.
Assuming the teams win out. The real deciding factor will be the OU-OSU game. If OU crushes OSU like the have their last few opponets they should go ahead of Texas no questions asked. But if its close then it is still up for debate
Only thing for sure? One side will feel cheated in the end. - Jackson0909, on 11/24/2008, -0/+5Florida beat Tennessee. I believe you are thinking about Ole Miss. Florida lost to Ole Miss, but Alabama beat them.
- gametavern, on 11/24/2008, -2/+7Why? Because Texas lost by literally one second AWAY. If it was a home game, it wouldn't even have been close. The BCS poll knows that ;-)
- Loonatickle, on 11/24/2008, -1/+5You can't use the rankings to determine the rankings because you don't know them yet. Logic fail.
- Fleagleman, on 11/24/2008, -1/+5Did you see this weekend's game at all? Apparently, those guns are shooting blanks.
- Liotius, on 11/24/2008, -1/+5Utah is now ranked 6th.
- jkavvy, on 11/24/2008, -3/+7Assuming all three of Texas, OU and Tech were to win out, I just don't see how you can NOT give the nod to Texas.
Of the 3, Texas will finish with the toughest strength of schedule and will be ranked the highest in the majority of the computer polls. (Several BCS gurus have calculated it out already)
Of the 3, Texas will have the most 'understandable' loss. Texas lost on a last second play on the road. Oklahoma lost by double-digits on a neutral field to Texas. Tech lost by a boatload on the road.
Of the 3, Texas is the only team to not play a Div 1AA team. OU played 1 and Tech played 2. - FrostySol, on 11/24/2008, -3/+7@acparks1: Have you been in Dallas during Texas-OU weekend? If you just looked at license plates you'd think it was southern Oklahoma, not north Texas.
- jvjackson, on 11/24/2008, -0/+4under completely different circumstances: they beat them at home, Texas played Tech away. Texas beat OU at a neutral stadium so that's the best indicator of who is better in my opinion
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