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- MrEddy, on 10/29/2009, -38/+391I think the point about X being safer than alcohol is not really the big picture here. I think the bigger point is that he is absolutely right. You are never going to scare people into not taking drugs. So the only thing that leaves you with is informing people of their true dangers. And if you misinform them about one drug then that puts doubt about everything else you have been told.
Nobody would argue and say that alcohol and tobacco are not dangerous.. They are absolutely dangerous. Just how dangerous depends on the individual and how it is used. Alcohol is pretty safe for me because i occasionally drink a cocktail at home, that's about it. I rarely get drunk.
Is ecstasy dangerous, I guarantee it is. How dangerous depends on the individual and the use. After many years of life there are things I can tell you for certain (certain in my mind).
Cigarettes - basically worthless drug. You get no real high from it and will just get addicted to nicotine. If you continue to smoke you'll probably die from smoking related illnesses. (I know many many smokers)
Alcohol - If you started drinking too early in life or were a binge drinker in college then you are likely and alcoholic and will always have issues around that topic. It's likely you will die from an alcohol related illness or accident. ( I know many many alcoholics)
Pot - If you started too early and wound up using pot as a coping mechanism to get away from the world then you are probably going to continue that pattern but, its unlikely this will kill you.
Ecstasy - This stuffs gonna keep you up all night and you'll probably wanna get laid while you are on it. Is it going to kill you.. I can't really say. I haven't know many people who have used it but, I don't hear about people overdosing on it either. Nor do i hear of people dying at old age from illnesses caused by it. I don't see a lot of documentaries about people going to rehab for it like I see about methadone clinics. I don't hear about crazed men on ecstasy resisting arrest and killing folk either. So I think used properly it's a relatively safe drug. I don't see these crazed X addicts on episodes of cops and thats the true testimate of a drug to me.. Do you see the drug on cops? If not then its probably not so bad.
Heroin - The ***** will kill you. Once you start taking it just start chasing that dragon until it takes over your life. The high will probably be better than you can possibly imagine.
Crystal meth - ***** will kill you at a minimum it will ***** you up royally. But I bet the high is spectacular.
Crack - ***** will kill you and keep you awake for awhile.
Shrooms - The world will seem pretty interesting, assuming you don't have a bad trip and then all bets are off its going to be a ***** 8 hours. - ironrex, on 10/29/2009, -33/+234I think the missing part of this whole thing is "In what frequency is X safer than alcohol?". Suppose I drink 3 nights a week, with one night being heavy drinking. Suppose I compare that with taking extacy 3 nights a week, one night doing double the dose. Is this really suggesting that the extacy will be less dangerous at that frequency of use? That can't be right.
- Rawclyce, on 10/30/2009, -4/+162The Chair of Neuropsychopharmacology at Imperial College London and head of the Psychopharmacology Unit at the University of Bristol.
- dstz, on 10/30/2009, -24/+143Because ecstasy is an illegal drug, and only very dangerous drugs are illegal. Legal drugs, on the other hand, are bottled sunshine.
Sadly, even for people that see through most of the war on drugs *****, this cultural mindset somewhat stands. Thus, "this can't be right." - ironrex, on 10/30/2009, -10/+116Because ecstasy is a hard drug that contains a lot of chemicals not thoroughly tested for long term effect on humans. A lot of the pills themselves differ from one another and generally you don't even know what you're taking from one time to the next, besides MDMA.
Anecdotally I had a neighbor in college who overdosed and had a stroke, brain damage from the stroke, and now is mentally handicapped to the point where you can't have a conversation with him.
So on the one hand I guess you could make an argument (with a ton of research on every chemical likely to be found in every X pill) that it's safer to take 4 times a week - in a low dose - than alcohol. But I'm more realistic about dosage, and to me you factor in the risk of catastrophic effects, and then it's obvious which is more "Dangerous".
The one that can overdose and kill / disable you is more dangerous. And yes I know you can die from alcohol poisoning, but at least you know what alcohol is, and it isn't cut with chemical xyz. - jeffambo, on 10/30/2009, -2/+95dugg for lcd
- nouman1989, on 10/29/2009, -8/+94Dude,this is some serious *****.Thanks for your insight on the story.
- IronBreakfast, on 10/29/2009, -4/+75I would say pure MDMA at like a point (100mg) is safer than a night of fairly hard drinking, but some of that ***** on the street is just bad. Too bad that chemists stopped caring about the experience and started caring about money.
- yocouchdigga, on 10/30/2009, -20/+89Why can't that be right?
- Gemfinder, on 10/30/2009, -2/+70The effects of Ecstasy can't be nearly as bad as those proceeding from chemotherapy.
