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- dzneill, on 07/09/2009, -0/+27In Oklahoma it's illegal for a liquor store to keep anything cold.... including beer. And in Oklahoma any beer over 3.2% has to be sold in a liquor store.
It gets pretty ***** annoying. - insomniac247, on 07/10/2009, -0/+24I live in a base town in GA and can't buy alcohol on Sunday anywhere, a nearby city lets bars/restraints sell up to midnight but they have to get 60% of there income on Sunday from food. I have bought lots of beer "sandwiches" on Sunday.
Blue Laws are against separation of church and state and is what were telling other countries not to do. - tinkafoo, on 07/10/2009, -0/+24And all liquor stores must close after 9pm, and cannot be open on Sunday. (The Sunday thing also applies to car dealerships for some reason.)
"Pretty ***** annoying" is just scratching the surface. - leesean, on 07/10/2009, -1/+23I miss living in Japan, where you can buy alcohol 24/7 in convenience stores, even in the most rural of areas. And no open container laws either, great for boozy picnics.
- Bloodwine, on 07/10/2009, -0/+19I live in a dry county in Arkansas. Our restaurants have to reclassify themselves as private clubs in order to even attempt to get a liquor license. No matter what, though, the Baptists are out in full force in terms of opposition and protesting each and every time a restaurant approachs the ABC (Alcoholic Beverage Control board) board about acquiring a liquor license.
The few restaurants that get their license have to charge a yearly membership fee for all patrons (drinkers and non-drinkers alike) because they have to operate as a private club. Also, they have to build a separate entrance and eating area for the drinkers. So if you want a drink with your meal, you have to go in to a separate doorway that is walled off from the rest of the establishment. It's basically segregation of drinkers and non-drinkers.
I wish Arkansas would just go wet state-wide and bitchslap these dry counties upside their heads. My county hasn't voted on dry vs. wet since the 1970's, and the Baptists have been successful at keeping it off the agenda each and every year.
I hear all the same, tired excuses:
1. drunk drivers will kill children, so we need to keep banning liquor
2. we'll have liquor stores on every corner, and we'll turn into crime-ridden ***** of depravity
Neither will come to pass, but it's a tough fight in this state.
Also, no establishments can sell liquor on Sundays, no matter the dry vs. wet status of the county. It's a state-wide ban. - jammyfred, on 07/10/2009, -3/+17Any person over the age of 18 should be able to buy any type of beer, spirit or alcoholic beverage in any shape, form or place they choose to. Children as young as 15 or 16 should arguably be allowed to purchase beers, ciders, wine etc in certain circumstances. And parents should have the sole responsibility of policing of if when & how children drink in their own homes. The US alcohol laws seem simply retarded.
- alamedaman, on 07/10/2009, -2/+15prohibition: didn't work then, not working now for drugs.
- sinurgy, on 07/10/2009, -3/+16In Arizona, if you're pulled over driving with a .08 you get 30 days in tent city (huge outdoor jail with tents for those not from around here), over $10k in fines and are required to have one of those breath analyzer ignition locks installed on your car which you then have to pay a monthly cost to maintain. This is the MINIMUM you can get. It can be your first time, you could've been driving fine but had a tail light out, it doesn't matter, that is the minimum sentence. Talk about taking a hammer to a fly!
Oh and guess what, while it's screwed over a lot of people it hasn't changed the amount of alcohol related fatalities at all. - cheddaro, on 07/10/2009, -0/+13"Oh and guess what, while it's screwed over a lot of people it hasn't changed the amount of alcohol related fatalities at all."
Haha, but think of all of that delicious money! - SpykerSpeed, on 07/10/2009, -0/+13Quirky? More like "dumbass".
- Nesh, on 07/09/2009, -0/+10Indiana has some pretty stupid Blue Laws as well: No carry-out sales on Sunday, but bars and restaurants can still sell alcohol to consume on-site. Grocery stores used to not be allowed to sell liquor, only beer and wine, but that changed very recently. The only places allowed to sell cold beer for carry-out are liquor stores; convenience stores and grocery stores have to sell it warm, again, not allowed on Sundays. Liquor stores are not allowed to sell cold carbonated drinks inside the store; most have machines outside the door for that.
- NikoKun, on 07/10/2009, -0/+10I agree...
There is NO logic to a law that says you can't buy beer on a Sunday morning. None at all, other than religious bullcrap.
