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- sarafina42, on 07/09/2009, -6/+26San Fran is so progressive! They have one of the highest waste diversion rates in the country, a city-wide composting program and now this. Unbelievable.
- enantiodromia, on 07/10/2009, -2/+17can't wait to see how supporting your local farmer and saving gasoline at the same time will be spun into "some stupid hippy BS".
- illied, on 07/10/2009, -1/+14Probably a good idea, but is it really necessary that all food bought for homeless shelters be locally grown? I imagine that people who provide services for the homeless are always in a state of financial pressure. Adding conditions and costs to food might make it more difficult to provide the service. Unless they can source locally grown food that's actually cheaper.
- novenator, on 07/09/2009, -6/+19Good. Keeping things local is better for local growers, the local economy, everyones health, and environment.
- gjokkel, on 07/10/2009, -0/+10Dear Fairness,
FYI: Not a single drop of water (besides rain, of course) in the SF Bay Area is imported from outside California. - enantiodromia, on 07/10/2009, -0/+9hey "Aryan" Angel,
you realize the actual Aryans were from Iran, right? that sort of makes you a wannabe Persian, lol.
keep aimin' for the stars! - primatage, on 07/10/2009, -1/+8...where are you from?
- zephc, on 07/10/2009, -0/+6Yeah, those lazy kids in kindergarten should get a ***** job!
What are you, brain dead? This isn't just for the homeless shelters, this is for city meetings, and pretty anything that is already gov't run - i.e. any cafeteria etc. at which city gov't employees eat.
And while it will cost more, it puts the money back into local area growers, and I hardly call it "big government" - in fact, I applaud local solutions for things instead of those coming from the federal government, who really *can't* manage projects well, and who is too far removed from the issue anyway. - jaytek13, on 07/10/2009, -0/+6Woo! We applaud Chipotle for doing it, we should applaud this governor. Although I don't get the "carrot on a stick" statement.
In any event, it's all good and well but if they really want to save their city, they need to get their housing costs down. Yes, a lot of people want to live there, but some/most of us are smart enough to not want to pay 1/2 million for a house when the average wage in SF is like $55k/year, if that. SF has the NY mentality on housing without the NY millionaires who can afford it. - zijoud, on 07/10/2009, -0/+5Awesome.
- zephc, on 07/10/2009, -1/+6"Anyway I think this is just an act of Big Government..."
No, this is for city-purchased food, i.e. for things the gov't already spends money on. If he was forcing everyone to do it, like grocery stores and restaurants, then I'd take issue as gov't over-involving itself, but that's no the case here.
"... by NObama."
No, by Gavin Newsom - enantiodromia, on 07/10/2009, -2/+7of course, the states where California's water comes from would starve to death without the food grown from that water in California
- rhabdomancer, on 07/10/2009, -3/+8Bawww. The little capitalist has his panties in a twist.
- strictnein, on 07/10/2009, -0/+5My thoughts exactly. Another "feel good" government policy that will hurt the people who are the most vulnerable.
- zephc, on 07/10/2009, -0/+3*Yawn*
This troll has now become boring.
(Also, for the record, I'm fiscally conservative and socially liberal) - smacksaw, on 07/10/2009, -0/+4As a native Californian whose family owned an avocado and citrus ranch, let me assure you that citrus can be grown in Florida and avocados grown in Chile, Mexico and many other similar climates. In fact, just about everything grown in California can also be grown elsewhere.
I'm going to go eat some Doritos from Canada that are made with Canadian corn. Who knew corn could grow in frozen tundra? I guess the farmers were able to dig their tractors out of the snow and fend off polar bear attacks long enough to harvest the snow corn and store it in their igloo grain silos. - smacksaw, on 07/10/2009, -3/+7Dear Gavin,
You can buy locally grown food, but not if it has been grown with water imported into the state of California.
