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- austin006, on 05/29/2008, -3/+14as a stockbroker, with the plummeting value of the dollar, i've been finding myself turning to most any form of alcohol in the past few months..
- tomjm5000, on 05/29/2008, -0/+10As an American who's been in France since January, I can say that not only is the wine great, it's remarkably cheap. I have no doubt more people would be drinking wine in the united states if you could get a good bottle for 4 dollars.
- borez, on 05/29/2008, -4/+12"Top Ten French wines"?
Bit of a misleading title isn't it , I can't find one bottle of Grand Cru appellation first growth wine on that list. - petemorley, on 05/29/2008, -0/+8Nice to see the Châteauneuf-du-Pape region getting a mention.
Oddbins carry a nice Loire Valley Rose, Rose d'Anjou. Which is worth checking out. - inactive, on 05/29/2008, -0/+8Wow you're pretty hardcore man. We should like totally hang out
- drgreenberg, on 05/29/2008, -0/+8Poor choice of title, conceptually. The idea that wines that be rigidly ranked and that wines higher on someone's list (even by a few points) should be favored over lower-ranked wines has not served the industry or wine drinkers well. Not only has it led to many vintners changing their wines to suit the tastes of particular reviewers, but it's also distracted newcomers from realizing that part of the enjoyment of wine is that it's an agricultural product with all sorts of variability by varietal, by region, by vineyard, by vintner and even batch to batch. That's part of its charm, as is the fact that everyone has different tastes. Contrary to popular lore, when someone pays a decent amount of money for a bottle (assuming it's for drinking and not merely as an investment decision), the reason isn't typically because they expect that wine to be objectively better than all less expensive wines. Rather, the money pays for the opportunity to try an interesting wine that is produced only in smaller quantities compared with demand (and, in turn, enables that small vintner to stay in business). A better title for this article would have been "10 wines I enjoy and that you may, too"
- jonthefisherman, on 05/29/2008, -0/+7***** i hate douche bags like you
- solistus, on 05/29/2008, -0/+7Real men don't feel the need to flaunt their manliness through choice of beverage.
- solistus, on 05/29/2008, -0/+71. What the ***** does 9/11 have to do with French wine? Are you one of those freedom fries *****? If so, you forgot what stupid ***** you're supposed to be angry about: the motivation for that was France's opposition to Iraq, a year and a half later. I apologise if that's not what you were talking about, but I'm fairly confident that there's not one explanation of what you said that makes any sense, unless the reference to 9/11 was solely to establish how long it's been since you drank French wine, in which case it's just bad writing.
2. If you know the first thing about wine you know that it's absolutely ridiculous to declare that an entire region's wine is categorically inferior to that of another region. - inactive, on 05/29/2008, -1/+6Parralèle 45 is amazing and not too expensive (côte-du-Rhone), 2006 is the best.
Another great côte-du-rhone is the 2006 Rasteau from Ortas. - inactive, on 05/29/2008, -0/+515$ commercial wines you asshat.
And I just named two wines I like.
And you would be a perfect example of a social parasite. You serve absolutely no purpose other than to try to diminish other people because you always feel like an inferior. You're a waste of skin and bones, you know nothing of anything, yet you insist on taking part in conversation that don't concern you to try and insult people for absolutely no other reason than to make you feel better about being a completely insignificant ***** faced inbred ***** that is doomed to be a mediocre piece of ***** for the rest of his life.
You're the C average of humanity and it pisses you off. - pvincent, on 05/29/2008, -0/+5I can only agree with you!
I'm french but living in Ireland, and it's unbelievable to see some poor quality wine from Chile or Australia for 10€ (about 15$)... I was back to France few weeks ago and got back some really nice wine for 3 to 5€ a bottle!
The price of Champagne is also amazing back there, 12 to 15€ for a nice bottle (and I mean real Champagne, not sparkling wine!)... no chance at all to find that in the UK!
I don't know where all those prices come from, are they taxes raised by France to other countries or taxes raised by the UK on all alcohol drinks... but it's a shame that the french wine is so much expensive over there (and as I can read from you, in the US as well). - andrewsavage, on 05/29/2008, -0/+4JAGER BOMBS!!111
- cdigioia, on 05/29/2008, -0/+4That's an underused line...
- lnf69, on 05/29/2008, -0/+4You can get good bottles of wine for that price in the USA. They are most probably domestic (Californian). Trader Joe's always has a good selection. (or used to anyway).