And I don't subscribe to that religion, So why do I still have to abide by those religious laws? - DarthVolta, on 07/10/2009, -0/+10Same deal in Minnesota. Beer sold in a super market or a gas station is 3.2%. And liquor stores are only open until 8PM during the week, and until 10PM on Friday and Saturday.
- nepidae, on 07/10/2009, -4/+14"Why can't we all be one nation under God and do what everybody else does?"
Why can't we all be one nation not forced to believe in one of many benevolent or malevolent gods? - Gerbil_Juice, on 07/10/2009, -3/+12The justice system isn't there for you to get your jollies. Punishments should fit the crime.
- NikoKun, on 07/10/2009, -0/+8Unfortunately, many of these laws were created by religious moralists... Even though we have freedom of religion, if we want to drink beer, we have to abide by religious regulations on it. -_-
What a load of crap... beyond laws regarding age of sale, and responsibility of users, anything more shouldn't exist... Because anything more should be left up to the freedom of sellers and buyers.
There is NO logic to a law that says you can't buy beer on Sunday morning. None at all, other than religious bullcrap. - suprememilo, on 07/10/2009, -0/+8In Texas not being able to buy Liquor at a Liquor store past 9 is stupid when you can go get equally as drunk at a bar. I blame the restaurant/bar lobby. (there has to be one)
- skyrunner30, on 07/10/2009, -0/+8At least when kids go to collage, they would already know the effect of alcohol. It would not be this all forbidden substance that students go way to far, and kill themselves by drinking too much.
When I was 15 years old in Ireland, I asked a family that I was staying with for a coke, and she replied "let me get you a proper drink". Yes, they do drink a lot in Ireland, but they are more responsible with their beer consumption habits. - Cepster, on 07/10/2009, -0/+8Nope, most booze laws are because of the Jesus.
- Jektal, on 07/10/2009, -0/+7Actually, in this case I think it's all about Sky Wizards.
- jammyfred, on 07/10/2009, -1/+8Just spend your money on hookers and blow instead, much easier to get hold of.
- cheddaro, on 07/10/2009, -3/+10Little known fact: The "3.2" beer they sell in those states, and here in Colorado, is actually 3.2% by weight, which comes out to 4.0% by volume, which is how most beer is measured.
4% is actually pretty standard stuff. Bud Light, America's #1 selling beer (for better or worse) is 4.2%.
So, when people are griping about 3.2 beer and how you "gotta drink like 50 to get a buzz", they're really talking out their ass. Because chances are they'd just be drinking some beer between 4-5% anyway.
The more you know... and all that. - yourthreshold, on 07/09/2009, -0/+6In NH everything other than beer or wine is sold in state liquor stores, which have fewer locations and less open hours than they would if it was all privately run and set up. The blue laws also forbid any alcohol sales in stores between 1145 PM and 6 AM although bars can still sell until the mandatory bar closing time of 2 AM.
- hokeywhiteboy, on 07/10/2009, -1/+7I just came back from a trip to NZ... it is astounding there... you can get alcohol EVERYWHERE, and if the place is open, the booze is for sale. Convenience stores, petrol stations, everywhere.
It gets on your nerves in the end, as every shop has at least 1/2 of the space dedicated to grog so they don;t carry a wide range of other goods. - DeskFlyer, on 07/09/2009, -0/+5You can't purchase alcohol after 9pm here in Milwaukee (unless you're at a bar).
- rhoonah, on 07/10/2009, -0/+5the rationale is that a 15 yo has a greater chance of being friends with an 18 yo than they do of being friends with a 21 yo. The 18 yo will buy under age kids booze, etc. I think that logic is completely moronic but it is indeed the mentality of some small-minded people who have no problem infringing on the rights of others.
I have always thought that it was crazy that you could be drafted, handed a gun and then die in a foreign land but you can't get a brew with your buddies on a return trip home. - NikoKun, on 07/10/2009, -0/+5LOL, When I was in Japan years ago... Getting beer was as easy as walking down to the end of the hotel hallway, and buying it out of the beer vending machine there. Not sure how it is now, but when I was there, no ID was required, and I was only 18 at the time. lol
- TheChauvinist, on 07/10/2009, -0/+5I live in California and we can do anything we want re alcohol, as far as I know. Move West, my son.
- NikoKun, on 07/10/2009, -0/+5Personally I feel the "no sale on sundays" law should be constitutionally challenged, every chance we get.
