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- dazparkour, on 07/06/2009, -1/+72People complained about wifi signals causing similar symptoms and used it in a protest against city wide wifi.
HOWEVER those same people, when tested, had their symptoms when they were next to a modem that had it's firmware modified to blink the lights when the wifi was OFF and to show no lights when the wifi was operating - the result - they complained the wifi was doing damage to them because the LED's were blinking and made a show of how much better it was when the LED's stopped blinking (and the wifi actually started to operate). - neillawson, on 07/06/2009, -5/+67If the media never told them about infrasonic waves, they wouldn't have headaches.
- directedition, on 07/06/2009, -2/+39"For example, unpleasant sounds make people more uncomfortable than pleasant sounds, even at the same volume."
Captain Obvious strikes again. - jugglingjon, on 07/06/2009, -1/+33A 76 year old man is experiencing stiff shoulders, headaches, insomnia, and hand tremors. And he's blaming the windmills.
It sounds like this guy needs to resign to the fact that he is old. They casually mention other similar symptoms in other patients, but they picked a pretty questionable subject to interview. - Winkleman, on 07/06/2009, -5/+34What's worse.... people getting sick from infrasonic waves or people getting sick from breathing in smog?
- apastafarian, on 07/06/2009, -9/+34This message was brought to you surreptitiously by the gas and oil industry. Windmills may hurt someone somewhere, so we should stop using them and burn more fuel that causes pollution that hurts everyone. This is the same type of campaign that the US medical industry uses to prevent any form of health care reform. Middle of the paper and blog reports that someone somewhere in a (European) country with socialized medicine was refused a procedure so we should keep using a system that grossly overcharges and provides little or nothing to millions. The term is FUD...Don't fall for it!
- insanebrain, on 07/06/2009, -0/+21So they don't suffer from wifi waves but from blinking LED-disease.
- stayputnik, on 07/06/2009, -1/+22It's true... studies have been done on people who complain about "pain" caused by cell phones. These people claimed to be in extreme discomfort even when exposed to FAKE cell phones that were made of wood and had no electronic components.
http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSCOL4 ... - LuckieGWFresh, on 07/06/2009, -20/+38This smells of conservative agenda. It stops just short of saying, "We should all switch back to oil and 'clean coal'".
- jamdogg, on 07/06/2009, -2/+17I think I will put up with infrasonic waves over open cast coal mining, belching smoke and river water diversion.
- RiotHeart, on 07/06/2009, -0/+15Because financial ability to move = intelligence?
- RiotHeart, on 07/06/2009, -2/+16Build them in the ocean, arrrrrrr
- gcnaddict, on 07/06/2009, -0/+12Sounds like an awesome study. Link?
- faskill, on 07/06/2009, -1/+13I say we feed them peanuts and install multiple wireless routers in their home... and what other things can we expose them to that people bitch about but are actually fake?
- Jack9, on 07/06/2009, -3/+15Next in the news, Pinwheels banned due to health concerns? Nonsense.
- namochan, on 07/06/2009, -1/+13Or people getting sick of some people whining about everything?
- xenuxenuts, on 07/06/2009, -0/+11it's called LED poisoning
- inactive, on 07/06/2009, -1/+11Who here can say "Nocebo effect"?
- pinchduck, on 07/06/2009, -0/+10Everything we do to the planet has some side effects and consequences, some intended and some not. It's fine to note the bad effects of a power source, but compared to spewing carbon into the atmosphere, this isn't really all that bad.
- collution, on 07/06/2009, -0/+9Darwin? Hardly.
- Junkyarddawg, on 07/06/2009, -1/+10Cellphone radiation and EM radiation from electrical appliances.
- ptoomey, on 07/06/2009, -1/+9I'm more inclined to believe this than the claims that some people are "sensitive" to electromagnetic waves. I had a Chevy Suburban than would create a strange pressure pulse if you drove with only the front driver or passenger window down at highway speeds. Crack any other window and it was fine but there was some strange resonance thing going on when only one window was down. You couldn't hear it as a sound but you could feel it like a low frequency thumping. It made me feel almost motion sick and was extremely unpleasant.
- FearlessFreep, on 07/06/2009, -0/+7"This message was brought to you surreptitiously by the gas and oil industry..." in Japan
- dazparkour, on 07/06/2009, -0/+7http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2008/06/santa-fe-wh ...
http://digg.com/odd_stuff/Discrimination_Ban_The_W ... (Page 404's now, but the comments might be interesting)
I'll fix it if I find it. =o) - mbtria, on 07/06/2009, -1/+8Nothing is without consequences. Windmills also kill birds and bats. It is just a question of which set of sequels society is willing to accept.
- KahRahTay, on 07/06/2009, -3/+10*you're
- WasabiBomb, on 07/06/2009, -0/+7Actually, air being forced into a closed container (like a car in the situation you described) is a well-known way to produce infrasonic sound. I've experienced it, as well.
- dicketj8050, on 07/06/2009, -4/+10We can fix this, we have science.
- stayputnik, on 07/06/2009, -0/+6studies have been done with cell phones, showing a bogus correlation:
http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSCOL4 ... - geesamba, on 07/06/2009, -0/+5The ice thing you mentioned is interesting. Link?
