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Muslims upset by Doritos

dailymail.co.uk — Furious Muslims have heavily criticised Walkers crisps after it emerged that certain varieties of the manufacturer's products contain trace elements of alcohol

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  • appleann1, on 02/23/2008, -35/+1100Then don't eat the damn things!
    Problem solved.
    • otatop, on 02/23/2008, -86/+22If they already ate them, problem not solved.
      • arbouler, on 02/23/2008, -2/+100no not really. different schools teach different things. i know that when i was in islamic school back then (like, 11 years around K-12 time), they said it's not a big deal if you accidentally ate it, just dont do it again.

        but in general this whole thing is stupid. yea, just dont eat it! dont use alcohol for even medical purposes! dont eat anything that contains alcohol!

        the koran literally mentioned: "dont drink alcohol". but in this case, youre not drinking it, it's processed, and you wont get wasted. sorry but islamic teachings are so twisted and intertwined the past few hundred years, it's nuts. no wonder there's idiots who wanna kill everyone else for no reason at all.
        • fkr3, on 02/23/2008, -2/+112If you haven't been wasted on Doritos you're just not trying...
          • redfox2600, on 02/23/2008, -5/+36If your trying to get wasted off of a bag of Doritos you need help...
          • fkr3, on 02/23/2008, -2/+26I don't see why you'd need help, it's hardly difficult to move the Doritos from the bag to your mouth....
          • floridiot2, on 02/23/2008, -2/+40help = bean dip soaked in jack daniels.
          • aceslick911, on 02/23/2008, -5/+8comment of the day! thanks man
          • Spuy767, on 02/23/2008, -0/+20The defninig characteristic of any alcohol is the hydroxyl group. Do you have any idea how many of the things we consume contain a hydroxyl group? This is just another example of religious dogma being twisted an perverted.
          • kevinzak21, on 02/23/2008, -0/+4It would be ***** hilarious if someone drew a comic of Muhammad browsing Wikipedia while eating a bag of Doritos, pointing at the picture of himself with a speech balloon saying, "That's me!"
          • ICanRead, on 02/23/2008, -0/+5Why does th -OH group and pissed off Muslims have in common?

            They are both radical.
            Thank you, I'll be here all night..
        • Enasni1212, on 02/23/2008, -0/+4fkr, that conjured up an extremely awesome image. Thank you.
        • Scruffydan, on 02/23/2008, -6/+42Reminds me of Jews that are strictly Kosher. The rules are twisted and exaggerated that all original meaning is lost. Of course when traces of pork products (or other non kosher stuff) are found in food that was thought to be kosher, and religious Jews make a fuss no one cares, but when Muslims do it is news.
          • RobotBuddha, on 02/23/2008, -0/+4I think the amount of people who care about similar situations with jews keeping kosher is the same as people who care about the eating habits of muslims. The amount of people who think it's funny and like to laugh at it is pretty high in both camps though. Same as when meat is found in products eaten by vegitarians. Food is one of those lingering tribal things that a significant amount of people still like to think isn't about cultural context or social upbringing, but about a solid line of "Normal food" Vs. "Weird food".
          • LeeSoong, on 02/24/2008, -0/+3Kosher rules and Muslim rules about food - logically were to keep people from getting sick.

            When those rules were written thousands of years ago, getting sick off of undercooked pork meat usually meant a life long infection with parasites - or a slow painful death by diarrhea and vomiting.

            If you ever visited an 'open air' marketplace around the world, you'll realize why they sell all the food outside - the smell of so much unrefrigerated fish and meat is awful!

            Clean food may not have been the only real science spawned by religion,
            but it certainly is helpful to NOT get poisoned and die from 3rd world diseases.

            Remember when they wrote those rules, sickness was seen as an evil curse - not a 'disease' but some form of unknown evil.
        • tattertech, on 02/23/2008, -6/+8No Scruffydan... It's still *****.
        • muzzle, on 02/23/2008, -0/+15"sorry but islamic teachings are so twisted and intertwined the past few hundred years, it's nuts."
          also, these crisps may contain traces of nuts.
        • wakananda, on 02/23/2008, -11/+23Scruffydan - Jews just don't project the same aggression. Islamists won't rest with their infantile demands until your wife and daughters hair is covered, and every British woman covers her "filthy" body to the anlkles - or suffer the consequences. They want sharia law in Britain; this is not in dispute. That should be considered offensive, and condemned at every turn. Jews, by contrast, are not attempting to breed and legislate their way to jewish law in Britain. That's difference in context.
          • yournightmare, on 02/23/2008, -14/+18Yea, those peace-loving Israelis don't project *any* aggression, ever. As far as wanting Sharia law, lots of Christians (lots of powerful Christians at that) in America want Christian law. And the Jews aren't trying to breed and legislate their way to Jewish law in Britain, but they did a fine job of legislating their way to an entire ***** Jewish country.
          • neko6, on 02/23/2008, -6/+17"those peace-loving Israelis don't project *any* aggression" - when did Israel attack anyone unprovoked? Give a single example.
            "they did a fine job of legislating their way to an entire ***** Jewish country" - The Muslims did the same, in the same decade under the same conditions, but with over 20 countries (almost all larger then Israel and contain oil), and thats without suffering a holocaust on the way. So what?
          • LeeSoong, on 02/24/2008, -1/+1The English have no one to blame but themselves - not the Muslims.

            England has completely and utterly failed when it comes to immigration policies.

            If the British have a problem with being overrun by ethnic groups or religious groups they do not like - it is their own fault for not correcting their government's policies. I have met several X-English who have moved to the USA because their neighborhoods have turned into a foreign country.

            So stop whining, and get on with knocking down Big Ben for a new Mosque, heathens.
      • cnot3, on 02/23/2008, -8/+37Doritos aren't against the koran but alcohol is? *****, I'm catholic (on christmas, at least) and I still drink, smoke, gamble, a watch porn, why the ***** can't these pansies grow a pair.
        • cubbiesx, on 02/23/2008, -4/+11Jesus.
        • Murdats, on 02/23/2008, -3/+10well the christians which would be equatible to these muslims in terms of dedication and insanity would probably be against all those things aswell.
        • Scruffydan, on 02/23/2008, -11/+4and we wonder why they don't like us...
          • sv650touring, on 02/23/2008, -0/+7No one is wondering. Some groups often don't like anyone that doesn't submit entirely to their will. Just more collectivist *****.
          • PopcornDave, on 02/24/2008, -0/+2Sorry, some of us just don't give a ***** if ultra religious people like us or not.
        • muzzle, on 02/23/2008, -0/+5Mention red meat on Fridays? ;)
          • TheTaoOfBill, on 02/23/2008, -1/+16It's funny how many people still don't eat red meat on fridays and yet they have no clue why they do it. It really has no purpose in today's world. It used to be way back in the day that the Jewish people had Sabbath on Saturday instead of Sunday which is when the Christians go to church. And back then they weren't able to store or cook meat in the best ways that ensured less bacteria. So half the time you'd eat meat you'd be sick the next day. So jews made it part of their religion to not eat red meat on Friday so they wouldn't get sick on Saturday and be forced to not go to Sabbath.

            Today's catholics think they are not eating red meat simply because God told them so. They have no idea what it's purpose is and I think if they realized they would start eating meat. It's a silly rule for today's world.
          • TheGuruStud, on 02/23/2008, -0/+6*fixed* "All of the major religions are silly in today's world"

            :)
          • sv650touring, on 02/23/2008, -0/+4you could replace "not eating red meat on Fridays" with an enormous amount of the seemingly random rules in religion, and your observation would still be valid
          • TheTaoOfBill, on 02/23/2008, -2/+3Religion is not silly in today's world. It does have a lot of valuable lessons. But there are also plenty of valuable lessons outside of religion to learn and it's kinda silly to let pointless religious laws get in the way of becoming a wiser individual.
          • HeyLew, on 02/23/2008, -0/+1good comment, i never new the reason for the no meat friday rule!
          • LeeSoong, on 02/24/2008, -1/+1Actually, the '' Fish On Fridays '' thing goes back to one of the Early Popes, who, you guessed it - came from a family of fishermen.

            The Papal decree to eat fish was a huge profit maker for the Pope's brother's fish business. Already doing well, the '' Fish on Fridays '' lent LAW suddenly made the Pope's family filthy rich. NICE!

            It's good to be the King, and completely infallible - without question.
        • wakananda, on 02/23/2008, -5/+16Scruffydan - it's not that they "don't like us." They hate us and want to destroy us - not because of our bad habits, primarily, but because we don't believe in their cult. They want to supplant us, replace us, and remake our country with their religious body of law, and make it applicable to every Briton. They push and push at every turn - demanding schools clothe swim teams to the ankle; demanding the right to wake the town with their amplified "call to prayer." They have a goal; they are very aggressive in trying to attain it; and giving in on the little things encourages them to push harder for the next assault on free and open societies. If there is no law against concealing the presence of the innocuous chemical in question, they should quietly work to change that law, through proper channels - not raise a rabble and cast blame on a company for not orienting it's policies to their daft system of beliefs.
          • yournightmare, on 02/23/2008, -0/+8I wonder why they don't try that ***** here in America?
          • oxdeltaxo, on 02/23/2008, -1/+13@yournightmare

            Prolly because they'd get called out on it faster than you can say "this isn't your god damn country." The uk needs to pull their act together, bending over for Muslims is a bad idea.
          • LeeSoong, on 02/24/2008, -1/+2"They Hate Our Freedom" (TM)

            - to eat Doritos, Chili hot dogs, drink beer,
            and grow fat watching sporting events on huge 62" HDTVs.

