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- datagod, on 10/13/2008, -9/+185Treat me right, you just may get 30% tip. Treat me wrong, you get nothing. I am the customer, here to spend my hard earned money. I will treat you with respect and be friendly and courteous to you. I expect the same. If you forget my order, and make me wait an extra 20 minutes, then you suck and I will not give you a bonus.
- Canumbler, on 10/14/2008, -8/+121I live in Australia. Tipping is not really part of the culture here. Unlike the US however we do ensure that people are paid a living wage.
- samoan27, on 10/13/2008, -15/+115Why should I tip someone, for a job I am capable of doing myself. I can deliver food, I can drive a Taxi, I can and do cut my own hair; however I did tip my uroligist because I can't pulverizse my own kidney stones.
- Shivan57, on 10/13/2008, -2/+88I used to serve, and it was a really fun job, but the pay sucked. Most people (including my own mother and father) didn't realize that I only made $2.19 an hour at the time, and figured all wait staff made minimum wage. They were surprised at the truth, but they always tipped accordingly anyways (20% or more, generous people). I was never upset if someone didn't tip me, but I tried to give my best service as possible. People should do their job and do it to the best of their ability, not work for a reward. Some people are just cheap (my ex-girlfriend, and yes, her cheapness was part of the reason she's an ex...) or jerks and won't tip at all but you can't determine this before you start serving them. Some countries don't allow tipping (China) but pay their staff accordingly. My opinion, if you don't like your sever, ask to see a manger. Your server takes an order and brings you your food. THAT'S ALL. You don't like the food? Ask to see a manager. Didn't get the right food? Correct the sever, or ASK TO SEE A MANAGER. They will fix the problem immediately to your fullest content.
BUT! If your server is an incompetent *****, and the manager does nothing to aid this, then screw 'em! Maybe they'll learn a lesson... mostly likely not, but at least you keep your cash. - Husky217, on 10/14/2008, -5/+86You were burned by your kitchen crew, not the customers.
- AmazingSteve, on 10/13/2008, -3/+71***** that. I got into it with a restaurant manager not 3 weeks ago when the bill came with the 15% gratuity already added to the bill. Our waiter that night was a nasty little prick that would get pissed when we had the audacity to ask him for something. You know, like cutlery or water! The manager dug his heels in and said that the gratuity had to be paid or he was calling the police. I dared him to do it and he caved. Extreme example but there are some wait staff out there that deserve nothing more than a swift kick in the ass at the end of the meal. On the flip side, I'll throw down 20 or 30% for a good server, and I'm not talking about standing on your head for it, just do the job well. I know some places pool tips at the end of the night and THAT is when the rest of the staff should be weeding out the non-hackers.
- inactive, on 10/13/2008, -4/+63Tipping Scene from Reservoir Dogs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBFUDbOldMs - inactive, on 10/14/2008, -4/+56I hate how restaurants pay their servers ***** wages and expect everyone else to make up for it. I don't see any kind of fairness in that situation...
- dvsbastard, on 10/14/2008, -2/+48The tipping system should be about promoting and rewarding good customer service... A tip should not be expected... It should be earned.
That said, it should not be about ensuring someone gets paid, and if service is ordinary, this doesn't mean that the waiter should only receive slave wages. They are still doing there job and they still deserve a respectful income - they are just not going beyond the call of duty...
In Australia, although waiters don't get paid massive incomes, they still don't have a complete income reliance on tips and can still make a reasonable living without them - however, a friendly, efficient and helpful waiter stands to make a lot more money.
This is how this system should be... - topgigmedia, on 10/14/2008, -0/+44Simply communicating the delay to the customer (e.g. "I do apologize, our kitchen staff [explanation]. Can I get you anything?") goes a long way.
- fluidfoundation, on 10/13/2008, -1/+42A lot of babies have been born from playing that game.
- GorfTron, on 10/14/2008, -1/+42I hate the useless prick in the restroom who wants money for tearing me a paper towel. WEIRDDDDDD>>>>!!!1!!
- dezweber, on 10/13/2008, -6/+45Maybe play a little game called "Just the Tip"?
- NomortaL1, on 10/14/2008, -3/+39i love japan. no tipping required and the service is outstanding
- Gnarstache, on 10/14/2008, -2/+36I think it's retarded to see tip jars at fast food places like Subway and Taco Del Mar...WTF seriously?
- Haoie, on 10/13/2008, -1/+33Many countries, actually, don't have a custom of tipping anywhere.
Kind of curious, really.
Travel books about the US always recommend you leave something like 15-20% for restaurants, taxis, etc. - StuartGibson, on 06/14/2009, -1/+31Do you go over to a table that's going to be kept waiting and apologise, ask if there is anything else you can get them in the meantime? If not, you're not doing your job. Waiting staff should be attentive, unintrusive and always ready at a moments notice.