Sincerely,
Fairness - smacksaw, on 07/10/2009, -0/+3Well, I'll give Gilroy credit for having wells.
- TheUngod, on 07/10/2009, -0/+3While that's true, is this going to fly with the NAFTA? I'm not familiar enough with it to know if this kind of thing is restricted, but from what I know ordering people to buy commodities from a specific place is not allowed.
- Swivelstick, on 07/10/2009, -0/+3Hopefully very little gives me the ***** when I get home and have to wrestle with the packaging just to get at it..
- zephc, on 07/10/2009, -1/+3There is very little space in the city of SF and market forces naturally push scarce resources up in price when it is desired by lots of people. This is not something that is, nor should be, touched by the local/state/federal government.
- zephc, on 07/10/2009, -0/+2lol, looks like 14AryanAngel88's account has been deleted
- Recoil, on 07/10/2009, -0/+2Aryan, trolls are people who submit comments for the sole purpose of stirring things up with foul and offensive language and that's exactly what you're doing right now.
- zephc, on 07/10/2009, -3/+5News Alert! Cornell study shows that eating locally produced food is healthier for you!
http://www.pressconnects.com/article/20080814/NEWS ...
Local organic food is also fresher and tastier - I recommend hitting a local farmer's market if you get a chance. - erkokite, on 07/10/2009, -1/+3What part of "city-purchased," do you not understand? Nobody is making any private entity do anything. This applies to public entities only.
- BossKey, on 07/10/2009, -1/+3Cheap food is not more efficient if it carries hidden costs, long-term costs, or both.
It costs less to eat "cheap," but you'll wreck your body doing so, thereby raising your medical costs, depleting the soil requiring more chemical inputs, etc etc. - ZenMojo, on 07/10/2009, -0/+2There's also the Wal-Mart factor. Wal-Mart is cheaper than a lot of local businesses, but all of that money goes to foreign economies that exploit their workers, meaning fewer people who need the commerce benefit as it all goes to transportation and management.
The whole "cheaper is better" mentality is often wrong because it keeps diverting money to places we would never send money to if we had to talk to the middlemen face to face. This anonymity is a comfortable way for us to shake off responsibilities we have as consumers to know where our money is going. - kinerry, on 07/10/2009, -1/+3but from a cost-benefit perspective, you are hurting people more than helping
"organic" "locally grown"...all luxuries of the rich - Swivelstick, on 07/10/2009, -1/+3I'd really like to see your sources for this (dis)information
- Opiate, on 07/10/2009, -2/+4Now your taxes can pay for other people's pretensions, has Cali always been a heavy nanny state?
- jbella, on 07/10/2009, -0/+1I am all for letting people make their own decisions on what their food is wrapped in, and whether to buy organic sustainable food or individually wrapped kiwi's shipped in from New Zealand. I have no problem with this, as long as those people pay for the full cost of those purchasing decisions. The cost of picking and shipping the fruit to your table is obviously already in the price you pay, but the price of the pollution caused by tthat transport, and the disposal costs for the paper are not factored in. Coal is an incredibly cheap energy source, if you only consider the cost of digging it out of the ground and burning it. When you factor in the cost of mitigating it's pollution, the price gets much higher.
- voisine, on 07/10/2009, -0/+1I agree that farmer's markets can be cheaper. In the instances that they are, I'm all for it. If it's cheaper that generally means that fewer resources are consumed in it's production, but I don't trust governments who aren't spending their own money to shop for food wisely and carefully, comparing prices for different crops depending on seasonality and harvest times. What do they care? It's not like they give the money back to taxpayers if they come in under budget. In fact if they do come in under budget, their budget might get cut, so they have a perverse incentive to waste resources.
- kinerry, on 07/10/2009, -1/+2studies have shown you actually waste gasoline with locally grown food
- ZenMojo, on 07/10/2009, -0/+1He's merely undermining your argument that cheaper = more efficient. Cheaper is not more efficient, cheaper is just cheaper at the consumer end.