            'BEER HERE!'
        • senatorpjt, on 02/23/2008, -1/+5Yeah, if Doritos were around when the Koran was written, they'd probably be banned too.
        • twiztidsinz, on 02/23/2008, -2/+1Dugg for being "christmas"
        • lofidan, on 02/24/2008, -1/+1It's not about "growing a pair", it's that their particular fairy-tale book says they can't do it. Kind of like how your one says it's bad to ***** little boys up their tiny poop chutes, which is why none of the priests do it.
      • ICanRead, on 02/23/2008, -0/+7If you already ate them and got trashed and had wild sex with all the infidels, you will be forgiven...

        I'm joking.
      • Fhwqhgads, on 02/23/2008, -0/+6ONOES you ingested some trace of the devil liquid. the world will end tonight.
        • otatop, on 02/23/2008, -3/+2I'm sure if you found out something you ate had human meat in it you'd just say "ONOES I ingested human".

          I realize it's the cool thing here to go "Haha! Your beliefs are different from mine, so you're an idiot!" but try and have some common sense now and then.

          Let's see if all 52 of you bury this comment too.
          • SlyMm, on 02/23/2008, -0/+3Alcohol is something that is naturally occurring in a ***** of food however due to fermentation etc. Human meat doesn't have a tendency to naturally occur in the presence of breaddy foods..
          • Fafnir43, on 02/24/2008, -0/+4Have you ever eaten snacks from a bowl at a party? Yeah - chances are there were a few microscopic skin fragments on them.

            ONOES you ingested human.

            The amount of alcohol in Doritos is really about that small.
          • LeeSoong, on 02/24/2008, -1/+2Meat is Dead - If you want to feel holier than thou, become a Fruitarian.

            Only Eat Fruit - and not even the seeds - because seeds are embryo plants,
            and it is completely evil to eat live babies. Eating peanuts is Evil.
            Liberal Fruitarians eat some leaves, as long as the whole plant is not killed.
            Only fruit is 'meant' to be eaten.

            Berries with seeds might be eaten, as most small seeds pass directly through the GI tract, and actually are 'intelligently designed' to benefit by being pooped out at random locations to grow anew.

            Fruitarians are the Holiest of Holy,
            not like all the filthy ungodly Vegans, Christians, Jews and Muslims.
      • bullrassler, on 02/24/2008, -0/+2A quick google found this article
        http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3527724.stm
        Muslims get soft drinks go-ahead
        Muslims in the UK have been given permission to consume soft drinks which contain minute traces of alcohol and pork products.
        ...Lucozade contains 0.01% ethyl alcohol to aid flavouring, which the Muslim Law Council now says is too small to matter
        ...The Muslim Law Council - the UK's highest authority on halal (clean) food - consulted earlier rulings by imams on halal food before reaching its decision.
        In the ruling, the Council's chair, Zaki Badawi, said precedents had been set allowing the use of non-halal ingredients in certain cases.
        "I see no harm in consuming Ribena and Lucozade which contain traces of ethyl alcohol and animal ingredients that do not bear their original qualities and do not change the taste, colour or smell of the product," Mr Badawi said.
        In its submission to the Muslim Law Council, the drinks' maker, GlaxoSmithKline, pointed out fruit juices and bread could also contain the same or higher trace amounts of alcohol due to natural fermentation.
        -----
        That reasoning is the opposite of homeopathy BTW. I thought most soft drinks contained traces of alcohol as alcohols are the most common carriers for flavor extracts, but I didn't find any other references in a quick web search.
    • Roger, on 02/23/2008, -87/+31I thought digg had gotten over it, but I see its as Islamophobic here as it ever was.

      Vegetarians would complain just as much if they found out their favorite food contained trace bits of meat.
      Celiacs would complain if they found traces of gluten.
      Jewish people would complain if they found trace bits of pork.

      Big deal. Just admit you just want another excuse to criticize Muslims.
      • SaladCactusKing, on 02/23/2008, -6/+31Remember what happened with Jews and twinkies when they found the pork trace?

        Hint: a little bit bitching and nothing more.
        • fkr3, on 02/23/2008, -1/+13wtf do twinkies need pork for??
          • SaladCactusKing, on 02/23/2008, -3/+10No idea. Creepy as hell. If you read the ingredients it says "various animal fat shortenings"

            Ick.
          • snapcase, on 02/23/2008, -1/+13Never heard of lard huh? 'Tis pig fat.

            I recommend you never eat a good pie or any other good pastry for that matter if you think that's gross SaladCactusKing.
          • SaladCactusKing, on 02/23/2008, -2/+17What's creepy to me is the "various animal" aspect. If it said Lard, I'd be fine.

            It doesn't tell you WHAT animals they use. It could be an American Bison, a Horse *****, and a fried Goat anus for all I know.
          • eabu, on 02/23/2008, -0/+5Mmmm, fried Goat anus, mmmm, you're making me hungry for Twinkies.
          • sv650touring, on 02/23/2008, -2/+2A few of these cured my cravings for twinkies: http://www.wholesalekennel.com/petcare/product_inf ...
      • Lukesed, on 02/23/2008, -2/+12Remember the lawsuits the vegitarians made when they found out mcdonalds french fries had animal fat? Don't see that happening here.
        • sv650touring, on 02/23/2008, -1/+7Since McDonalds switched to trans-fat-loaded which is much worse for you, can we now sue vegetarians?
      • acetv, on 02/23/2008, -6/+38I'd make fun of Vegetarians and Jewish people too if they complained about things like this. People with a gluten intolerance, on the other hand, probably would have noticed something first.
      • Enasni1212, on 02/23/2008, -7/+80We're not bashing them because they're Muslim, we're bashing them because they're stupid. As the article said, BREAD contains trace amounts of alcohol. Are they not supposed to eat bread?
        • bigfinger, on 02/23/2008, -8/+3for reals B.
        • senatorpjt, on 02/23/2008, -1/+14Anything with any kind of sugar content and moisture that is exposed to the air likely contains trace alcohol from airborne yeast.
        • RobotBuddha, on 02/23/2008, -0/+3Exactly, it's like hardcore Buddhists who get all puffed up on never killing anything while munching away on their veggies, killing insects that get into their home, and killing bacteria left and right. It's fine to have morals different than society at large if nobody is being hurt in the process. But when those morals also mean you're in total denial of the reality around you, yes, one should expect people to get a chuckle or two.
      • Kalior, on 02/23/2008, -16/+32No one would care except that some Muslims will look for ANY excuse to get violent
        • Cyrus042, on 02/23/2008, -23/+12And some Diggers will look for ANY excuse to be irrational and critical.
        • wakananda, on 02/23/2008, -2/+22He said "some" muslims. You're in an irrational state of denial about the militancy of Islam in the West.
        • SurrealDream, on 02/23/2008, -5/+10Dude, this was written in the Daily Mail. They pander to the irrational and critical middle class in England. Take their writing with a piiiinch of salt. Preferably salt without traces of alcohol.
      • rdaly92, on 02/23/2008, -7/+2lololol sepoy rebellion
        • prophetpimp, on 02/23/2008, -2/+4those were Indians you ***** and mostly Hindus and not Muslims.
      • expatcatalyst, on 02/23/2008, -2/+9No they are bringing on enough of their own criticism. Come on get a life, not everyone is a Muslim!
      • BlackJackJester, on 02/23/2008, -5/+25And they're all whiny bitches. I don't like olives, but if I accidentally eat one on a pizza, I'm not going to ***** a brick. And even if you want to counter with "a belief is different than a choice", Just stop eating them. I don't want to know what kind of cruel god you worship if you're going to hell for doing something completely unintentionally.
        • wakananda, on 02/23/2008, -2/+8A belief is a choice.
          • TheTaoOfBill, on 02/23/2008, -3/+3For many people it isn't. It might have been for you but a lot of people are raised that if they make a different choice they will go to hell. And if they believe that they really don't have a choice.

            It's like a choice with a gun to your head. The only correct choice is the one that doesn't get you shot.

            That's why while it is important to call violent ***** out it's also important to be tolerant of other cultures because they really don't have a choice as you say when for them it's a choice between afterlife and afterdeath.
          • CoolWind, on 02/23/2008, -0/+1they don't have a choice, because if they don't follow they will be beaten, whipped, or stoned, unmercilessly
      • JohnFrum, on 02/23/2008, -0/+16Hi Roger,
        Vegetarian here. I used to love MD french fries. News came out they are sprinkled in animal by product during the manufacturing process. Some silly people sued I think. Most of us just stopped eating the fries. Simple as that.

        • JStraum, on 02/23/2008, -1/+3Hmmmmm - what was it that made you love them so much?
        • DaffyDuck, on 02/23/2008, -0/+4"Hmmmmm - what was it that made you love them so much?"

          Perhaps their crispy salty potato-ness?
      • Argy, on 02/23/2008, -1/+5I'm a vegetarian, and I would be annoyed if I found out something I was eating (that has the "full" ingredient list right there) was made with dead animals. If I was eating at a restaurant and the fries were sprinkled in beef and I didn't know it until after, I probably wouldn't be as mad because I didn't see the ingredient list first (my fault). I wouldn't ask the company to change its ingredients; I would just stop eating the offending food.