- Flamancot, on 05/29/2008, -0/+4Apparently. Two comments in one hour both beginning with "*****" and going noplace important from there. Thanks for the update there buddy, I probably wouldn't have been able to enjoy this article as much if I didn't have such a good idea of how much wine bothers you. Speaking of which, you might want to see a therapist - this kind of unreasonable rage toward a type of alcohol could point to some deeper psychological issues needing to be worked out. Did somebody force their Pinot on you when you were little? Seek help.
- thewidowmaker, on 05/29/2008, -0/+3Do we look like your bitch.?!
- inactive, on 05/29/2008, -0/+3Jewish wine? Isn't that water?
- JohnnyXmas, on 05/29/2008, -0/+3My Top French Whine:
"But I am le tired!" - inactive, on 05/29/2008, -0/+3Ah kosher that's it sorry. Its the arabs who dont drink alcohol.
I had a bottle of kosher czech plum vodka once. holy moley!
what's yiddish for "my f**king head!!!"? - jebudas, on 05/29/2008, -0/+3I have had about 20 different French wines from Minervois (Languedoc) and they have all been good... for about 4 Euro each!
- solistus, on 05/29/2008, -0/+3Right, because noticing that different wines taste different makes you a wine snob.
- ahhell, on 05/29/2008, -3/+6I thought it said "French Wives".
Now I'm a sad panda. - solistus, on 05/29/2008, -0/+3No.
- inactive, on 05/29/2008, -2/+4To invest in or drink?
- lnf69, on 05/29/2008, -0/+2Never heard of Manischewitz? No where in the Jewish religion is there a ban on alcohol. FYI. Just needs to be kosher.
- lnf69, on 05/29/2008, -0/+2"Oy Vey!!! My farkakt kop!"
- FairDinkumMate, on 05/29/2008, -1/+3Oh come on pvincent - Open your eyes!
Of course you can get poor quality Australian or Chilean wine, but it's hardly the norm. French wine on the other hand can be outstanding, but it is reknowned for its lack of consistency. So unless you have a bottle shop handy that allows you to taste each wine before you buy it, then for most people it either means buying a brand you know or buying from a new world maker where the quality & consistency of the table wine available far outshines that of the Fench. Ask yourself this, if French winemakers were doing everything right, how did the new world winemakers ever even get into the market?
And Sparkling Wine - PLEASE! Just because you guys convinced some market authorities that Champagne should be named after the soil it was grown in rather than the method it was made by doesn't make the quality any different. YES, the French champagne houses make undoubtedly the best premium champagne in the world - no question. But for affordable, quality everyday drinking sparkling, give me Californian, Australian or New Zealand any day.
@TheBogie - The French wine industry is currently showing signs of making a HUGE comeback. They have recruited many new world winemakers to introduce the modern winemaking(not growing) methods that are the hallmark of new world wines consistency & have some of the best terroir & vines in the world. They've never left the top of the market, but look at for them to take a much bigger share of the global table wine market in coming years. - tallulahvulture, on 05/29/2008, -0/+2laurent perrier rose champagne shouldnt really be on that list
as wonderful as it is - lnf69, on 05/29/2008, -0/+2Ah yea! and the Beatles are getting back together real soon!
- manuelflury, on 05/29/2008, -0/+2Where in France can you find a good bottle for 4 dollars ? Even for 4 euros, I would be interrested to know ... It's more starting from 7 € that you can have good wine in my opinion, even if in fact it really depends of your own taste :-)
- shutaro, on 05/29/2008, -0/+2I need to get that on a t-shirt... "My entire region's wine is categorically superior to your entire region's wine"
- thewidowmaker, on 05/29/2008, -1/+3meh...digg me down then, i thought Sideways was a good movie.
- rjpaulisick, on 05/29/2008, -0/+2Damn, I hate it when they start top ten lists with number one.
- MephistoX, on 05/29/2008, -0/+1I find myself going to Costco and buying more cheap wine than ever. It's really hard for me to justify $50 and upwards for a quality vintage when that's currently what it takes to fill 3/4 of my tank ('07 Pontiac Grand Prix GT).
However, there is good taste in cheap wines... Look for South American wines - I prefer Chilean and Argentinian - and you won't be disappointed with them. They're strong, and full, unlike many American wines these days. French wine is still better, I think, but if I can get a satisfying wine for $4.99 instead of $49.99, I'd call it an acceptable loss - ZutroyZuuts, on 05/29/2008, -2/+3I'd like to contest the accuracy of this article.
Trader Joe's has a Bourgogne Pinot Noir for $6.99. Far from being one of France's top wines, I would suggest instead that it has more similarity to France's top anti-freezes. This was quite simply one of the worst wines I have ever tasted! It has nothing in common with a Pinot. It tastes much more like a Shiraz, but with extra car battery acid added for the hell of it. If you really want to give this wine a sample, I would do it side by side with Charles Shaw's $1.99 Shiraz. They taste very simillar, but the cheaper California wine has a distinctly superior taste.