There is NO justification for such a law, no reasoning, beyond the religious reasoning. Something along the lines of 'we have church on sundays, so no alcohol for you'.
In America we have freedom of religion, and I do not subscribe to any religion which says I can't buy/drink alcohol on Sundays... So why must I be subject to such ***** religious laws? Why should someone else's religious laws apply to me? How is that religious freedom?
This is not freedom. - STPZ, on 07/10/2009, -0/+4Thinking about it you're right, why else would the system encourage ppl to drink out away from home certainly not to prevent drunk drive instances thats for sure
- PABTrees, on 07/10/2009, -0/+4In Kentucky all of the laws are pretty much left up to the counties. In some places you can buy cold beer and a bottle of liquor at 10pm on a Sunday, in other places you're not even allowed to be in possession of alcohol. Considering how backwards it is in some parts of the state, I would expect to see more weird rules (like in West Virginia where you can advertise beer prices but not brands) here.
- shredswithpiks, on 07/10/2009, -0/+4Some states (like Colorado) actually do allow for parents to police when and how children drink in their own homes. It was a shock when I found that out. I think this is a good law.
I agree that the drinking age should be lowered to 18. I don't understand any rational that would prevent a legal adult from putting a legal substance into his or her body. - ventg4fun, on 07/10/2009, -0/+4They should just eliminate ALL quirky liquor laws nationwide, and state governments (those with ABC stores) should get OUT of the liquor sales business. MD also has some weird-ass liquor laws. Very few grocery stores/convenience stores can sell beer/wine because it's a law that each individual company can only have a maximum of ONE liquor license per county, and none can sell spirits (we have ABC stores for that, all of which are closed on Sun). MD also has liquor stores just for beer/wine.
- Jektal, on 07/10/2009, -0/+4FTFA: "In states like Pennsylvania and Idaho, "spirits" can only be sold in stores controlled by Alcoholic Beverage Control agencies, colloquially known as ABC stores or Aunt Betty's Cupboard."
Maybe in Idaho there's this Cupboard nonsense, but I've never heard that in PA. All liquor is sold by the Pennsylvania Liquor Control Board, which does have the advantage of buying in bulk (the PLCB is like the 2nd or 3rd largest alcohol buyer in the world). Everyone refers to the stores as either the PLCB, or just the State Store.
And to expand on PA's idiotic alcohol laws:
The PLCB sells liquor and wine (although they only have a monopoly on liquor sales...)
Beer, malt beverages, and the like are sold at 6-pack stores (where you can only carry out a certain ounce limit at a time, roughly equivalent to 1 12-pack of beer). Beer is also sold at separate Distributors, where you can (only) buy it by the case. There are drive-through beer distributors (you never have to get out of the car). However, anywhere that sells gasoline is prohibited from selling beer (with the one exception of a single Sheetz), and grocery stores are prohibited too.
Wine can be sold by anyone virtually anywhere, so long as it is a dedicated wine store (there are shops in our shopping malls for Wine).
And finally, it's illegal to have any alcohol shipped into the state. - MaskedSlacker, on 07/10/2009, -0/+4Hot women don't drink at home alone anyway. Only alcoholic misanthropic hermits (like myself) do.
- shredswithpiks, on 07/10/2009, -0/+3Yeah, over in Colorado we have the same thing about anything above 3.2% has to be sold from a liquor store. We did, however, recently get rid of the no alcohol sales on a Sunday thing. Most of the liquor store owners I know are pissed about it, though, since everyone is so used to not purchasing on Sundays that they don't make any money of the deal anyway.
That warm liquor only law is pretty ridiculous, though. - nepidae, on 07/10/2009, -0/+3At least make it legal for those under the purchasing age to be able to drink legally under parental/guardian's watch.
- ZeNiTH456, on 07/10/2009, -0/+3Where do you live? It's been like that pretty much everywhere I've lived in the US.
- skyrunner30, on 07/10/2009, -0/+3I Can't buy beer in Minnesota on a Sunday....and it sucks when you don't plan ahead. Many people here will drive to Wisconsin just to get beer on a Sunday.
I was in Florida last winter, and bought single bottles of beer that were floating in ice baths....at a gas station. Does this mean you drink it outside the store, or in the car? I could not figure it out, so I bought 2 bottles. - zip000, on 07/10/2009, -0/+3I find it very frustrating whenever I want a beer and realize I'm out and it's Sunday. Where I live, I can go to a restaurant and get alcohol on Sundays, but I don't want to spend the price of a six pack of beer on one beer.
