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- howdareyou, on 08/28/2008, -1/+82Your title and description is raping my brain.
- mileswj, on 08/28/2008, -0/+65So taking a kid home to take care of him and let him get rest is homocide? How the hell is she supposed to know that hell die from it, I sure wouldnt of known.
- NakedCritic, on 08/28/2008, -0/+57I'm no lawyer, but shouldn't that be criminal negligence causing death? She didn't force-feed booze to the kid.
- inactive, on 08/28/2008, -0/+47I wonder if that sleeping homeless guy I walked past the other day was really dying of alcohol poisoning. *****, I might be a murderer too.
- rexykik, on 08/28/2008, -1/+44Description a bit redundant? Description a bit redundant?
- paradox4190, on 08/28/2008, -1/+42Your brain was asking for it when it dressed like that.
- jax0047, on 08/28/2008, -1/+33My idea of helping in these situations is drawing a penis on the person's face with a sharpie. If the woman in the article did anything more helpful than that, she is a better person than I. And I, good sir, am no murderer.
- strictnein, on 08/28/2008, -0/+32And aren't their good samaritan laws out there? She thought the best thing was to get the kid home and sleep it off. Homicide seems like a pretty tough charge here.
- kd420, on 08/28/2008, -1/+32It seems she probably thought he just passed out. She should have checked vital signs, asked how much the person drank etc. but she didn't. But homicide, really?? No way, thats too much to expect of someone in that situtation and then say she was responsible.
- floridiot2, on 08/28/2008, -0/+28Note to self, do not help anyone in need.
- Lith25, on 08/28/2008, -0/+24Stupid. It's not her fault the boy took a lethal dose of alcohol. I've seen lots of people out cold from alcohol and for the most part everyone is ok after getting rest. I would of done the same thing she did.
- imnojezus, on 08/28/2008, -0/+22Uh, have you ever been to a big party? If you called 911 for every passed out kid you encountered, you'd likely be arrested for misuse of emergency systems. This was a mistake, but certainly not homicide in any degree, and not even manslaughter unless he showed obvious signs of being in trouble.
- madeingermany, on 08/27/2008, -6/+27" the teen [..] was declared brain dead the next day and removed from life support"
Where was the Terri Schiavo-style outrage and the Bush administration's policy change to keep him on life support? - Neiliosullivan, on 08/27/2008, -2/+21Utah has the strictest alcohol laws in the whole of the United States. Go figure.
- pintomp3, on 08/28/2008, -2/+21Terri Schiavo didn't starve to death, her body did. Terri Schiavo died long before, only her body remained.
- GeorgeWKush, on 08/28/2008, -2/+20I'm 24, and If I were called to pick up a drunk teen I would have done the same thing. How am I supposed to know the dumbass drank so much that he would die?
Adults are now responsible for the actions of ignorant youths? Give me a break. Next time I'm called to help anyone, I'll stay as far away as possible, just to avoid any "criminal negligence" *****. - AwsmGy, on 08/28/2008, -0/+17Since you offered no help, you're in the clear.
- friarbayliff, on 08/28/2008, -0/+15The homicide charge is ridiculous. I think you might be able to make a case for manslaughter, but certainly not a full-on charge like this.
It would be interesting to hear how unresponsive he actually was, but my first instinct is to say that she certainly acted negligent by not taking him to the hospital. Shallow/no breathing, unrelenting vomiting and convulsions, etc - you take people to the hospital over this kind of stuff, bar none. Not knowing someone can die from those sorts of circumstances is stupid and perhaps criminally negligent, but certainly not homicide.
Stupid person. Stupid charge. - rhumber, on 08/28/2008, -0/+13Maybe you're just no fun, but having passed out drunk on more than one occasion myself, i can tell you that death is not the norm. Insane hangover the next morning however, is much more likely. Cut her some slack.
- ShugNinx21, on 08/28/2008, -0/+11I certainly know that you can die from too much alcohol.