Of course, I could just have got a bad bottle, but I'm not willing to risk buying another Bourgogne Pinot to find out. - solistus, on 05/29/2008, -0/+1Heh. At least your stupid posts are funny :
You knew what I meant by my second comment. I meant regions that ***** produce wine. The point is, the difference between types and vineyards of wine within a region are WAY more significant than the region. I guarantee you there are some Californian wines that taste like ass compared to some French wines. People who boycott a nationality of beverage are stupid. Like you. You are stupid.
You're still either intentionally misrepresenting my point, or you're far more stupid than I had realised and you still don't get it. I'm not arguing that French wines are categorically better; I'm arguing that it's stupid to judge a wine solely by the region it comes from. You answered my claim that something you did was stupid by doing it again. Stupid.
The amount sold is due to the amount produced. In both cases, most of the existing supply is purchased quickly. And again, I guarantee there are some French wines that outsell some Californian wines. Ditto in regards to their ratings by 'experts.' That 'whoosh' sound you heard while posting was my entire point going over your head.
Oddly enough, most people do not post things on public discussion sites like a Digg comment thread and then take offence to people trying to make sense of them. If I have to know you personally to understand what the hell your comment means, then it was a bad comment. If your hypothetical is true, you have yet again gone above and beyond my expectations regarding your stupidity. Why would you say you don't drink *French* wine and then proceed to name two regions of wine you prefer if you meant you had stopped drinking wine altogether? Here in the real world, rather than assuming everything people say has some deep hidden meaning that they didn't bothr to ***** mention at all, we use context to interpret the words people DO choose to express. If you're going to reply and defend your stupid comment, at least ***** defend it. Don't respond just to spin out some elaborate ***** and distance yourself from everything you said before that lead to my criticism and pretend that you are debunking my criticism.
Did I mention that I don't think you're very bright? - flibuste, on 05/29/2008, -0/+1Buried for innacurate title, which should read "My 10 preferred wine although I know pretty much nothing about wine".
Also buried because that top 10 list sucks. The first ones don't even mention where they've been produced, which means it is usually a mix of different producers, which also denotes a lesser quality. For the rest, the choice looks just poor.
Best french wines are of MUCH better quality than this list, and the price is also MUCH higher than a few pounds at Marks and Spencer. - JQP123, on 05/29/2008, -0/+1http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Wine_Tasting_of ...
http://www.littlehorsewinery.com/pearmund.htm - flibuste, on 05/29/2008, -0/+1"Bourgogne Pinot" doesn't denote a wine by itself, but a kind of grape. This is a common misconception among wine: the grape defines the wine.
No, the place AND the grape defines a wine. And when I say place I mean "producer" because there is a difference between wines of the same region (as "Bourgogne"). The difference is sometimes so that depending on which side of a hill the grapes are grown, the name and classification of the wine can change. So does the taste.
I encourage you to choose different Bourgogne...use the name of the producers as references, not the grape...You will probably find a few ones that you like. - HanSolo69, on 05/29/2008, -0/+1Mais je suis tres sommeil!
- shutaro, on 05/29/2008, -0/+1MRRRA AAAAHHH!!! The French!
- inactive, on 05/29/2008, -0/+1Well the Rasteau 2006 got 88 points from Wine spectator.
For 14$ Canadian, that's really good.
But you're right about the parallele, other years really had nothing special. - ronalton, on 05/30/2008, -0/+1Forget French wines. California wines are better.
- DCGUY12, on 05/29/2008, -0/+1Not obscure, and really not that good, at least their 99-03's I've tasted.
Maybe they've had a good year, but it is "table wine" in my opinion, and not "amazing" in my opinion, but that's just my opinion. - shutaro, on 05/29/2008, -0/+1But everyone knows that you're defined as a human being by your choice of beverage! ... I think it's in the Constitution... Or maybe the Bible... I dunno... But it's there!
- musntSurfatWork, on 05/29/2008, -0/+0Australian: Shiraz Bin 555, $17.50 CAD, awesome.
Digg for having a nice cultural headline on Digg for a change. Not this puppetry propaganda that is consuming all you americans like sheep. - Mikenewcastle, on 05/31/2008, -0/+0I dont have anything against french wines, but i have recently started to enjoy Italian wines and i find them very interesting, plenty of wines and styles to choose from, and i discovered a site which features Italian wines made by small Italian producers that offers good value for money, better than any supermarket i used to buy from (http://www.italyabroad.com/)
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