        One time I ate a box of Pocky and right after saw the ingredient list that said it was made with fish oil. Oh well.
        • Sidzilla, on 02/23/2008, -0/+4I am a former vegetarian. Every day i would walk past KFC on the way home from school, and the aroma of those 11 herbs and spices would beckon me. I was weak, and now have resumed eating tasty little dead critters. Maybe I should sue? Nah! I for one gladly welcome my original recipe overlords.
      • taitbp75, on 02/23/2008, -1/+4Celiacs would complain if they found traces of gluten, because the gluten actually would cause them harm, and they would only complain if the product already claimed to be gluten free.
    • ericdano, on 02/23/2008, -9/+89No no no, they couldn't DO THAT. That would be too simple.
    • BlackJackJester, on 02/23/2008, -2/+59I would just like to point out Dorito's were one of Saddam's Hussein's favorite snacks. There was an interview with his prison guards shortly after his execution. I thought it was interesting.
      • reazal, on 02/23/2008, -10/+7[Citation needed]
      • Refrag, on 02/23/2008, -14/+11More proof of how secular he was and how unlike our actual enemies he was.
        • Ayrapetov, on 02/23/2008, -4/+6man shut the hell up, do you even understand what you're saying?
        • sv650touring, on 02/23/2008, -1/+7You don't have to be a fundamentalist muslim to be a *****.
        • mGARANDEUR1, on 02/23/2008, -2/+4Yeah Hussein was such a great leader that he butchered millions of his own people. Idiot.
          • zeabu, on 02/26/2008, -0/+1You could say the same about the civil war.
            If you look to Iraq right now, there is a reason why he did what he did. It's defenitly wrong, but I think the people, or at least the women were better off, under his rule.
        • wheresmysnack, on 02/23/2008, -2/+1I don't think he killed millions. Thousands? Certainly.
      • dinostabOMG, on 02/23/2008, -1/+1Stephen Colbert, too.
    • Cyrus042, on 02/23/2008, -11/+48I don't think they have an issue with not eating it if it has alcohol. The issue was that many of them were not informed, either through poor labeling, or lacking information between the manufacturers and the stores that there was trace amounts of alcohol.

      From what I can gather from the article, Walkers (Doritos) did not mention the fact that there was ethyl alcohol in the ingredient's listing. I don't think it's unreasonable for companies to make small concerted efforts like labeling food in order to respect individual's personal or religious beliefs, regardless of how odd they may seem.
      • bingobongony, on 02/23/2008, -7/+18If they had to include everything in it in that trace amounts that the alcohol is in ot, the ingredients list would fill the entire bag.
        • jrbrewin, on 02/23/2008, -2/+11alcohol evaporates at low temperatures anyway. from what i gather in the article it is used to help extract flavours, afterwhich i would suspect any trace amounts of alcohol would evaporate off later in the preparation process.

          granted, they should label it, but equally some common sense is called for on both sides of the table here, especially considering walkers are complying to the law in terms of food labelling.
          • CoolWind, on 02/23/2008, -1/+3why should they label it? alcohol is used to extract many things that end up in food. trace amounts are only important to extremists. let them make their own food.
        • StarlessKnight, on 02/23/2008, -2/+6A cup of hot coffee: "CAUTION: HOT!"

          A bag of Doritos: "CAUTION: MINUTE TRACES OF ALCOHOL! ALSO MINUTE TRACES OF DUST PARTICULATE, INSECT BITS MEETING FDA CRITERIA, POLLUTION FROM SETTLING AIR..."
      • Locke2053, on 02/23/2008, -1/+24Let's hope the fundamentalist muslims never discover spectroscopy! If they actually did a spectral analysis on all their food, they would find alcohol molecules are in just about everything, to some degree.
        • saqer, on 02/23/2008, -9/+1it's not about the alcohol u douchebag it's about the misinformation
        • CoolWind, on 02/23/2008, -0/+3that's why their complaints can justly be ignored. they are based on extremist religious interpretations and not on facts.
      • JedicodeWarrior, on 02/23/2008, -1/+271-800-WAAAAAA
      • saqer, on 02/23/2008, -7/+1you just don't get it u *****, but if it were vegens protesting a food product that contained traces of meat, no, it wouldn't be dugg, nor would it be newsworthy. Diggers are so sensationalist. Anything to bash religion.
      • mGARANDEUR1, on 02/23/2008, -1/+5It's not a company's responsibility to take care of every customers needs. The customer should look on religious websites to see what foods are acceptable to eat.
      • saqer, on 02/23/2008, -3/+1seriously, bro or sis, you renewed have just saved my faith in diggers. The only reasonable-minded response i have read today.
    • Scruffydan, on 02/23/2008, -5/+36this really is a non-story. The fact is that other religious groups (Kosher Jews for example) make a fuss when they find out that food they thought was OK to eat, really isn't. That happens every once in a while, but it isn't news worthy.

      Why is it news worthy when it is religious Muslims complaining?
      • bingobongony, on 02/23/2008, -14/+4And when those fanatics Jews complain, it makes news too.

        PLEASE tell me you are not embarrassing yourself by suggesting that Digg is pro-Jew and anti-Muslim.
      • tattertech, on 02/23/2008, -8/+5Dude seriously... It's just as much BS when they say it too. And I hear about it too. That you have a bias otherwise isn't really my problem.
      • krizzle, on 02/23/2008, -12/+26Because when Muslims are angry, people die. I'll be sure to avoid standing near Dorritos end caps in case one is a target.
        • TheTaoOfBill, on 02/23/2008, -4/+8Really? Did anyone die here? Really?

          This sounded like a peaceful complaint to me. But you're right. They're muslim so they will probably go on a killing spree any second now.
          • Sidzilla, on 02/23/2008, -1/+5Like when the Pope quoted one of his predecessors stating that Muslims were violent. They proved him wrong by immediately burning Catholic churches and murdering several nuns.
      • neko6, on 02/23/2008, -1/+8It's news worthy when companies lie about products and people's beliefs get needlessly hurt. But in this case it seems we're talking about trace amounts that aren't really a religious issue, which makes this specific story non-news and these specific Muslims overreacters.
        • diggimator, on 02/23/2008, -2/+1Maybe if enough muslim news make its way to digg, people will get used to it, stop over-reacting, and then we'll have less non-news making the front page.
        • TheTaoOfBill, on 02/23/2008, -3/+2It should really be in the ingredients if it's there.
          • Sidzilla, on 02/23/2008, -0/+2They don't list insect parts or rat feces, but that is there, also.
          • TheTaoOfBill, on 02/23/2008, -0/+1They don't intentionally put in that stuff.
          • StarlessKnight, on 02/23/2008, -0/+1Intent doesn't necessarily mean anything. "We understand your philosophical belief states you can't consume this, but we didn't knowingly include insect bits and rat feces in our product! It's a difficult, if not unavoidable consequence of mass production." "And? YOU DIDN'T PUT IT ON THE LABEL! I don't care if it was only potential, you KNEW it was possible!"

            Some accept that as a byproduct of their processed food, others will not. See this story for possible byproduct dislike.
      • ogore, on 02/23/2008, -2/+9The title is so general as well, saying "muslims upset by Doritos" is like saying "Christians upset by condoms"
        • Absinthminded64, on 02/23/2008, -0/+4"Catholics upset by condoms" -There I fixed it for you.
      • thomashauk, on 02/23/2008, -0/+6Because it is the Daily Mail
        • Nerfdude, on 02/23/2008, -0/+2"If It Ends In Co.uk, It's Sensationalist Tripe!"(tm)
    • rz8472, on 02/23/2008, -4/+42Solution: Halal-itos.
    • zachblume, on 02/23/2008, -4/+56So? Your body has a natural (small but there) amount of alcohol in it at all times...does that mean everyone naturally goes to hell?
      • EpicSelekta, on 02/23/2008, -11/+1You also share a fairly large amount of genes with a dog (which means a lot of shared chemicals). You wouldn't eat Lassie based on that, right? But some cultures (Phillipines or the Swiss) do. If you're in one of those cultures, you probably don't scorn people who don't. It's the same situation with alcohol, except Muslims have a more logical basis for it: you'll never see a nation of Muslim drunks.
        • SurrealDream, on 02/23/2008, -0/+12"You'll never see a nation of Muslim drunks."
          rofl, you've obviously never seen my uncles at eid.
        • rushiku, on 02/23/2008, -0/+6Protein is protein bub. People do not generally eat animals that are kept as pets due to societal pressure, which has nothing to do with genetics.