The argument of "because it's made of steel (which requires the use of coal), we shouldn't make it" is bunk. The amount of coal burned in a coal plant for power 24/7 for 30 years vs the one-time burning of coal to make the steel used in the creation of a wind farm doesn't even warrant discussion. - shanealeslie, on 07/06/2009, -0/+5You've just described the issue in a way accessible to most laymen. I'm one of those hard science rationalists (albeit with a hug-the-tree bias), and from personal experience with vibration generating equipment I can understand what the people mean when they talk about the windmills making them 'feel ill'....
I used to get periodic headaches and nausea at work, and I tried all sorts of things to try and fix it - changing the temp and airflow in the room, switching from florescent to incandescent to LED lighting, stopped drinking so much coffee, and so on and so forth. Eventually one of the other employees left, and I inherited some of his duties, and discovered that one of the departmental back up schedules to the giant rack of SCSI RAID drives in the next room coincided with my symptoms. It turns out that the racks had been bolted to the overhead supports for the drop ceiling, which were attached to the aluminum struts in the walls around my room. The backup servers and storage arrays, and the Data Entry Clerks 'office' had been built within the larger structure of the warehouse as a semi-free standing structure. Whenever the backup schedule fired up one the Arrays that happened to be racked and bolted 'just so' it would create a vibration that resonated throughout the entire structure. That resonant frequency was what had been making me feel ill. I had a couple of other people from the warehouse come in when it was occurring, and about half had similar symptoms, half didn't notice a thing, In the end all it took was throwing a couple of foam rubber shims in between the rack and the support struts before they attached to the frame of the enclosure to dampen the vibrations, but if I hadn't inherited the backup scheduling duties I may never have become aware of the root of the issue.
Not everyone is going to suffer from the windmills, but some are. As an energy-consuming culture we do NEED to switch as much of our energy generation over to things like wind and solar as we can, we just need to try and have a little consideration about where we place them, and how they are going to affect the quality of life of those in the area. - crackrockutah, on 07/06/2009, -0/+4God damn it, I think your on to something. Especially since the neo-cons control Japan.
- billricardi, on 07/06/2009, -1/+5Excellent. Lets get these boys and girls into a lab for a double blind test to see if they're for real or if they're full of BS. While they're failing there, we can ask them what objections they have to wind turbines out at sea and the high atmospheric wind generation, so we know what other laughable stories to expect!
- psion01, on 07/06/2009, -1/+5Prove it.
- AaronS2000, on 07/06/2009, -2/+6*Karl
- psion01, on 07/06/2009, -1/+4I wonder ... having a false response to a placebo doesn't debunk a response to the actual stimulus. It's possible that in the study you mention, subjects have a stress response to the activity lights in the expectation of discomfort from the signal.
I put little faith in the complaints some people have against wi-fi, but I'd want to see a double-blind study with no indication (real or placebo) that a signal is present before I'm absolutely convinced they're experiencing a hysterical response. - sumdog, on 07/06/2009, -0/+3There are problems with Wind. Birds dieing (some companies claimed to have solved this by lowering the turbine speed), bats lungs exploding (the vortex causes a pressure imbalance in the lungs for some flying mammals) not to mention the damage from deforestation.
Hydro power causes massive sediment buildup behind dams and destroys fertile farmland. Also, fish ladders don't work anywhere near as well as the power companies claim they do. Salmon populations still have trouble adjusting in some rivers.
Ever 'clean' source of energy has an environmental impact. - Junkyarddawg, on 07/06/2009, -0/+3Make sure your windmill emits infrasonic sound in the brown noise range.
- RiotHeart, on 07/06/2009, -1/+4Science rules!!
- MiracleBlue, on 07/06/2009, -5/+8...what?
- jeffwmartin, on 07/06/2009, -1/+4He moved there 17 years ago. The windmills are newer. Maybe they should move.
- WasabiBomb, on 07/06/2009, -6/+9@Chairboy- "For every Virgin Mary statue on the dashboard of a republican car I see a hard core democrat with one of those dumbass 'anti radiation stickers' on their cell phone."
What, really? I've seen plenty of dashboard saints... but I've NEVER seen an anti-radiation sticker on a phone. - frieddonuts, on 07/06/2009, -0/+3Not to mention the record levels of childhood asthma.
- groo68, on 07/06/2009, -2/+5They can't just keep moving every time a wind power plant it built near their homes. The city should just pay for shielding or something.
- gheide, on 07/06/2009, -0/+3The 6+ engine diesel train going by my house causes infrasonic waves - they vibrate the hell out of everything... maybe I have a medical problem...
- peteypapa, on 07/06/2009, -4/+7wtf is an anti-radiation sticker?
- inactive, on 07/06/2009, -2/+5Yep, because conservatives run the mainstream media, right?
- Vthumb, on 07/06/2009, -0/+3Bolt a set of chairs at the end of each blade and call it a Ferris Wheel?
- MikeBarber1, on 07/06/2009, -0/+3Next they will be saying that Wind Farms are making "the brown noise" and people are crapping their pants...
- xenuxenuts, on 07/06/2009, -0/+3or the owner of the windmills could pay to move the people who are close enough to suffer issues. That would probably be MUCH cheaper for everyone involved.
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