- freshyill, on 07/10/2009, -0/+3They let Pennsylvania off the hook too easily. Let me give you a quick primer on Pa. laws:
1. Bars can sell you beer to go -- at bar prices, but you pay it because you often don't have any other option (and not all bars do this at all).
2. There are six-pack shops. They sell 40s, 12 packs, etc. too. BUT these places have to let you consume it there, which nobody does.
3. The six pack shops can only sell 192 ounces at a time. So that rules out 24- and 30-packs.
4. If you want more than 192 ounces, you have to take what you've already bought off of their property. Sometimes they enforce this, sometimes now. This sometimes means letting what you've already bought sit out on the sidewalk.
5. For kegs, 24- and 30-packs, you have to go to a beer distributor. They usually have ***** hours. As of a few years ago, they're finally allowed to be open on Sundays.
6. If you want liquor, you have to go to a state store. This includes Night Train, MD 20|20, wine, etc. Contrary to what the article says, they're not called ABC stores in Pa. (although I live in North Carolina and they are called that here). In Pa. they're all called Wine & Spirits (they used to be called state stores back in the day).
7. State stores don't sell beer. Only wine and spirits.
8. Vineyards are allowed to have outlet stores to sell wine, but they're not terribly common.
9. Bars close at 2. This isn't that much of a problem until you live somewhere that they're open until 3 or 4.
10. There are a few Wegmans grocery stores that sell beer now. They're able to be grouped in with the six-pack shops by selling it in their food court areas.
11. It's a huge ***** pain in the ass. - mbelrose, on 07/10/2009, -0/+3Ironic, since election day is what usually drives us to drink.
- minnecrapolis, on 07/10/2009, -0/+3Well, to be fair, liquor stores in MN CAN stay open until 10 on weekdays now. Just that many do not since the trade off in cost vs profit isn't worth it.
The whole 3.2% thing bugs me though. So when the liquor stores are closed on Sunday I just do crack or meth or huff paint on those days.
Take that Minnesota! You make me smoke crack and meth and huff paint! - cheddaro, on 07/10/2009, -0/+3@DarthVolta: Check out the Wikipedia article on the subject:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-alcohol_beer#Low- ...
"Low-point beer, which is often called “three-two beer” or “3 point 2 brew,” is beer that contains 3.2% alcohol by weight (equivalent to 4% ABV)."
And to think, I spent 2 years of my life working in gas stations listening to everyone bitch and moan about "3-2 beer", when it's basically the same damn thing. - chriscim, on 07/10/2009, -0/+3Ugh, PA has some of the most ridiculous alcohol laws.
- TheEngineer2008, on 07/10/2009, -0/+3The beer vending machines are handy as well.
- headzoo, on 07/11/2009, -0/+3Yeah, when I first moved here, I couldn't understand the concept of buying a 12 pack, walking out of the store, coming back in, and backing another 12 pack. That has to be the dumbest law, because it doesn't stop anyone from buying more than a 12 pack. It just makes you do a little more walking.
- gr3yskull, on 07/10/2009, -0/+3I think 18 is a good age to allow alcohol consumption. If you old enough to serve in the military and die for your country you should be allowed to have a cold one.
- macslut, on 07/10/2009, -0/+3Sorry, but even in California our liquor laws are totally *****.
Try getting a beer/wine license if one of your neighbors just doesn't like you.
Try even getting a full alcohol license.
Last calls are at 1:30am...quick, everyone drink up as much as you can as fast as you can...and then get the ***** out of here (and on the road).
If you have a truck driver's license, the limit is .04 instead of .08, but that's even when you are just driving your car.
No open or used containers, even if you haven't been drinking (you could be ***** for just collecting trash or taking a bottle home to be consumed later).
Then there are all kinds of bizarre laws regarding what clubs and bars can do and how their businesses can be ruined for weird meaningless *****.
The only law that I could see making sense would be:
Don't drive, boat, fly, or engage in any activity that may kill someone while drunk.
And maybe...something along the lines of requires places that serve alcohol to remain open serving non-alcohol and food for at least 1 hour after last call. - zip000, on 07/10/2009, -0/+3I'm in GA as well. It's interesting to see other people talking about their blue laws - I thought GA was pretty bad, but it sounds like there are plenty worse laws out there.
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