          Logic has nothing to do with getting upset about accidentally consuming 15 molecules of alcohol. (Less alcohol than one inhales while walking past a pub, I'll venture) I've not read it, but I am sure that the intent of the 'no alcohol' rule was to reduce drunkenness, not promote irrational behavior. Now that I think about it, they've managed to find a loophole, "what, no alcohol? okay, we'll just get stupid with minutia instead"
          • RobotBuddha, on 02/23/2008, -0/+1Protein is protein, but eating closely related species is a good way to pick up whatever diseases they were carrying. Though, as others have said, a dog is hardly on our list of close relatives.
          • EpicSelekta, on 02/23/2008, -0/+1They're much closer related to us than plants, fish, or yeast
        • drachemorder, on 02/23/2008, -0/+8Huh? Shared genes? I thought people didn't eat dogs because we keep them as pets and think they're cute, not because of genes.
        • RyePunk, on 02/23/2008, -0/+2We also share most of our genes with every living thing on the planet. Plants included... based on your logic we shouldnt be eating much of anything.
        • EpicSelekta, on 02/23/2008, -0/+1My point here was that you shouldn't look down on someone for being strongly against something that is in their own body.
      • ogore, on 02/23/2008, -0/+10The Koran says it's okay if you do not intentionally have it or have it against your will so I don't see any problem here
        • DarkDx, on 02/23/2008, -0/+2Bingo
        • coresnake, on 02/23/2008, -2/+3They copied buddhism
        • leexy, on 02/23/2008, -1/+1Well, we wouldn't want the Daily Mail to miss a chance at spreading hatred, now would we?
      • Frippe, on 02/23/2008, -0/+6It means you're not allowed to eat humans.
        • Sidzilla, on 02/23/2008, -0/+1Don't tell my wife. That's her favorite part.
      • omgosh, on 02/23/2008, -1/+4Well not really. Alcohol is only forbidden because it changes your state of mind and makes you do stuff you wouldn't normally. It is easy to see that a limit on the alcohol you are allowed to drink wouldn't work, but if it's only trace amounts that you had to intention of consuming it would be OK. A lot of laws in religion are rational it's just that they are blown of out proportion by people who just want something to complain about.
    • nyrol2, on 02/23/2008, -11/+119I think Doritos should definitely start considering Muslims a little bit more when they produce their chips. There should be a subtle sign saying "suitable for Muslims" and have a little picture of Muhammed giving a thumbs up. Why not the picture from wikipedia?
      • bthug7, on 02/23/2008, -33/+4Putting a a picture on the Doritos bag would upset Muslim's more than you can imagine.
        • tattertech, on 02/23/2008, -0/+24Wow... way to get the point.
        • prophetpimp, on 02/23/2008, -0/+24your sarcasm detector is malfunctioning.
        • Ahnteis, on 02/23/2008, -0/+18whoooooooosh.
        • bthug7, on 02/23/2008, -1/+19I should really finish reading posts before I comment them.
        • JStraum, on 02/23/2008, -1/+4Well you know what, The effin Muslims are upsetting me being babies about junk food they all of a sudden can't have. They want more tolerance? Get over petty little ***** like this and realize there's a bigger world out there than the one contained in their little black book...
          Me? going to go have a beer to drown my sorrows over upsetting the muslims...
        • yflicker, on 02/23/2008, -0/+1ORLY?
      • ogore, on 02/23/2008, -2/+6There already is a halal symbol
        • JimXugle, on 02/23/2008, -0/+1How did Doritos get the Halal Symbol if they have trace amounts of alcohol?
      • twiztidsinz, on 02/23/2008, -2/+8Buddy Muhammad?
    • Daiken, on 02/23/2008, -7/+21You people realize the problem isn't that Muslims can't eat the chips now. It's that there was nothing written in the ingredients list when it should have been.
      • JohnFrum, on 02/23/2008, -3/+19"Natural Flavors"
        It was on there.
      • Iconoclast25, on 02/23/2008, -12/+9On that basis, the ingredients list also should list "air," ***** MOSLEMS !!!
        • ogore, on 02/23/2008, -2/+5yeah and their edocation
          • Iconoclast25, on 02/23/2008, -1/+5"Moslem" is a term which practitioners of the cult of the 7th Century pederast find particularly offensive. The use herein is not accidental.
      • ogore, on 02/23/2008, -6/+5A mate of mine can't eat preservatives and he had to go to hospital when a product didn't list any. If they are not listing alcohol Im sure they're not listing other things
        • Iconoclast25, on 02/23/2008, -0/+6That sucks - sorry to hear about your friend, but to be safe in this day and age, he better stay with home cooked "from scratch" foods because virtually all processed foods and restaurant meals will have some preservatives in them from some ingredient in the mix.
          • RobotBuddha, on 02/23/2008, -0/+1That was my thought as well. How can you eat anything that's not home prepared in a situation like that? I don't eat meat, and it's not too far from my own behavior.
          • Iconoclast25, on 02/23/2008, -0/+3Yeah, hadn't thought about it, but there are all sorts of additives in meat - residuals from the feeds, shots, trace amounts of poisons used by agri business, etc. It would REALLY suck to be sensitive to this stuff, especially lethally sensitive.
      • JStraum, on 02/23/2008, -0/+11And for all this time they were munching, what they didn't know, didn't hurt them...and now it does? What if the word never got out? Would they have been stopped at the gates to the 69 virgins or whatever?
        "ah, no ***** way, remember those cool ranch Doritos you had back in 1978? Alchohol baby - you're outa here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
    • DesertDude, on 02/23/2008, -9/+45As a Muslim, I can tell you the problem is not that the product simply contains alcohol. It's because Muslims were told by this company that it was halal and free of alcohol and pig derivatives, then later we discover it's not. Nothing more. Kind of like a company marketing kosher meat which later turns out to be not really kosher.
      • floridiot2, on 02/23/2008, -9/+11How about a company that proclaims its food is 21st century safe? Should they still get offended?
        • ICSU, on 02/23/2008, -4/+8DesertDude,
          so you are going to hell now. Big deal, we non-muslims go there too.
        • JStraum, on 02/23/2008, -1/+7I'll bring the chips!!
      • DesertDude, on 02/23/2008, -2/+8@floridiot:

        I can't make a judgment on that until I know what "21st century safe" means.
        • RobotBuddha, on 02/23/2008, -0/+1I think he was implying "Safe for people who don't believe their food can have a magic curse".
        • DesertDude, on 02/24/2008, -0/+1Well, we don't think food has any curses.
      • twiztidsinz, on 02/23/2008, -4/+10Then I hope to ***** god, for your sake, you NEVER eat bread.
        You willingly consume that and it's well known that there is MORE alcohol than the Doritos.

        See ya in hell buddy!
      • iamafatguy, on 02/23/2008, -2/+5Nowhere in the article did it state that anyone was told the chips were halal.

        What's truly ridiculous is that time, energy and money have to be wasted trying to sort this sort of silliness.
      • Absinthminded64, on 02/23/2008, -1/+5"alcohol and pig derivatives"
        You got Bacon on my Beer! You got Beer on my Bacon! Hmmm. . Bacon Beer
      • lemur, on 02/23/2008, -0/+1I disagree whole heartedly with your statement. Frito-Lay was aware of the "enzyme" issue back when it was first discovered and long ago published which of their products contain it. As for the alcohol issue, it *is* halaal. A food does not have to be "free of alcohol" to be halal--that is your own thinking, but not acceptable in Islam. For example, bread contains alcohol.
    • EpicSelekta, on 02/23/2008, -2/+14The furious muslims are probably business owners.
      Picture this: Imagine being told that the product you're buying is delicious and halal (which is similar to kosher). Your entire target market is people that only eat halal food. You order 10000 bags of chips (depending on the size of the store, of course). Then you and your target demographic discover that it's not halal. You have 10000 bags of chips you're never gonna sell. You will not find a single business owner on the planet who wouldn't be pissed if this situation happened to them.
      A comparable situation would be an Israeli ordering a ton of non-kosher hot dogs (instead of Hebrew National!) or an American ordering a ton of hamburger patties that were made partly with dog meat.
      • senatorpjt, on 02/23/2008, -0/+2I suppose you could use the opportunity to sell to the rest of the people who don't care if it has alcohol in it, and the people who would buy it only because of that.
      • drachemorder, on 02/23/2008, -0/+3Wait, you mean generic store-bought hamburger patties DON'T contain dog meat?
      • Zasz, on 02/23/2008, -0/+2You're also not going to find a business owner that has 10000 bags of chips because they, you know, expire. At worst they would remove 2 or 3 cases from their shelves.
      • happyfundave, on 02/23/2008, -0/+3Often times you can return shipments if they were not needed. I cannot speak for suppliers of the chips in question but even if they don't you could always sell them to another business at a discount and cut your losses.
    • ICanRead, on 02/23/2008, -7/+17This is such a stupid article. The angry Muslim is a stereotype bolstered by the media to the nonthinking. We are currently in an amoral war in a highly Muslim region. We need to mold the enemy into an inhuman crazy opposing thing. Please stop being stupid.

      Also, as someone who is culturally aware or at least knows Muslims, I have been told that the forbidding of alcohol was due to a hadith = rule or saying of Muhammad, not in the Koran.
      Go ask a Muslim that you know if they'd care. I could be wrong in this. The info is 3rd party of a shaky source. Most Muslims would most likely say, "whatever" or "I guess I should not eat those anymore."

      However, if you owned a shop and sold these to others in a Muslim community you would feel bad. This is very synonymous with kosherism among more extreme Jews. Yes, "extreme Jews". The vebage can be used on all groups.

      Frankly, this article is just a catalyst or a doorway for all the "haters" to come out. It's good to know there are so many ignorant out there. My former Muslim roommate would probably buy these Doritos out of spite.

      For those who skipped to the bottom due to their ignorance and lack of reading comprehension-
      "Get off my lawn, Muslim!"
      • neko6, on 02/23/2008, -3/+7"This is very synonymous with kosherism among more extreme Jews." - Well, considering that these ideas were invented by Muhammad after being grown up by a Jewish family, it kinda makes sense it'll be "synonymous". Halal is just his variation on Kosherism.

