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- sustainablogger, on 06/24/2009, -2/+19Go Greenpeace! It's so important that we protect and restore these forests...
- c0mputar, on 06/24/2009, -0/+11"Marfrig’s moratorium was a smart move in more ways than one–the World Bank recently canceled a $90 billion loan to Bertin because of its involvement in Amazon deforestation."
That would be the real reason. - cl2yp71c, on 06/24/2009, -2/+13You know what the means for the average consumer?
More expensive steaks.
I still support the effort. - tfdixie, on 06/24/2009, -1/+8Interesting story. I'm not sure which bothers me more -- pro-slaughter or anti-deforestation.
- gaymathman, on 06/24/2009, -1/+5Most of Greenpeace's actual effect happens behind closed doors; they developed a more efficient, toxin-free refrigerator design that is now prevalent in home appliances, and is being adopted by many stores, including Wal-Mart. And I can basically guarantee that the World Bank pulling a 90,000,000,000$ loan was a much more important factor in their decision than marches or protests; that is probably an example of behind-the-scenes activism that actually does something.
- EddiePotato, on 06/24/2009, -0/+4Give me convenience, or give me death!
- askantik, on 06/24/2009, -0/+4...
Forests are carbon stores/sinks. What makes you think forests emit more CO2 than O2?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_sink#Forests - Subduction, on 06/24/2009, -0/+3Anyone who has tasted tofurkey knows you're anything but an elitist.
- ghatid, on 06/24/2009, -0/+3Not eating meat is not a choice for people who like to enjoy eating.
- kaelyiesta, on 06/24/2009, -0/+2Agreed, ghatid. Activism to inform and change societies values will always be better solutions than those of violence. The force and threats of regulation and the fear and pain of terrorism are always destructionist approaches to solving problems.
- eliseville, on 06/25/2009, -0/+2More expensive steaks will be much tastier than what might exist with Global Warming.
- gaymathman, on 06/24/2009, -0/+2You're pretty authoritative and snobby about something that you obviously know nothing about, they developed a REPLACEMENT with less nasty coolant:
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-30154651.html - gaymathman, on 06/24/2009, -1/+3It'd just be more representative of the true cost of those items...
- ghatid, on 06/24/2009, -2/+4Green Peace needs to learn that doing smart things (researching the connection between Amazon rain forest deforestation and various companies) works better than terrorism, which just makes people hate them.
I'm impressed that they are improving our world, but overall, my feelings of Green Peace are that they do more harm than good. For example, from Wikipedia, "In September 2008, 6 Greenpeace activists who damaged a chimney at a power plant in the UK were declared "not guilty" of property destruction by a jury because they argued, through James Hansen who supported them in person,[31] that they actually prevented greater property destruction due to climate change.[32][33]"
And the reason why their charges were dropped are completely retarded...(proving problems of the jury system). - gaymathman, on 06/24/2009, -1/+3Lets not forget that Greenpeace is also against using bleach to disinfect water supplies, which is a cheap and safe way to clean drinking water in poor countries (or rich countries, though they can often afford more advanced systems)
- Subduction, on 06/24/2009, -2/+4Sure, why not!
Greenpeace has been active in recycling education initiatives and community programs all over the world for over thirty years. Even though you made the decision to recycle yourself, the recycling infrastructure that you decided to participate in, and your perception of the need, was built and encouraged by Greenpeace and organizations like them.
That's the good thing about community efforts -- everybody who participates gets the credit. - eliseville, on 06/25/2009, -0/+1DESTRUCTION DOES NOT EQUAL TERRORISM!
If claiming terrorism or violence, please state the physical danger to people, not just to property! - emjaymj, on 06/24/2009, -0/+1For the most part, yes, but it is not universal. I think I might have given the wrong idea, as the rainforests usually ARE a carbon sink, but not always. The Amazon is particularly fragile as a carbon sink.
http://planetearth.nerc.ac.uk/news/story.aspx?id=3 ...
http://www.scidev.net/en/news/drought-threatens-am ...
http://www.biogeosciences.net/6/937/2009/bg-6-937- ...
http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2009/03/06/ ...
http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:n_FUxn02eCEJ:c ...
Look for pargraphs like:
"The 2005 drought — triggered by warming in the tropical North Atlantic rather than el Niño — resulted in a net flux of 5 billion tons of carbon dioxide (CO2) into the atmosphere — more than the combined annual emissions of Japan and Europe — relative to normal years when the Amazon is a net sink for 2 billion tons of CO2."
or
"Researchers have demonstrated for the first time that rainforests cannot always be relied upon as carbon sinks, and could accelerate global warming during drought."
If you need more sources, google has hundreds - askantik, on 06/25/2009, -0/+1I hope you're being sarcastic. This "unpopulated land" is rain forest...
- Spire3660, on 06/24/2009, -1/+2ITs really hard to take Greenpeace seriously when they are out ramming whaling boats. If i was a sea captain and another boat intentionally rammed me, i would summarily execute the entire crew. You dont ***** around on the high seas like that.
- nickem, on 06/24/2009, -2/+3WTF?? There are no beef for sale on newly deforested land. It takes years to raise cattle. This is a PR stunt as far as I can tell. Once they are raised and ready for market, it's no longer "newly deforested".
- Niubai, on 06/24/2009, -1/+2I've always said something like this (in other words).
It's quite easy for the first world countries, after have burned down most of their own natural resources, to point fingers at the countries in development.
Of course it's important to preserve the Amazon, but alternate ways should be found, and not just "DON'T DO THIS, DON'T DO THAT". Brazilians do not want to destroy their nature, but they want better jobs and better conditions of life, like anyone. - eliseville, on 06/25/2009, -0/+1Solar cookers are completely effective, dramatically less toxic, save trees, and protect women from dangerous excursions, but where are they?