Four years ago I went in to be poisoned with oxaliplatin and fluorouracil-5 every three weeks, over a six-month period. It fried my nerves, my tested IQ took a 20-point dive (temporarily, thank God), made my body shuck off calcium right, left and centre, ravaged my immune system, and I still can't feel my right foot.
I'm a chemo survivor. You can't scare me! - borez, on 10/30/2009, -3/+69"it's almost impossible to have a bad trip on shrooms"
Wrong. - Mopbucket, on 10/30/2009, -29/+94I get the feeling you have no experience with these drugs. You think heroin will just kill you? Why? Because you were told it's a "dirty" drug and watched a movie where a hobo overdosed in a dark alley?
Unadulterated heroin is no more dangerous than the other morphine-derived narcotics like hydromorphone, oxycodone, fentanyl, etc. It really only kills people because of anaphylaxis, respiratory failure from overdose, or indirectly from blood-borne pathogens from shared needles. These are all easily avoidable.
MDMA is actually surprisingly safe as well. Deaths are almost always caused by hyperthermia, which is, again, easily avoidable.
You say people need to be informed, then go and spout out the same tired old stereotypes. - fragMasterFlash, on 10/30/2009, -6/+64Reality is my drug of choice. Coffee and beer are merely coping mechanisms.
- MrSparkle666, on 10/30/2009, -8/+64Buried for Daily Mail... again.
Jesus ***** Christ people, The Daily Mail is a TABLOID. It doesn't belong on digg for the same reason that the National Enquirer doesn't belong on Digg. They print FAKE news and present it as real. They are about as credible of a news source as a bag of ***** falling on a typewriter. How many times do I have to repeat myself before you idiots stop posting this ***** and digging it up? - b8man99, on 10/30/2009, -5/+51This is such old news. Basically, alcohol is about the same level as meth for destructiveness of the user and the damage done to society. But it's got a better, more accepted reputation and rich people like it - so hands off!
Arbitrary - nonsensical drug laws. It's been like that since I was born and it'll be the same when I die. - opticwind, on 10/30/2009, -6/+51A) This is from the daily mail. So take it with salt.
B) One of the biggest dangerous of ex is not the drug itself, but getting the bad stuff. There's a lot of ex substitutes out there being sold as the real thing, but often contain incredibly higher dosages of some of the more dangerous chemicals. The danger isn't the drugs, it's this stuff. - psker, on 10/30/2009, -2/+44Cocaine is a hell of a drug
- Dugglous, on 10/30/2009, -0/+41I think you mean LED, LCD is a type of panel for monitors.
- Gareth321, on 10/30/2009, -11/+46Actually, yes. The data suggests that regular consumption of ecstasy is safer than regular consumption of alcohol. The same goes for marijuana and LSD. Of course, due to the nature of the serotonergic agonism that MDMA [the typical psychoactive component of ecstasy] induces, regular consumption doesn't yield the same effects.
- SammyboyKIDDAH, on 10/30/2009, -11/+45Heroin WILL kill you. It will take your personality, then it will take your money, then it will take your life. People usually start by snorting heroin. Then you inject it, use it to the point you don't even get high anymore and just need it to feel normal. Then you've got problems. You'll have a $100 a day habit, resort to street robberies, store robberies, anything to get your fix. This can lead to you being murdered for ***** with the wrong people, or going to jail. The personality and money part pretty much speak for themselves. I didn't mention dirty needles, fake heroin, (that you inject) or suicide from the depression when the realization of what your doing comes into play.
- thecoolestguy, on 10/30/2009, -6/+39--Ecstasy - This stuffs gonna keep you up all night and you'll probably wanna get laid while you are on it. ---
Sex-drive declines significantly while on ecstacy. - StrangeFamous, on 10/30/2009, -1/+32Yeah, well you had to pay into the insurance/medical industrial complex to get your chemo, so it's okay. But don't you DARE smoke that joint to relieve the nausea!
- inactive, on 10/30/2009, -0/+31This is coming from someone with some experience with this drug. Your common "exstacy" pill (known as "Thizz" near the bay area/central valley in california) is usually cut with meth, or speed. Don't throw me any heroin or coke bull, it wouldn't be profitable for the dealers if they cut it with those, because they cost more than mdma costs. So yeah, your common exstacy pill can and will ***** you up if you take it over long periods of time.
NOW, if you buy "Molly", which is a simple term for pure mdma, then the drug is a LOT more healthy for you. When you are on the drug, and coming off the drug (and heck, the next day), you can 100% feel the difference between what people call "Thizz" and pure mdma.
The more you know? - AMD64MM, on 10/30/2009, -1/+31Haha, well played :)
- tryptonaut, on 10/30/2009, -0/+30Damn dude my monitor is getting me so high right now! 24" LCDs are potent!