        "Yes, "extreme Jews". The vebage can be used on all groups. " - When we say "extreme Muslims" we usually mean those who would kill for a caricature of Muhammad or alcohol traces in Doritos or for not following a certain dress code. Its far far away from respecting rules of Kosher or Halal. Under this definition, I've never heard of extreme Jews (can you recall a case in which a Jew murdered anyone for religious reasons?)
        • Sparq, on 02/23/2008, -2/+8"Can you recall a case in which a Jew murdered anyone for religious reasons?"
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yitzhak_Rabin ?
          Every religion has nutjobs. The main problem is that, to some, they are not nutty.
          • Edrick, on 02/23/2008, -0/+2It's good to keep in mind that religious "nutjobs" are usually violent because of their religion, and not of circumstance.
    • Enderplayer1, on 02/23/2008, -2/+23If eating Doritos is wrong I don't want to be right.
    • Asianwaste, on 02/23/2008, -2/+11Here's an unknown fact: Saddamn Hussein loved to eat Doritos.
      • Hoogs, on 02/23/2008, -0/+3I knew that.
      • happyfundave, on 02/23/2008, -0/+3I guess that would make it a little known fact because there are people who know it.
    • DrMonkeyLove, on 02/23/2008, -6/+7But they may have already eaten them without knowing! Muhammad is going to be pissed!!! No virgins for you!

      Ooh no... I'm being insensitive, boo-frickin'-hoo.
      • saqer, on 02/23/2008, -0/+1lol...as a Muslim I find your comment more comical than insensitive.
    • kbaz, on 02/23/2008, -9/+12It's amazing that many of the comments with the most Diggs are the comments that are ignorant and exactly what one of our problems is here in America. The man in this article wants it labeled--he didn't ask for anthing to be destroyed, he didn't call for anyone else to change their way of life, he didn't threaten anyone.

      It's amazing man--these types of comments such as h4ckler's comment below which has over 350 diggs...what was his comment? "Muslims: STFU (honestly) You bitch 100% than all the other religions combined." Why anyone would support that type of comment is crazy. We talk about peace and then encourage the opposite. We talk about open dialogue and then instead of addressing concerns we say, "Muslim: STFU..." Instead of appreciating this man's attempt to do this properly, he gets criticized. What's even more amazing is that unless there is a news article with some Muslim guy saying something like Muslims are corrupt and backwards, there will be negative reactions. It doesn't matter what he said, if he has a concern that doesn't match with a concern of yours...then he's a no good Muslim who complains and has to get over it.

      Things like this bring out what's really inside people and show us exactly why we have some of the problems we do in this world today. Now I'm curious to see how many Diggs this comment, or others like it, will get when compared to others who do nothing but incite hatred.
      • xdoppelgangerx, on 02/23/2008, -3/+3Thanks for saying what I was thinking.
      • saqer, on 02/23/2008, -0/+2If I could digg you up again I would. Even as a Muslim I don't care if you personally are against or for religion. What you said is what we ALL should aim for. Very well said, couldn't have put it better.
      • RobotBuddha, on 02/23/2008, -1/+2I think you're missing a huge point here. He wants alcohol listed as an ingredient. It's almost the exact same thing as demanding that air be listed as an ingredient. Yes, a large part of the diggs might be coming from "LOL! Mulems!", and angry atheists. But don't think for a second that just as many aren't coming from people exasperated by yet another instance of someone who won't use even the tinest bit of rational thought to realize something about food that should be obvious.
      • Edrick, on 02/23/2008, -1/+2Until Muslims can prove Allah exists and prove he doesn't like his followers consuming alcohol the makers of Doritos shouldn't have to make special concessions to let others know a trace amount of harmless alcohol may be in their product. This is different than, say, labeling a food has some peanut oil in it, since some people are very allergic to peanuts. This is practical. However, unsubstantiated beliefs do not fall under this category.
        Why is there an unwritten rule that others must respect or adapt to others' ridiculous, and more importantly, unproven beliefs? Why is religious dogma on a social scale much higher than any other facet of our lifestyles? It's absurd.
    • lennybird, on 02/23/2008, -4/+8I'm not one to be prejudice or racist or anything like that; but damn, I've never seen so much ridiculous ***** coming from a religion.

      And I thought Christianity was bad.
      • blate, on 02/23/2008, -2/+3Well if you RTFA you may have noticed that the "FURIOUS MUSLIMS" were 3 people; 1 was a businessman, who for a long time had sold Muslims unsuitable food, the other 2 were Muslim politicians. Their quotes suggest to me that they were unhappy with the situation, in the same way if a Jewish butchers had been unwittingly sold pork labelled as lamb. No suggstion of rioting, no call for Doritos to change the ingredients, not even a teensy weeny murder threat or jihad, just unhappy that they ate something they weren't supposed to. The vegetarians suing McDonalds was more reactionary than this, no Muslims have sued Doritos for their actions. This article is more Daily Mail ***** to incite hatred and let the racists spew out their top ten lists of why brown people suck.

        Hint: if the article is from the Daily Mail, assume everything is about half as crazy as they say, and you may be close to the truth. STOP POSTING DAILY MAIL
    • 141592653589793, on 02/23/2008, -2/+10are you kidding ?! fruits contain more alcohol than these things, naturally.
    • themastersb, on 02/23/2008, -2/+4They should fix this by putting a picture of Muhammad on the packaging with a caption "Muhammad says If you believe in me stay away"
    • joemofo214, on 02/23/2008, -3/+5theyre muslims, they bitch about any and everything
    • mGARANDEUR1, on 02/23/2008, -0/+4My god, who cares? Just because they use alcohol to extract the flavors doesn't mean that you can get drunk from eating chips. Chefs use alcohol in cakes to add flavor, but the alcohol evaporates when it is baked. I don't see the big deal about it.
      • ellisgl, on 02/24/2008, -0/+1Not to mention that most vitamin pills have stuff extracted with the use of alcohol.
    • blkhwk86, on 02/23/2008, -0/+1They're bitching because they translated the Koran differently. I heard somewhere that the Koran is against drunkeness, not having alcohol. Why is there not one single translation? Can some Muslim help me out with that one?
      • shakoorh, on 02/23/2008, -0/+1All Qur'an translations prohibit alcohol, the are different translations of the Qur'an because some (and by that I mean a lot of) words in arabic have a few different meanings so you have to be very good at classical arabic to be able to give a good translation, and also some words in Arabic have no English equivalent. Although saying that some translations are quite good, Yusuf Ali is good and Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan is a good translation and also Mohammad Maramaduke Pickthall is good.
      • ellisgl, on 02/24/2008, -0/+1Why are there different translations of the Christan bibles?
        • ConceptJunkie, on 02/24/2008, -0/+1Because a lot of people deliberately leave bits out, or change the words to suit their purposes.
    • shakoorh, on 02/23/2008, -1/+3Most of the people that comment on thsi site are racist ***** really for God's sake just because you drink alcohol don't force everyone else to have it. I'm from UK and I'm a Muslim and I've eaten this flavour a few times, but now that I know it has alcohol in it I'll stay away from that flavour, not because it will make me drunk (because it won't), but because I'd rather be safe than sorry for my Religion, and if you can't understand that then STFU you are too arrogant to understand. The story is about Muslims being furious at walkers for NOT putting alcohol on the ingredients list, it's like if there was cat ***** in it and they told you after 10 years, you'd be annoyed as well.

      In Islam you are allowed to have a (less than) drop of alcohol, so technically these are still halal, also if you eat something haram (unlawful) without knowing it, is allowed, as long as you stop eating it when you find out.

      With regards to the actual unlawfulness of Alcohol...intoxication (which was only alcohol at that time, but is extended to drugs now as well) is prohibited in the Qur'an, but it was not at first in Islam, the Qur'an was revealed in piece-meal (some sentences, or chapters at a time), so first alcohol was banned before prayer, and later it was completely banned, this was so that the Muslims at that time accepted such a move because their faith was not strong enough. This idea is known as "abrogating ayahs" in Quranic Studies if anyone wanted to know more. And in terms of Islam the Qur'an is the primary source of legal rulings and tenets of faith, and is considered as direct word of God, Hadith (traditions and sayings of the Propet Muhammad (PBUH)) are a secondary source of rulings that usully explain themes found in the Qur'an.
    • lovedunks, on 02/24/2008, -0/+1Organized religion is funny.
  • petsheep, on 02/23/2008, -6/+267"...a spokesperson for Walkers said that trace amounts of alcohol in crisps or bread are believed to be permissible for Muslims....We do not add alcohol to our products. However, ethyl alcohol may be present in trace amounts in a very small number of our flavours....It is used as a carrying agent for flavourings, and is found in many common food and drink products." (from the article)

    • sk11, on 02/23/2008, -2/+93It's also used in some medicines.
      • counterplex, on 02/23/2008, -11/+4Medicines are an entirely different category. Since preservation of life trumps all else, muslims are allowed to have alcohol as part of medicine and yes, even a roasted pig if it's a matter of life and death.
    • mightydavefish, on 02/23/2008, -17/+44It also occurs naturally all over and the amount of alcohol in food naturally increases as bacteria work on it.
      This is such a lame ***** story.
      It's as dumb as claiming Mormons are up in arms over it.
      • DWalla, on 02/23/2008, -8/+48The fact that they are freaking out is the story... I'm Mormon and I'm not up in arms about it. It's amazing how ignorant some groups of people can be. As you said... alcohol occurs naturally in so many of the things we eat that it would be impossible to live a life without it. This reaction on their part is totally Taliban-ish... they want to recreate the world into their distortion of reality.
        • floridiot2, on 02/23/2008, -8/+17Joseph Smith bless you.
        • Syphon8, on 02/23/2008, -3/+16Dum-dum-dum-dum-dum.
        • skeletorcares, on 02/23/2008, -1/+7vvvvvv From cartman's forced flashbacks, LOL vvvvvvv
          • skeletorcares, on 02/23/2008, -1/+2OH *****!!! NO. I was thinking drunk last night. Cartman's forced flashback was to meet the founding fathers...... 'If you don't like it, you can GHEeeeeeEEt Out.'