If not, they are doing a sub-par job and will get a sub-par tip. If they only do the bare minimum (ie take the order and bring the food) then they don't get tipped.
As a caveat, I'm in the UK where we don't have the same tip culture as the US - inactive, on 10/14/2008, -3/+32I absolutely refuse to tip - anywhere, any time. I also refuse to pay "compulsory gratuities", and have taken restaurants to court over this illegal practice.
Restaurants need to charge sufficient to cover their costs, pay their staff properly and make a profit. It's not rocket science.
It's entirely wrong for waiting staff to have to rely on the largesse of customers to make a living wage.
My family owns two restaurants, and we ACTIVELY REFUSE tips - we pay all our staff very well (way above the norm), and they work hard because they want to keep their well-paid jobs. - IndustrialJones, on 10/13/2008, -0/+29There have been some waitresses I'd play that game with.
- jeffkee, on 10/14/2008, -1/+26Yeah I understand your point of view, but here are my arguments:
1. In Vancouver, for the most part, restaurant tips are split between the servers, bussers and cooks. So at the end, it becomes a collaborative effort. If the line cooks mess up then the waiters take a hit together.
2. My biggest pet peeve is short-staffed restaurants. If the service is slow due to short staffing, I tip less. This is how I see it: If a waiter has 10 tables per hour which give him half the usual tip, it's the same tip as getting regular tip from 5 tables instead. If I feel that the service is spread thinly, I will spread my tip just as thinly.
3. When the restaurant is NOT busy and it takes me a while to order my first pint or appy, then the possibility of a good tip diminishes rapidly. There's no excuse for that. - GunOfSod, on 10/14/2008, -0/+24Dont tip in non tipping countries, we dont wish to go down the road of barbaric minimum wages.
- Klisk, on 10/14/2008, -2/+26The biggest ***** is eating at a diner... Or perhaps not eating.
Example:
If I go out with my 3 friends, and we all go to a diner, I usually have a rule: I don't eat out, because I don't want to tip, and I don't want to spend money on food I didn't prepare myself.
I will, however, join you at a diner and simply chat while you eat. I, personally, won't indulge in anything at all.
Here's the problem, though:
I've been to several diners in NJ that charge a "loitering fee". Meaning, if you sit down at a table with your friends, and one of the people doesn't order any food or drinks? They get charged a 5 dollar "loitering fee" just for being there. I refuse to pay it, my friends refuse to pay it, it's almost always a huge scene because there's a 5-dollar-minimum just to sit at a table in a diner.
Obnoxious. - pavanb500, on 10/14/2008, -2/+26Simply put:
You're overhead
I'm profit
Act accordingly - BradleyNowell1, on 10/14/2008, -3/+26It's a viscious cycle. Waiters assume I'm just a kid who isn't going to tip well, so they give me ***** service, forcing me to leave a lousy tip.
- vpshockwave, on 10/14/2008, -0/+23No, let him stay on his "high horse". He has a perfectly valid point. Paying waiters ***** $2 an hour or whatever (below minimum wage being my point) is stupid here in the states.
- noahgelman, on 10/14/2008, -0/+22In Japan its a little offensive to tip. They believe that they get payed respectively for the job they do and getting extra for it impolite. Its an awesome society they have. I wished I lived there.
- wiseman08, on 10/14/2008, -10/+32As a server I can tell you that ticket times are mostly beyond a server's control, as it deals with the kitchen crew. They work on an hourly wage. Just remember not to take your anger out on the server, most of the time we do what we can to get your food out fast!
I've been burned so many times by customers when I had nothing to do with their bad experience. - wrathofg0d, on 10/14/2008, -2/+23"You were burned by your kitchen crew, not the customers."
Yes - nathos, on 10/14/2008, -4/+23You do realize that in the US, restaurant servers are paid *less* than minimum wage, right? Tips make up the majority of a server's income.
- ChromaVita, on 10/14/2008, -0/+18Personally I tip more based on attitude and effort than by time. If the kitchen is backed up and my food takes a bit longer than normal I usually won't take it out on the tip, but if you give me attitude, or are completely unapologetic about it, don't expect a perfect tip.
- duggdowncatisad, on 10/14/2008, -2/+20One time I got such bad service at a restaurant that instead of tipping actual money, I just left a bunch of Federal Reserve notes.
- dpmcalli, on 10/14/2008, -0/+16Thats a ridiculous law and needs to be changed. Here in the UK everyone makes minimum wage and there's not a culture of expecting tips.
- erikerikerik, on 10/14/2008, -3/+19yeah, well "mandatory gratuity" in England can bite me. Gratuity is supposed to be a gift. not automatically tacked on.
- magicRob, on 10/14/2008, -4/+20Why not just pay the staff more and increase the price? Then you wouldn't have to tip.