- diggydougie, on 06/24/2009, -3/+4Here's how it works when this happens. The "new" beef will be sold to other markets that don't give a crap, and the beef from the "old" ranches will go to us. Nothing will change in the end.
- askantik, on 06/25/2009, -0/+1Tofurkey isn't THAT bad, heh. I don't eat it except on Thanksgiving, though. Gotta love the faux turkey giblet gravy.
ghatid: I enjoy eating more than any single person I've ever met. Trust me. Not eating meat or dairy has led me to try so many things I'd never even heard of before. Even if meat and dairy could be made synthetically, I don't think I'd go back.
Tempeh, amaranth, quinoa, seitan, couscous, wheat berries, spelt, among other things. Indian food and Middle Eastern food are both wonderfully spiced and have excellent dishes that are meatless. Real Mexican food is guacamole, pico de gallo, refried beans, corn tortillas, so I don't miss out there, either. Italian food has a ***** load of cream and/or cheese, but I can still enjoy some pasta primavera. And SE Asian food: Chinese, Japanese, Thai. Man-- I do love some spicy food. And a vegetable sushi roll with some spicy dipping sauce can be quite amazing.
I'm also an amateur chef. I enjoy making homemade breads, curries, pizza, and grilling food. I'm telling you man, it's been over 2 years since I had dairy and 4 years since I had meat, and I don't miss either of them. It may sound hard to believe, but it's true. I never realized how many different foods there were out there that, without having an excuse (like not eating meat), I'd never have tried them. There are plenty of great vegan chefs out there, but I have to say that some of the best cooks I've ever met are Buddhists and Jains that don't eat meat. Oh, man!
Sorry to ramble on and on, but it's a pretty big insult to me to say I don't enjoy food :) - dumass4u, on 06/24/2009, -1/+2I guess Hippies really can make a difference after all.
- bobartig, on 06/24/2009, -1/+2Really? GreenPeace "developed" hydrocarbon refrigerants, which were invented over 100 years before GreenPeace's inception, and commercially produced since 40 years before them? That's impressive!
- kyloe, on 06/25/2009, -0/+0If you ever want to prevent the 'inevitable', you must first develop a sophisticated body of perversion.
Those who stand and defy
And others ignorant to why
To know a petri dish cult
Moving to a dictated jolt
Said to redeem all disaster
It's 'our precious' lives at stake
We must 'over here' break!
Lives will come, lives will go
Members never all this to know
And so this ?-"peace" will stand
Untouched, forever, ever, thereafter. - EddiePotato, on 06/24/2009, -2/+2Both are sustainable if done responsibly, and quite harmful if not.
- ChickenMcTest, on 06/24/2009, -2/+2Why not both continue eating a reasonable amount meat for the health benefits. AND continue profiting from converting unpopulated land in South America into efficient, job producing, people feeding farm land.
- EddiePotato, on 06/24/2009, -2/+2Let me clarify my statement:
Both animal husbandry and timber harvesting are sustainable if done responsibly, and quite harmful to ecosystems if done irresponsibly.
Now you all should go back to your respective hemp-hut vegan communes. - askantik, on 06/24/2009, -2/+1What is harmful about not slaughtering animals or cutting down trees...?
BTW, tfdixie, your comment doesn't really make sense. What, exactly, are you saying? - ChickenMcTest, on 06/24/2009, -2/+1I don't see why every one is all QQ about the stupid ass rain forest. It is being converted into agricultural land, the same thing that happens in every developing country. This is how wealth is created. We out to be cheering them on and selling them tractors. Instead we cry foul and sell our selves stupid ass save the rain forest T-shirts.
F the rain forest. It is a waste of space! - inactive, on 06/24/2009, -3/+2Got beef?
but seriously Who cares? - MrSausages, on 06/25/2009, -1/+0"Want proof that Greenpeace activist campaigns actually make a difference?" Well this ain't proof. Unless you can link Greenpeace to the fact that "the World Bank recently canceled a $90 billion loan to Bertin because of its involvement in Amazon deforestation." Bloody propaganda techniques on teh internet? Yes it happens!
mmmm beef.
ps go greenpeace! - skyfyre, on 06/24/2009, -6/+5I started recycling in my home. Does Greenpeace want to take credit for that too? Sometimes people do actually develop good intentions on their own.
- inactive, on 06/24/2009, -5/+3i really hope this is that giant step we needed to start this to this revolution we desperately need...for those who haven't seen the documentary home it really is a good way to spend an hour and a half
http://digg.com/d1szTG - arownious, on 06/24/2009, -2/+0I don't think it's Americans, it's simply the liberal retards American freedoms allow to be produced.
We could save our country's problems and maybe the world's by simply removing guardrails from bridges, and taking the signs off of hot coffee machines.
The gene pool will then clean itself out. - askantik, on 06/24/2009, -5/+2While it'd be easier to just not eat meat for a plethora of reasons (environmental reasons being just part of that plethora), I commend even small steps like this.
Sorry to sound elitist, but ***** has to be said. - emjaymj, on 06/24/2009, -4/+1Where did he even imply global warming?
Besides, anybody with a bit of knowledge knows that the rainforests on the whole consume more oxygen (and release more CO2) than vice versa. If you want to protect trees for the sake of global warming, the arctic taiga is by far the most important area. - walruspanzer, on 06/24/2009, -8/+4I am about protecting rain forests and the oceans because it makes sense - not because of politically driven arguments regarding global warming.
- FakingFamous, on 06/24/2009, -12/+4haha they said "beef"
- nmanguy, on 06/24/2009, -11/+2What the crap, this better not raise the prices for steaks, ox tails, broth, etc.