            Which is actually a valid comment for this also.
        • sparsely, on 02/23/2008, -2/+3That's exactly what articles like this are designed to ingrain: "Those kooky muslims, they're so bitchy and irrational"
          Way to fall for the *****. Your reaction is so Mormon-ish.
          While I don't care about alcohol, full disclosure in labelling would be nice. By regulation, at least in the US, foodmakers can hide ingredients behind the "natural and artificial flavoring" *****, so long as the flavoring was manufactured by a third party.
          Comprehensive ingredients labels aren't "recreating the world to fit a distortion of reality". I would think it would fall more under full disclosure of reality to consumers.
        • blate, on 02/23/2008, -2/+3The article quotes 3 PEOPLE! Not a riot, they haven't declared jihad, they haven't even sued Doritos. They are unhappy for eating what they weren't supposed to eat. The only people that managed to turn this into a story is the ***** Daily Mail, by adding in words like 'furious' and 'Muslims' until idiots are foaming at the mouth with outrage. There are more people outraged at this story than there are people outraged with Doritos
      • Daiken, on 02/23/2008, -1/+8only ethyl alcohol is a problem for them. Not all alcohols.
        • senatorpjt, on 02/23/2008, -1/+5yeah, they should use methanol for the muslim doritos.
      • CannibalTom, on 02/23/2008, -1/+2The word Mormon is too similar to the word moron.
    • Henko, on 02/23/2008, -0/+16Yeah, and you know what? 96% alchol distilled water is a very common way to wash machines where foodstuff is packaged or even, in case of candy, created. You can bet your ass there's trace amounts of alcohol in _anything_ that's probably sticky before packaging. I know because I used to work at a candy factory as a teenager (no joke), where the machines would clog up if not cleaned several times a day. And you can't use much other cleaning agents when it comes in direct contact with the food, because of the risk of food poisoning. Also, we'd snatch some alcohol after work, dilute it 50/50 with more distilled water - boom! Cleanest 48% liquor you've ever tasted.
      • omgosh, on 02/23/2008, -0/+4So you stole the alcohol and not the candy?!
    • Zaneris, on 02/23/2008, -0/+14Coca-Cola also contains trace amounts of alcohol, so I guess they're going to have to not drink soda either.
    • theAlice, on 02/23/2008, -0/+5Most lotions contain alcohol.
    • picciano, on 02/23/2008, -0/+5There is likely a higher amount of rat droppings than alcohol in Doritos. Although, I'm not sure that's a good thing.
    • varun1s, on 02/23/2008, -1/+6Check this out. What muslims don't know is that certain tiny amounts of alcohol are found in every cell of their bodies (and made by the body itself). We know that now, but how could've Muhammed known, it was only the 7th century back then.
    • signal15, on 02/23/2008, -0/+4Orange juice contains both ethanol AND methanol. So do muslims not drink OJ?
  • h4ckler, on 02/23/2008, -113/+830Muslims: STFU (honestly) You bitch 100% than all the other religions combined.
    • eLye, on 02/23/2008, -25/+209That's not very "not sensitive to Muslim needs"

      /sarcasm
    • mightydavefish, on 02/23/2008, -155/+23LOL
      Really *****?
      All I ever see is fatass Americans whining about everything around them, including how much muslims whine.
      Given how little Americans listen, the odds are you wouldn't even HEAR a muslim whine over your own bitching.
      • appleann1, on 02/23/2008, -15/+77Jackass.
        You really hate this country, Conservatives, Christians, Jews and whites.
        For someone who is the vilest name caller around here, you are by far the most bigoted, racist commenter on Digg .
        "Fat ass whining Americans". Look in the mirror Jackass.
        • DeadTorrent, on 02/23/2008, -20/+2Assuming he's an American is so ***** typical of Americans.
        • Syphon8, on 02/23/2008, -16/+4Assuming SHE'S American is exactly the same you *****.
        • UglieJosh, on 02/23/2008, -1/+6Something is wonrg with assuming someone named "Dave" is a male?

          Maybe I missed something here?
          • Syphon8, on 02/23/2008, -5/+1Reply disappeared, I was talking to DeadTorrent.
        • jayobear, on 02/24/2008, -0/+2Ahhh the Political Correction Domino Effect: Someone will always find anything you say offensive.

          My view is, and thumbs me down if you totally disagree, that it's completely hypocritical for an American to be upset about being called fatass and whiny when this whole digg post itself pokes fun at the religious practices of a whole religion. Clearly, both parties are idiots.

          Sure radical Islam is ruining it for the rest of them...but radical Christianity has cost the innocent lives of many already (Spanish Inquisition anyone?).

          It's called empathy, I suggest everyone learns what it means.
      • JimmySpaza, on 02/23/2008, -8/+33Actually, Mightydavefish seems to be the biggest whiner of them all.

        You know it's going to be classic Mightdavefish when the posts starts with "LOL", continues with an expletive, and finishes with classic "want some cheese" whinage.
      • silencerider151, on 02/23/2008, -0/+10What about American Muslims? Or are they just not "extreme" enough to count as real Muslims?
      • Renian, on 02/23/2008, -3/+21Whining about the criticism about whining while displaying absolutely no real argument or point whatsoever succeeds only in cementing the stereotype further. Americans do listen, as a matter of fact.

        We listen as you damn sinners in the face of your own sin.

        We listen to the cries of your women as you beat and oppress them.

        We listen as you strap yourselves with bombs and kill countless innocents.

        We listen to the mourning of a child over the loss of his mother, his brother, his home.

        And we listen to the sobs of the families you have destroyed in the name of a god you claim to be the same as the all-loving Father.

        Don't tell us we don't listen. We've heard enough.

        (Full disclosure department: I have a Muslim friend who is cool. But that's because he doesn't do the above. And if this rant seemed a little overboard...well, he pissed me off.)
        • ICanRead, on 02/23/2008, -9/+3Definitely overboard.
          I hope it wwas cathartic at least.
        • Chassit, on 02/23/2008, -10/+1Good job at being a moron.
        • uzkhan1, on 02/23/2008, -4/+0Yeah your an idiot.
          • Renian, on 02/23/2008, -0/+1Reread that sentence.

            Then, retake elementary school English.
        • blate, on 02/23/2008, -2/+1So you admit that there is at least 1 Muslim that isn't a suicide bomber. That's a start...
        • bstew22, on 02/23/2008, -5/+4" i have a muslim friend who is cool"

          lmfao. wtf does that have to do with anything? and i saw a black man down the road and waved.. guess i'm in with the black community now.
          • Renian, on 02/23/2008, -1/+1Fail. A person waving and you and establishing a personal relationship with that person are two completely different things.

            Unless you become friends with every guy that waves at you. Remind me not to wave at you.
          • HeyLew, on 02/23/2008, -0/+1RENIAN DONT NEED YOUR TECHNICALITIES. BSTEW22 GAVE A GOoD EXAMPLE OK!
      • agarc, on 02/23/2008, -0/+8Lots of generalizations here. That should make everyone feel great.

        My understanding is that the so called "Muslims" who really hate us, actually hate all of the western world.
      • toliseju, on 02/23/2008, -0/+13Go blow yourself up
      • CannibalTom, on 02/23/2008, -2/+3Go eat a bacon cheeseburger and die (from heart disease)!
    • EmileVictor, on 02/23/2008, -39/+71Honestly, I don't think they bitch more than any other religion. The reason being that the media has an interest in stories related to 5 Muslims having a bitch. They couldn't care less about the Amish/Christian/Buddhists having their own bitches about the world for different reasons.