Since city businesses are paid for with taxpayer money, and local businesses contribute to those taxes and the economy, then city-level protectionism is efficient. Exporting your commerce is not -- moral considerations aside. - PowderedToasty, on 07/10/2009, -1/+2[citation needed]
- sroske, on 07/10/2009, -0/+1 Gavin Newsom, best mayor ever!!!
- Kayakityak, on 07/10/2009, -1/+2No bananas for you!
(Please read this with a great Soup Nazi accent.) - Opiate, on 07/10/2009, -2/+3Nobody is telling you otherwise, they just laugh at the destruction of this once great country. I never understood people's need to control other people's lives, so malicious.. and yes progressive has always meant to move away from constitutional republic to totalitarian state via socialism. This is why democrazy is scary .. you "progress" from a simple free state into some monster behemoth who will eventually eat itself. It's a mob rule, and the mob happens to be really ***** evil.
- enantiodromia, on 07/10/2009, -0/+1wow, Mike(somenumber) is trolling again. we're all so shocked!
- askantik, on 07/10/2009, -1/+2And any ***** retarded idiot knows that most of the time, locally grown food is cheaper.
"Let me guess, Prius driver?" Hahahahaha, so hilarious. God damn, you're such a sour-pus little dick. - darkened, on 07/10/2009, -0/+1... another government dissenter silenced on Digg, this is starting to become a trend.
- dexx4d, on 07/10/2009, -1/+2And the with the locally grown food, the money the city spends stays in the city, helping out the local economy, which may be the real goal of this.
- PopcornDave, on 07/10/2009, -1/+2Oh this won't be the end of this malarkey, trust me. This is nothing more than a political wank to get Gavin's name out as an eco conscious candidate who's running for the democratic spot in the governor's race.
Why didn't he do this a few years ago? What was stopping him if he was so concerned about it?
It's nothing more than a political dog and pony show. - ZenMojo, on 07/10/2009, -0/+1If by pretense you mean creating jobs in your county, then yes...pretense. Horrible, horrible pretense.
- Mike17102, on 07/10/2009, -0/+1The idea that local and "organic" food is somehow better for you is utter *****. So there is no hidden cost, its just cheaper.
- askantik, on 07/10/2009, -0/+1NEWS ***** FLASH: LOCALLY GROWN FOOD IS USUALLY CHEAPER. GO TO A GOD DAMNED FARMER'S MARKET BEFORE YOU SPEAK OF THIS *****.
I'm so sick of all these ***** pessimistic, bitch-ass comments from people who have no idea what they're talking about. - LuckEduck, on 07/10/2009, -0/+1Agreed. Buying local benefits many. Sites like http://www.LocalRollCall.com and http://www.LoveBuyingLocal.com are helping people find great local alternatives.
- askantik, on 07/10/2009, -0/+1Perhaps you've never been to a farmer's market... but it's usually pretty damned cheap food. And joining a co-op (as would be the obvious choice for these city agencies) would make ti even cheaper.
- NoDrama, on 10/13/2009, -0/+1Using fuel to ship food long distances is nuts. You might say the same about piping water into places that have too little... We need both, obviously, but water is the more fundamental resource.
Over 2 billion people do not have adequate water to handle basic sanitation needs - and now, local governments in some places turn to PRIVATE, multi-national corporations to provide water rather than familiar municipal systems.
How long until what comes out of your tap is as expensive as bottled water? http://henoticworld.blogspot.com/2009/10/helping-l ... How's YOUR consumption?
Do you know how much water it takes to get a single pound of beef into your kitchen? Do you know that it takes 4 times more water to make a cup of coffee than a cup of tea? http://zennie2005.blogspot.com/2009/10/tom-hayes-w ... - MissOthmar, on 07/09/2009, -5/+5Wonder why he went to Oakland to announce a directive to buy food grown in and around SF.
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