What i do not know are the symptoms that would lead me to believe that a person was in danger of dying from it, rather than just being really really ***** faced drunk and passed out. - kinseyincanada, on 08/28/2008, -1/+12because there wasnt a fight between the parents on what to do?
- 3Den, on 08/28/2008, -2/+13Haven't you ever been stupid drunk, barfed a lot, then passed out cold?
The reluctance to hit the hospital in this situation, especially with US medical care being what it is, is understandable. - inactive, on 08/28/2008, -2/+13Do you have any idea how statistically improbable it is for a "unresponsive" drunk person to actually DIE of alcohol poisoning?
- consoneo, on 08/28/2008, -0/+10I'd call it suicide... Honestly. Homicide is clearly the wrong charge in this case due to the fact that Homicide is defined as "The killing of one person by another." She did not kill him, she helped him in the wrong way due to incompetence. Had she given him the alcohol and done this, then it would be Homicide.
This might, however, be a good example of Darwin's studies in action. - npsken, on 08/28/2008, -3/+13Your title and description *are* raping my brain.
/fixed - strictnein, on 08/28/2008, -0/+10Holy ***** you suck at spamming.
- haikuFU, on 08/28/2008, -0/+6I don't know how they expect people with no medical training to know this is bad. I mean, most of us here probably know that you can die from too much alcohol, but I would venture to guess that a significant portion of the population has no idea.
Basically, the judge/jury ruled that she is guilty because she was ignorant. The problem is, this isn't something you're required to know. The only way you would know it, is if you gained that info through school or training for a job, or word of mouth. And I don't know how you can charge someone and rely on the fact that they should have known something due to word of mouth.
And as for helping someone in need.... don't. People have been sued for everything they have because they tried CPR on a dying stranger who died anyway. It's not worth the risk. - gtbarnes, on 08/28/2008, -0/+6I don't mean to bring religion into the mix, but if she was LDS, she probably didn't know much about alcohol to begin with. Granted, just because she lives in Utah doesn't mean she's LDS. But Mormons tend to go to great lengths to distance themselves from alcohol, and there's a good chance she'd never even been around someone drunk before, especially if she's lived in the state her entire life.
Source: I'm an ex-Mormon. - belebih, on 08/28/2008, -0/+6Maybe I'm missing something but neither the Fox article nor the linked Salt Lake Tribune mention if she had any relation to the kid. I mean, why was she called to help? Does she know them in any way (family, friend)? Or was she just some random stranger passing by or something who was asked to help? Just seems kinda strange.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure most people would've simply said no to helping the kids in order to avoid just this sort of thing. She should be thanked for offering to help, even if her judgment was off, not charged with homicide. And then people wonder why most folks just look the other way instead of stepping in to help strangers in trouble. - Foureyedave, on 08/28/2008, -1/+6Though this article seems pretty objective, it is extremely uninformative and horribly written.
- Mattwdj, on 08/28/2008, -8/+13I dont know about homicide but she should definitely be charged mby with a lesser crime. She is supposed to be a responsible adult, if some one has alcohol poisoning and isnt responsive, call 911. He would still be alive and no one would have gotten in trouble. Just a bad call on her part, most likely trying to be cool and impress these kids by not calling 911.
- inactive, on 08/28/2008, -0/+5I just hate to break this to you but if someone is brain dead really all that is left to do is appease the living which i could really be any thing and it would not be inhuman maybe a little odd at times but not inhuman. Except if the family said thy did not want to donate the organs that is definitely inhumane.
- GeorgeWKush, on 08/28/2008, -0/+4Did you read the article? She merely picked up a kid from a party. She never bought them alcohol or even drank with them. She never promoted drinking in any way.
- MWeather, on 08/28/2008, -0/+4She wouldn't have starved to death if it were legal to kill her humanely.
- haikuFU, on 08/28/2008, -0/+4I just draw an arrow pointing at their mouth and write "Insert penis here."
- inactive, on 08/28/2008, -1/+5And with the wonders of the internet, here is her myspace: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=us ...