      It's in our nature, but the media's playing up the whole muslim thing too much, and fostering animosity (which is a real shame).
      • SaladCactusKing, on 02/23/2008, -10/+12No, they ARE bitching more than any other religion. Combined.
        • sparsely, on 02/23/2008, -0/+3No, it's just being reported more now, and for a reason. To create just the "MUSLIMS STUPID ARRGHH" atmosphere and mindset you fools are falling into.
          Is there any hope for America when its people will read a couple of sensationalized, crap articles which highlight only the most extreme views of a religion, and just jump on the hate bandwagon?
          • Sidzilla, on 02/23/2008, -1/+2There is bitching, and then there is bitching. I don't mind if they complain. I don't care if they sue someone for not properly labeling a product. When Muslims complain they tend to riot, kill westerners, and generally go Jihad on our asses. Pardon us if we think that is a bit too much. For the record, I know most Muslims are peace loving adherents to a religion that at least calls for a modicum of self control instead of the Christian 'safe in the arms of Jesus so pass the Budweiser' doctrines.
      • KaJuN4, on 02/23/2008, -1/+15Funny you should mention the Amish. In all the times I've come in contact with them they are, hands-down, the nicest and happiest people I've ever come across.
        • FutureGuy, on 02/23/2008, -4/+1I think he forgot to add /sarcasm
        • h4ckler, on 09/09/2008, -0/+1Yeah when they're not running their puppy mills. ;)
      • FutureGuy, on 02/23/2008, -1/+4I wish it was that simple. But it seems like Muslims do bitch about pretty much anything that against their very narrow beliefs and worse if you object you might lose your neck, trying being a liberal writer in any of the Muslim countries in the world, hell try to write anything objectionable to Muslims and you would need 24/7 security for the rest of your life.
      • highstriker, on 02/23/2008, -0/+1I'd agree, but for your comment to be true, then people would have to stop putting imbeciles such as the Westboro Baptist Church members on the news...
        Although it probably is true that Muslims get hit a little harder at times.
    • ZeroOrDie, on 02/23/2008, -27/+10Not Muslims. Brainwashed Islamic Muslims.
      • Enasni1212, on 02/23/2008, -4/+13Islamic Muslims? Is that like a Christian Catholic or something?
        • neko6, on 02/23/2008, -1/+4Muslim - follows Islam
          Islamist - demands everyone follows Islam

          These definitions have become popular enough to be used...
      • Justice101, on 02/23/2008, -4/+5No, people are just as responsible for not making their own decisions and following *****. As the Nuremberg Trials showed, I was just following orders, is not an excuse. I highly doubt there "brainwashed" just to lazy to think for themselves, along with about three quarters of the world.
      • PoeticExplosion, on 02/23/2008, -3/+9Islamic Muslims? As opposed to the Jewish ones?
    • FiP0, on 02/23/2008, -10/+58Try getting your news from other sources, Digg likes sensationalism, not accuracy.
      • kingmanic, on 02/23/2008, -5/+14"Digg likes sensationalism, not accuracy."
        Unfortunately so does CNN, Fox news, MSNBC, ABC news, the BBC, the CBC, Xin Hua, and just about all other news agency. If you want accuracy in your news your gonna have to do it yourself, everybody else normally ***** it up.
        • tattertech, on 02/23/2008, -0/+9Well said. Sensationalism sells, and modern media is in the business of selling.
        • shakbhaji, on 02/23/2008, -0/+5Reuters?
      • unitedstatians, on 02/23/2008, -3/+2"Digg likes sensationalism, not accuracy." that's only if you browse the political or OS centric sections.

        And for those interested in "other [news] sources": Links from around the World - for the ultimate news junkie. visit here http://www.abyznewslinks.com/
    • Alfonzo, on 02/23/2008, -10/+63Holy crap, h4ckler, do you really think all muslims are freaking out about this? Sounds like a couple of douchebags are hunting for a lawsuit. The way this article is written is obviously aimed to perpetuate the image of the 'furious muslim with no reasoning'. This is not news, this is bullsh*t.
      • Iconoclast25, on 02/23/2008, -8/+5Alfonzo, 'furious muslim with no reasoning' is the reality, not an "image."
        • omgosh, on 02/23/2008, -1/+2Ermm... I'm Muslim and I think I'm a pretty reasonable guy. I mean this story is stupid but it would be unreasonable in itself to base your judgment of a large group of people based on the actions of a few. Also you only see the stupid actions because they are the only news worthy ones :)
        • Alfonzo, on 02/24/2008, -0/+1That is one of the saddest things anyone has ever said to me. . . maybe there is no hope for humanity.
      • uzkhan1, on 02/23/2008, -5/+0Actually, some have never touched or drank alcohol in their lives. Finding out that a bag of doritos might have some form of alcohol in it can be very upsetting to some. That may not matter to you at all and it may sound absurd but the world is a big place, step outside of the bubble the states keep you in.
      • L4WL3RS34L, on 02/24/2008, -1/+1Well, seeing as 180,000 Muslims bitched about a picture on Wikipedia....then yes, I do this most Muslims "are freaking out about this."
        • Alfonzo, on 02/24/2008, -0/+2Well, that's very small minded of you . . .
    • StolenLamp, on 02/23/2008, -22/+19***** 'em.
    • joeroot1, on 02/23/2008, -9/+53I cannot believe how unbelievably ignorant digg has become. Firstly the article has been written by the Daily Mail, which is recognized by the majority of British people perpetuate extreme right wing rumors whilst also being extremely sensationalist. Furthermore the article seems to claims "Muslims" have this opinion, when in fact one shop owner and a few idiots on a council kick up a small fuss about small traces of alcohol in crisps. The majority of Muslims do not care and will never care. The article is merely trying to paint the picture that all muslims are over-sensitive and are trying to change Britain to suit themselves, and as usual the masses of ignorant racist diggers leap upon this article screaming "OMFG why do muslims always bitch so much". The irony that Americans, who reside in a country notorious for suing over minor issues have the cheek to complain when one muslim shop keeper asks a crisp manufacturer to label their crisps as having tiny traces of alcohol is hysterical.
      • uzkhan1, on 02/23/2008, -1/+4good point
      • chakan2, on 02/23/2008, -3/+0The reason we care so much about one muslim bitching is because now it's a bomb threat. It takes one seriously ***** up individual to stereotype a whole group, and muslims for some reason produce a lot of those individuals. (See the cartoonist who is going to live the rest of his life in fear because he drew Mohammad once).

        And believe me, if you want to piss of the American public, take away our doritos.
        • Danial, on 02/23/2008, -1/+1Oh yeah, because there aren't any right-wing wackos who want Ward Churchill and Michael Moore dead?
      • ConceptJunkie, on 02/24/2008, -0/+2"has become"? Digg has been unbelievably ignorant since Day 1.
    • senatorpjt, on 02/23/2008, -17/+14What? Christians bitch more than anyone. They're a majority of the country yet they're always complaining about being persecuted. Of course, they consider it persecution when they go to a store and some sign or person says "Holidays" instead of "Christmas." Countless Republicans run for office and many win by complaining about this "persecution."
      • mirunit, on 02/23/2008, -2/+2You realize the world is larger than the United States, correct? Just because Christians are the majority religion in America, Islam is the fastest growing at the moment - and has a strong presence in parts of Europe and a bastion in the middle east. You really need to read more international news to really get the picture, because whatever you are doing isn't working.
        • senatorpjt, on 02/23/2008, -0/+1Since I'm in the US, I can only comment on what I observe.
      • Zera, on 02/23/2008, -1/+2Yep, every group of every type of people has some tiny tiny proportion that makes outrageous claims for one reason or another. Just think of the Doritos claims as the counterpart of those crazy religious people who go around celebrating at military funerals.

        The fanatical fringe is ALWAYS to be ignored, and certainly not generalized as the norm.
    • Hurricane, on 02/23/2008, -9/+7Backtrack a few hundred years and look at how much christians bitched.
      In fact you dont hear as much bitching by christians nowadays because they always get their way.
    • Sicari1, on 02/23/2008, -5/+5Since when was the base of this site a bunch of people who make stupid sweeping generalizations about groups of people?
    • pimpofpixels, on 02/23/2008, -7/+2Gotta hand it to the propaganda machine. Now there's a whole bunch of people who just can't wait for an excuse to run their mouths at the expense of Muslims. I find it really disturbing.
    • chyya, on 02/23/2008, -5/+5damn muslims are starting to sound like sue happy americans now
    • flapanthers87, on 02/23/2008, -3/+4Amen.They need to shut the ***** up already. Nobody cares about your religion or any other for that matter.
    • erkokite, on 02/23/2008, -1/+2You forgot a couple zeros in your percentage figure.
  • jcm267, on 02/23/2008, -94/+434They should stop trying to change Britain. If they don't like it then maybe they should go back to where they came from.
    • card51short, on 02/23/2008, -64/+22you're right...how dare they voice their opinion...you can't just say what you want in the new West.
      • jcm267, on 02/23/2008, -18/+57Well considering that most of these people weren't even ***** born in the country, they should learn to live in Western society. Society doesn't need to adapt to them.
        • mightydavefish, on 02/23/2008, -45/+8So some people get a say by luck of birth, and the other can ***** off?
          THERE'S that moronic rightard mentality.
          Are so you ***** dumb you'd still think the same way if you were getting the ***** end of the stick?
          I doubt it.
          Careful, your selfishness is showing.
          Classic rightard.
          • jcm267, on 02/23/2008, -9/+39Again mightydavefish fails to put together a cogent argument. These people were born into a different culture with completely different values than ours. If their culture is better then why not stay where they came from? I know that you hate Western Civilization, but some of us like it and would prefer it if those who came here from around the world assimilated to our culture. They really shouldn't be going around trying to shove the norms of their old culture down everyone else's throats.
          • appleann1, on 02/23/2008, -7/+23"So some people get a say by luck of birth, "
            So, you're admitting we're lucky to be born in the West.
            Try moving to the middle east and see how much say you have.
            Not having the LUCK to be born there.
          • lickmylovepump, on 02/23/2008, -6/+9Slowww down there champ. nobody's suggesting that you have to give up ***** your sister. we all get the '*****-end of the stick'. it's called freedom of speech. we just don't bitch and cry like little girls like you and your muslim posse do.
          • rdaly92, on 02/23/2008, -2/+5please
            stop
            talking
            like
            this.
          • senatorpjt, on 02/23/2008, -1/+3Maybe the reason there are so many ***** places in the world is because when a place gets *****, then people with the means to leave (and probably to improve it), leave. Fortunately, I live in the USA, and every place that's better is pretty hard to get into.
        • FiveSix, on 02/23/2008, -13/+6Wow the fact you got got 46 diggs makes me ready to finally leave digg it is turning into a xenophobic intolerant race to the bottom..
          • SaladCactusKing, on 02/23/2008, -5/+13Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
        • counterplex, on 02/23/2008, -3/+6Ironically, most of these people are probably born in Britain. Western society is theirs as much as it's any other Westerner's.
        • Ravatar, on 02/23/2008, -2/+5Like how the pilgrims learned to live in our Native American societies when they came to America?
      • card51short, on 02/23/2008, -23/+16doesn't matter where they were born...if they are accepted as legal citizens of the country, they have just as much right to be there and voice their opinion as people who were born there.
        I think you have some deep Muslim hatred you need to work on there.
        Do legal Mexican-Americans have the right to express outrage and change policy in America? Or are they secondary citizens for not being born here?
        • jcm267, on 02/23/2008, -10/+21When card51short is doing a much better job constructing an argument than you are (looks at mightydavefish), then it's time to quit digg. I just want to let you know that I don't hate Muslim people, I just hate Muslim culture. Legal Mexicans should have just as much of a say as anyone else. Unfortunately, many of these legal Mexicans are either legal because of Amnesty or because they were born here. I think we need to end birthright citizenship.
        • RomeyRome, on 02/23/2008, -3/+18"Do legal Mexican-Americans have the right to express outrage and change policy in America?"
          We're talking about a product here. A product they choose to consume. Not an enforced "policy" by the government.
          • sparsely, on 02/23/2008, -3/+1Food labeling is overseen by the FDA, so yes, it is government enforced.
        • lickmylovepump, on 02/23/2008, -6/+12at least the mexicans don't bitch and whine about the god-damn potato chips. we don't have any hatred towards the muslims, just their ***** up beliefs of forcing their religion down our throats. you, however, LOVE the islamic *****. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
        • Syphon8, on 02/23/2008, -2/+7What's wrong with hating Muslims?