- transapien, on 10/30/2009, -0/+29Mopbucket is very correct from an intellectual perspective heroin used in moderation does very little damage to your body. The problem is that very few people that use heroin have an intellectual perspective on it. Street heroin can have impurities which are actually definitely worse than the heroin. Pure heroin overdose itself is fairly uncommon - http://www.peele.net/lib/heroinoverdose.html.
In the truest sense the fact that it is illegal results in the most dangerous aspects of the drug, the impurities the dirty needle etc. other than actually being addicted but I've known some people who've done it and gotten away from it only to look back with a sense of "that was good but I don't really need to do it anymore" - woofers07, on 10/30/2009, -1/+30Seeing how ecstasy is basically a 4-5 hour long mini orgasm, there's not much need or desire for sex.
- tootim, on 10/30/2009, -2/+31It was used to help white people dance.
- Frostek, on 10/30/2009, -0/+29That lightweight? I've seen him down the pub - he just can't handle his booze! ;-)
- Redmo0n, on 10/30/2009, -0/+29wooooosh
- Juntistik, on 10/30/2009, -4/+32Testing kits ARE made available to the public. You just have to pay for them. They are pretty cheap too...
/smart drug user. - Gareth321, on 10/30/2009, -3/+31It's not the chemists doing that, but the suppliers. If you have a kilo of MDMA that costs US$5 per gram, and a kilo of chemical X [let's call it some form of tryptamine like 5-Meo-DET] which costs $60c per gram, mixing the two and then reselling as pure MDMA will increase profits by a wide margin. It's both an illustration for why the "true" free market it a fallacy and hence why regulation must exist, and why legalisation and government oversight insofar as quality control exists is so important.
- a2love, on 10/30/2009, -14/+40who gives a *****. smoke pot and stop whining.
- StrangeFamous, on 10/30/2009, -1/+26So is cannabis, so why is it illegal?
Not really directed at you - just asking that question to the world. - Mopbucket, on 10/30/2009, -8/+32holygram- No, I'm saying if you aren't allergic, heroin won't directly kill you unless you overdose. By the way, you can overdose on lots of OTC drugs too, but they aren't considered to be so sinister.
Sammy- Sure, and alcohol WILL kill you. You'll lose your job for being drunk, then start giving out handjobs for beer money. Then you'll realize you don't like giving out handjobs so you kill yourself. Or you'll hop in a car after a half gallon of whiskey and get in a crash. Or you'll get shot in a liquor store robbery (see how retarded these kinds of arguments are?)
All the peripheral stuff is *****. Heroin doesn't MAKE you engage in risky activities, being an idiot does. - captininsanity, on 10/30/2009, -2/+26I don't understand the public's reaction against psychedelics. They have little to no physical effects, and you will never find an addict or overdoser on LSD or shrooms. Sure people can use them to try and escape from the world, and that's not healthy psychologically. People will find their escape from reality through any means they can. For that matter how about people who play WoW 16 hrs a day? The purpose of psychedelics, when not abused, are to explore ones mind to see what there is on that side. Why is this so wrong?
- gossumx, on 10/30/2009, -1/+25what's misleading about the title?
An expert did say that an alcohol is worse for you than ecstasy. - windmillium, on 10/30/2009, -0/+24It's interesting that in your studies to become a chemist your teachers or books never once explained that personal biology and psychology can affect the effect of drugs.
Overdosing is one of the risks of using drugs, you can't say that heroin doesn't kill people, that's like saying war is perfectly safe unless someone shoots you. - sexypeon, on 10/30/2009, -14/+38I'm sorry, but you're terribly misinformed about several of these drugs.
Shrooms: Believe me, it's almost impossible to have a bad trip on shrooms, these things make you happy as *****. I've been unable to stop myself from laughing almost every time I try them. I've experienced what first love feels like again, and an unbelievable connection to nature that I never felt possible. Now LSD, that's when you can have a bit of a freaky time.
Crystal Meth: This also isn't as bad as it's played out in the media to be. I've tried it a quite a few times. It basically makes you feel like a god for 6 hours. It's fine if you have some willpower but the comedown is pretty harsh. You know what we give our kids to treat ADHD? Amphetamines, it's Methamphetamine with one more carbon base on it.
Crack: Basically coke that's concentrated. Makes you feel like a god for 10 minutes. It's pretty easy to get into the whole "crack scene" though and become addicted to it fairy quickly if you don't have a lot of willpower.
Heroin: Heroin doesn't kill you. (Unless you OD, or catch AIDS from sharing needles, either way you're retarded) Actually it's not even toxic. It does have a high addiction potential however. I've tried it a few times (IVed once, snorted 3 times) and believe me, it's pretty easy to see how you wouldn't care about anything anymore if you started taking it a lot. You're kind of right here though, IVing heroin does provide some of the greatest effects of a drug ever, just snorting it or smoking it gives you intense, nice, warm body high.