- inactive, on 08/28/2008, -0/+4I am pretty sure being brain dead and in a coma are two different things take a look at the to clearer things up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_death
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comatose - goffy59, on 08/28/2008, -4/+8***** Utah and the Mormons!
- radu79, on 08/28/2008, -1/+4Why take them to the hospital? So that the police will know about it, and ***** up his life and the lives of those that gave him to drink?
Oh well, I guess I'll never even touch a person that needs help, the most I'll ever do is call 911. Too dangerous to try to do a good thing. - inactive, on 08/28/2008, -0/+3"A fair number of University students die every year from binge drinking"
When they compile such statistics, they are including every death where it is determined that "alcohol was a FACTOR." See the qualifying word there? That's different from alcohol poisoning-related mortality.
According to one statistics from the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, the average number of alcohol poison deaths per year is 317.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15301405
That's right 317. That means as a resident of the US, your odds of dying this way are literally one in a million. Even compared to how many people are out there binge drinking per year, this is still statistically insignificant.
"On a side note, it's cool that you put 420 in your name so we all know how cool you are because you smoke pot"
On a side note, ad hominem attacks are the last refuge of those unable to formulate an argument that stands on its own merits. Am I 12? No, I am older than you. And wiser. Eat a dick. - SugarCoatedSalt, on 08/28/2008, -6/+8hatu=Hate you
- diggopolous, on 08/28/2008, -0/+2No, I'm much better thank you.....hey...Do you happen to have a buck to spare?
- madeingermany, on 08/28/2008, -0/+2Oh, I readily admit I don't understand.
She was brain dead for a long time and husband said that's enough, let's take her off.
Most of what happened after that is a total mystery to me. - bitterbug, on 08/28/2008, -0/+2Everyone should be aware that if you can't rouse someone who is intoxicated they need to go to a hospital... but in reality it's a surprise to a lot of people. Instead of educating kids about dangers of things, the approach is to scream "No! It's wrong! Don't do it!" and hope they listen. Sure, telling them the various dangers of booze or other drugs probably won't stop them, but when things go wrong it's going to give them a better chance at helping each other.
On another note, why does this woman get charged with homicide when I see at least half a dozen stories a year about (American) hunters who shoot and kill their neighbors, while the police and community bemoan the "tragic accident that was no ones fault". Try shooting your neighbor after not verifying your hunting target in Canada and enjoy your nice prison stay. - brainflakes, on 08/28/2008, -0/+22nd degree murder? What a stupid charge, neglect or possibly manslaughter maybe, but murder because you put a drunk 14 year old to bed rather then rush them to hospital??
- SeanCallan, on 08/28/2008, -0/+2I think you all are failing to understand the word "unresponsive." Passed out drunk is one thing, but if I kick a passed out drunk, they'll at least moan or move at least a little. Unresponsive means that NOTHING happens. When NOTHING happens despite your attempts to wake someone, it has become much more than "passed out drunk."
- SeanCallan, on 08/28/2008, -0/+1Or are you?!
- TapTapper, on 08/29/2008, -0/+11ST HINT: passed out cold from alcohol and completely unresponsive = hospital visit.
2nd HINT: passed out cold from ANYTHING and completely unresponsive = hospital visit.
3RD HINT: in general, COMPELTELY UNRESPONSIVE FOR ANY REASON = HOSPITAL VISIT - imnojezus, on 08/28/2008, -0/+1Passed out = unconscious. It's not sleeping... you lose time, you don't dream, you are out cold.
Please don't try to be an expert on something you've never experienced. - passedoutghost, on 08/28/2008, -1/+2The law is ***** up I know. If you take a person away from a situation where they could possibly have received competent help you can be prosecuted for manslaughter in Australia. If she had left him there, instead of taking him back to her home 13 miles away then she would not have been responsible. If a person is unresponsive, the sensible thing to do would be is to take them to hospital rather than take them back to your place.
I understand that she was trying to help, but her help resulted in his death. -
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