          I also hate Christians, Jews, Pagans, Zoroastroists, and Rastafarians.
      • superPipo, on 02/23/2008, -2/+10They can express their opinions freely but also have to freely bare the criticisms those opinions receive... like said comment.
      • agimat, on 02/23/2008, -4/+2crap. wrong thread. digg down pls.
    • thespudmall, on 02/23/2008, -38/+10Muslims, Britain's not so bad equivalent to Mexicans
    • FiP0, on 02/23/2008, -36/+69I hate people using the word "they". It's the first step towards racism & clichés....
      • bthug7, on 02/23/2008, -10/+29Sharia law, have you heard of it? If I was from the UK I'd be pretty pissed too. If you don't know what it is it basically is a muslim group that thinks they deserve to be outside of British law and should only obey their own religious law. In the United States we have Amish, Mormon, etc. They have rules stricter then the nation at large and they can enforce them how they want. There is a difference between that and trying to get the federal government to dual enforce their law and the national one. Without background info, JCM seems like a bigot, if you have background on the situation it's a different story.
      • fires, on 02/23/2008, -3/+29Hmmm, and starting a sentence with 'I hate people' is the epitome of tolerance...
        • FiP0, on 02/23/2008, -4/+2I know, right ?
          In my defense, I hate a sentence, not a group of people based on the region their parents f*cked.
        • FiP0, on 02/26/2008, -0/+1Also, I didn't say "I hate people". I said "I hate people using that word". There's a difference.

          It's kind of like me saying "I don't like you writing that sort of drivel", which doesn't mean "I don't like you".
      • picciano, on 02/23/2008, -2/+5Um, yeah. They really get to me too.
      • mchugh22, on 02/23/2008, -4/+5***** you.
      • highstriker, on 02/23/2008, -0/+5Last time I checked "they" was simply a pronoun. Granted- it can be used in such a sense, but in the case of this comment there was no connection made from "they" to "all Muslims". "They" was used to describe the idiots complaining about the potato chips that they chose to eat, and can now choose to stop eating.
    • LowROI, on 02/23/2008, -25/+13What the ***** are you getting dugg up for?! No one's trying to "change Britain". They want an alcohol free bag of chips! Much like someone with peanut allergies would like a "sans peanut" bag of chips. I agree that they should just shut up about it, but they have the right to complain, just like you're doing now. Except you're being a total bigot about it. Don't want muslims in your country? I'm sure they didn't want the English in theirs for 300 years either. You made your bed, Britain.

      Digg me down you ***** hypocrites.
      • Mesmorize, on 02/23/2008, -6/+11Because instituting Sharia law is not changing Britain.
        • LowROI, on 02/23/2008, -6/+5Oh I'm sorry I missed that part of the article. Could you please point it out for me?
          • Mesmorize, on 02/23/2008, -6/+6I see you've also been living in a tent in the desert for a couple years. Why don't you google it, pretentious asswipe?
          • LowROI, on 02/23/2008, -5/+5I'm aware of what it is, I also know that it had nothing to do with the article.
            From what I gather, the muslims would like doritos to:
            1) Make a note on the packaging that says "these crisps may contain traces of alcohol"
            or
            2) Extract the flavor via another method so that the crisps meet the "alcohol free list"

            RTFA before you start yammering on about tents in the desert and asswipes. This problem could easily be rectified without Sharia Law even coming into the equation.
        • xerosawyer, on 02/23/2008, -2/+4Didn't an English archbishop support it? shut the ***** up then you idiot.
          • Mesmorize, on 02/23/2008, -2/+2No. He said it was inevitable because Muslim minorities are so radical.
      • bthug7, on 02/23/2008, -4/+2Would it be safe for me to use your logic and assume that their is going to be a massive African American rebellion because our bed was made when slavery was a common institution. Injustices happen and I along with pretty much everyone else wishes they didn't, the thing is if everyone in the world was like you then we would be living in an immature pity party. Forgive and forget, progress comes from learning from history, not the history itself.
      • TheChihuahua, on 02/23/2008, -3/+14No, because last time I checked alcohol is not potentially lethal to Muslims.
        I believe in freedom of faith, religion, speech, whatever, but dude, British Muslims are really pissing me off. There does seem to be a consistent attitude of wanting their adopted nation to bend over backwards to suit their requirements, systematically abusing the hospitality shown towards them.
        Oh, and enough of this "most Muslims are just ordinary decent people yada yada" it don't wash any more. If these people really gave a ***** why are they allowing themselves to be represented by bigoted organisations such as the Muslim Council of Britain?

        Bottom line - I don't hate Islam. I just hate assholes, no matter what creed, faith or colour.
      • floridiot2, on 02/23/2008, -3/+5White, black, muslim, jew, who cares... ***** all religions. All religion does is separate us.
    • myass666mlong, on 02/23/2008, -13/+4in the smelly caves !!!!!!!!! ***** MUSLIMS CMON PPL LETS STAR WITH DISCRIMINATION .... TO OUTPUT THIS SCUM OUT OF EUROPE , IS THAT WHAT USA WANT TO INFEST EUROPE WITH MUSLIMS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      THEN TO SAFE US FROM THEM BUT INVADE , ITS SO EVIDENTE !!!
      • showat, on 02/23/2008, -0/+0You are ignorant as *****, sir.
        • fajitamelt, on 02/23/2008, -0/+0Ignorant, or just dumb? You people use that word so much it has lost its meaning.
    • LingNoi, on 02/23/2008, -10/+18I'm sure that some Muslims were born in England, stop being racist.. You wouldn't be telling vegetarians to run back home would you, if they use it then they should put it on the damn ingredients list.
      • Vidd, on 02/23/2008, -3/+11Vegetarians aren't trying to force their cultural identities on other people.
      • oxdeltaxo, on 02/23/2008, -2/+8Yes some were born in England but they can go and enjoy islamic law in one them nice middle eastern countries. Keep religious law out of the west.
      • highstriker, on 02/23/2008, -0/+3Please read the article. It clearly states that they did *not* add the trace amounts of alcohol themselves. Which means the company probably didn't even know that it was in their products.
        So yes- if vegetarians made a huge fuss over an honest mistake, then yeah- I'd say they're just as much of an idiot as the people making a fuss here. I wouldn't say they should leave the country, but I would say that vegetarians have no business demanding that a company change their ingredients just for them. If you find out something contains something that you by choice won't eat, then find a different food product that you can eat. Simple as that. No need to make a huge deal about it...
    • lovecss, on 02/23/2008, -6/+1I wish I could give you more than one digg.
    • saynotocensors, on 02/23/2008, -12/+19The fact that this comment has 171 diggs currently says a lot for the racism on his site.
      My neighbour is muslim and third generation British. Where would you expect 'them' to go back to.
      It's a simple requirement that you should know what is in the food you buy. Whether you choose to avoid things for religious or health reasons doesn't matter that is your choice and you should be able to make it.
      This is a sensationalised story spun by a racist newspaper to pander to the ignorant, hence it seems to have gone down well with most people on this site.
      • sat0shi, on 02/23/2008, -6/+3Unfortunately, no matter how many generations your family has lived in some place, if you do not look like the majority of the people living in that place you will be considered a foreigner, an outsider, and you will be looked down upon for the rest of your days. This is the unfortunate reality of the pathetic nature of human beings, as we can see by some of the diggs for these racist bastards.
      • iamollie, on 02/23/2008, -1/+2he's not being racist hes just saying if you decide to live in the UK for the benefits here dont come and complain about our culture, if we went to iran and complained about not being able in a bikini and then got put in jail thats our fault
        • leexy, on 02/23/2008, -2/+1Hang on a second...you actually equate demanding proper labels to changing your culture?