MDMA (Ecstasy): This drug I would actually recommend to people who are depressed (unlike alcohol) just because it changes the way you see things while sober. The main danger of this drug is how unlikely your pill is going to be just pure MDMA. The chances of you going to a rave and buying a 100% pure MDMA pill is pretty much 0.
And about you saying cigarettes are a worthless drug...They're not. If you inhale correctly they give a pleasant head rush that works wonders with many other drugs.
Sorry, I'm studying to become a chemist, and I love to experiment. I can't stand that misinformation is so widespread though. DARE did a good job with this generation. - jumbalia, on 10/30/2009, -1/+23People really need to learn the different between Ecstasy and MDMA.
Often ecstasy will contain one or more of the drugs supposedly worse than alcohol, so how can it them be better than alcohol?
Yet another reason to legalize all drugs - so people can buy pure MDMA instead of pills containing MDMA and god knows what else. - youareretarded, on 10/30/2009, -2/+22I'd say moderation is what determines whether or not something is unhealthy or not.
Hell, too much water could kill you! - americanoboy, on 10/30/2009, -2/+21someone done get served.
- Gareth321, on 10/30/2009, -3/+22sychodelix, the only thing that alcohol can help is your heart; and that is still a debatable piece of data. The slipside is that alcohol increases [by a considerable margin] the risk of just about every major cause of death there is. That's from cancer right through to Alzheimer's. Alcohol, without a doubt, is much more harmful for you than it is beneficial - in any amount. It releases acetaldehyde, a poison, into your body. Acetaldehyde is a close relative of formaldehyde.
- catalysis, on 10/30/2009, -0/+17Wow, I didn't realize there were so many biochemists on digg.
- PanicAK, on 10/30/2009, -6/+23Alcohol is a time honored tradition in many cultures. They call it spirits for a reason. I don't care how bad it is for you, it's awesome stuff.
- markosfunk, on 10/30/2009, -0/+16I think MrEddy had a decent summary. Just for fun and info exchange, I'll make my own dangerous drugs ranking
TOP 12:
1, Meth: staying up for days, rotting, addiction, disgust, psychosis, and death
2, Barbituates: old and outdated for a reason, dangerous, very easy to OD on, take benzos instead
3, Heroin injection: numerous health risks, heavy addiction potential, and possible OD.
4, Cocain/Crack: besides making douchebags even greater douchebags, there's addiction, possible OD, and health risks
5, Snorting Opiates in order: Heorin, Methadone, OC, the Others: doing this occasionally can rapidly lead to addiction, the route is risky and has potential for OD.
6, Tobacco: you can't breathe, it ***** kills you
7, Painkillers in general
8, LSD/Mushrooms/PCP/Hallucinogens and Dissociates: the mental health risks here are outstanding. It's one thing to have a bad trip but a psychotic break could cause post traumatic stress and host of other long term neurosis to psychosis.
9, Alcohol: OD possible, bad hangovers, addiction potential, bad for health holisticlly if done excessively
10, MDMA- If it's pure (which may be difficult to know for sure) then the risks are lower than the above, stay hydrated. Addiction potential, if it's pure, is low. Be careful not to take too much if you are on certain RXs.
11, Benzos- Xanax and Clonapin can be addicting. And people should never take way too many.
12, Marijuana- even the article says there is a low risk for psychosis in some people, paranoia/neurosis for many people
So what are you gonna do? Moderation is the best practice. Exercise releases "high" chemicals naturally. Caffeine (not too much) and B vitamins can be pleasant.
... - InactiveUser, on 10/30/2009, -0/+16I have never seen an E user collapse at the ticket machine and then stagger into the path of a train, get in a car and kill a wife with 2 children - get 1 year in jail and walk free.
I have seen E user die because the manufacturer put too much ***** in it and the user was not supervised correctly or aware of what they were going through. The E user could be saved simply through regulation and taxation. The drunk is too violent to deal with. - Lefts, on 10/29/2009, -6/+21It's funny because it's apparently a legitimate argument that alcohol and tobacco aren't dangerous compared to the other drugs because the other drugs are illegal.
In any case, Heroin, Meth, and Crack are probably the worst. Marijuana is probably the least dangerous of the recreational drugs, along with a few others. Everything else is fairly subjective though, cigarettes are only dangerous in long term, whereas alcohol relatively isn't. - transapien, on 10/30/2009, -2/+17It's offensive that people have such a closed mind to actual evidence. This is information which has been known for some time I might add.
The relatively commonly known chart - http://www.udel.edu/chem/theopold/chem465/copland. ... - CommunistPizza, on 10/30/2009, -4/+18Drrrrunk as fauuck right nao. This is noot goodd you guys...
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