The service industry in most countries have prices that include the costs of running a business, ie paying their staff, amongst other thing... so leaving a tip is actually a bonus.... - TheEntitled, on 10/14/2008, -3/+19LOL.
Canumbler says that in Australia, waiters/waitresses/servers are compensated in hourly wage for what they do not see in tips, and this dude says "your government is just as bad as ours."
Anyone remember Letterman vs. McCain?
Dave: "How many houses do you own?"
John: "Dave, I spent 3 years as a P.O.W.!"
rofl. - GoKings, on 10/14/2008, -5/+21I used to be a waiter for three years, and luckily I lived in California which means I still made $8/hr plus tips. But don't get fooled, waiting is an very tough job, and pretty damn stressful. At a low end restaurant like Applebee's you could have 10 tables at any given time that all want their food instantly and are on their fifth raspberry iced tea. It's a job that is not worth just minimum wage. I like the tipping scheme here in the US, but if the server is absolutely awful you have every right to leave no tip.
I go by:
25% - Amazing
20% - Good
15% - Mediocre
0-10% - Awful - Bega, on 10/14/2008, -1/+16Way to catch the reference, buddy.
- crossmr, on 10/14/2008, -0/+14Dude.. you're from Korea, you should realize tipping isn't normal here, and older people might even consider it an insult.
Tipping isn't normal everywhere.. - carnag3aus, on 10/14/2008, -4/+18haha, how do you people afford to tip, we rarely do in Australia!
- jeffkee, on 10/14/2008, -2/+15@Klisk: That loitering fee is quite shocking. But then I guess you shouldn't be taking up space at a restaurant if you don't want to pay to eat out. That's a double-sided argument in my opinion.
I'm on your side though - sometimes one person is hungry and the other isn't. To have to pay a $5 fee just to be able to sit together is quite pushing. - StuartGibson, on 06/14/2009, -1/+14Is restaurant dining insanely cheap in the US? If my wife and I were to go to a half-decent restaurant in the UK we would pay somewhere in the region of £60, or a bit over $100 and that's without buying alcohol. Do people really give waiting staff $25-$30 for bringing them food for an hour or two, or is dining just a lot cheaper there?
- ButlerMonkey, on 10/14/2008, -2/+15Tipping isn't the standard in Australia. I'm here for the year from Canada and at first it felt a bit odd not to tip but it just isn't something that people really do here. Mainly because servers are paid fairly - they don't need the tips to make a fair wage.
I don't think tipping should be expected - it defeats the purpose of the tip. A tip is a way to say good service was provided - in any case I would assume that the cost of the individual providing the service is included in the cost of the service/food. The worst is when cab drivers don't give you your change, as if they are automatically claiming a tip - right then and there I ask for my change and they just lost any tip I may have been considering giving. - Klisk, on 10/14/2008, -6/+19Eh. My perfect solution:
I no longer dine out. I only make my own food. There is no one to tip. If my friends want to go eat at a restaurant I don't join them just so I don't have to tip. I go home. I hate spending $20+tip just for a lousy meal I could of made for 3 dollars and change myself.
I'm not a douche, though. I feel obligated to tip in a restaurant. I would never NOT leave a tip.
I will, however, personally boycott the restaurant industry and just not eat out. - goldfishey, on 10/14/2008, -1/+14your crappy labour laws are not my problem. You want a tip? Earn it.
- atgmac, on 10/14/2008, -1/+14@snapcase: The tips count towards the wage? Whoever devised that law is a ***** arsehole. It should be impossible to earn below minimum wage, whatever tips you get.
- primary0, on 10/14/2008, -0/+13I live in the Maldives. Tipping would be just plain odd and kind of an insult here. Go figure :S
- Syntaxis, on 10/14/2008, -2/+15A 30% tip? For real? The most we tip in the Netherlands - and yes, I realize there's a term "going Dutch" for a reason - is money that we would otherwise get change for. IE: The meal costs 47 Euro's, we pay with 3 bills totaling 50 Euro's. The change is the "tip" for the waiter. And most of us actually go pay at the counter and wait for the 3 Euro's to be returned to us.
But dude, 30%? Isn't that overdoing it a little? I wish I got 30% for each project I ended successfully. I'd be a friggin' millionaire.. - CrazyChair, on 10/14/2008, -0/+13Agreed. I tell off my friends who try to smugly tip the most mediocre service. I don't want to give restaurants an excuse to start paying them less.
After seeing the convoluted way Americans pay for things, I don't want to go down that road. - mgbuddy, on 10/14/2008, -1/+13That's not my ***** problem....
People shoud be payed for its work, tips are that tips... and 30% are pure extorsion.
Here in spain we only tip for good service (And I mean GOOD, not normal). Or as like that netherlands friend, the change. - Tarantulus, on 10/14/2008, -1/+13you get a tip if you earn it.
but a tip is no substitute for an actual wage. -
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