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- BullHunter, on 10/28/2008, -2/+14Then the Uranium Cartels will be in power rather than the Oil Cartels. Bad luck, Haliburton!
- brett1337, on 10/28/2008, -2/+14***** e cars are so easy theyre just bein kept down by the man
- tortlord, on 10/28/2008, -1/+10China, the last bastion of environmentalism
- ledsam, on 10/28/2008, -0/+5I really don't think they care how goofy or wacky they look. They drive motos and rickshaws out of necessity because the average Indian can't afford fuel for a bigger car (if the fuel is even available), not to mention getting around in anything bigger than a rickshaw is near impossible. India and China will accept electric vehicles because it's a viable and cheaper alternative over the long run.
- SquigglyP, on 10/29/2008, -0/+4right NOW fossil fuels makes up a certain percentage of electricity, yeah. Not all of it by any stretch of the imagination. Hydroelectric plants and nuclear power produce more in the US if I recall. But there are constant gains being made in technology that are allowing us to tap more and more into the solar, wind, tidal and other potential power sources that would be much less impacting that fossil fuels.
Besides, by your logic all cars are stupid, because they all burn fossil fuels individually. You think having millions of roaming electric plants burning fossil fuels is better than having a few larger ones or something? - leerayIG88, on 10/28/2008, -1/+5why can't we just fly to work? You know, like Superman. It's cheap and green friendly..
- Raptor235, on 10/28/2008, -1/+4I like the idea of electric cars but not on hygrogen... plugin hybrids are the way to go...
Look at Alternative Fuel Conversion Kits for Your Family Car
http://www.hybridmile.com/alternative-fuel/alterna ... - fluxion, on 10/29/2008, -0/+3roaming electric plants burning fossil fuels? wtf dude? we're not dropping gas-powered electric generators in the trunk here..
the power comes from the electrical grid, which can be powered by whatever means: nuclear, wind, solar, etc...technologies that already exist and are already viable. - Ruger11mcrdpi, on 10/28/2008, -0/+2I could see a future where electric cars aren't too crazy of an Idea. where your daily commuter car runs electric, and your family car is a gas-sipping hybrid.
- bosrs1, on 10/28/2008, -0/+2Hopefully if they "save the electric car" it's safer than the currently slew of death trap regular cars they build.
- truck87bp, on 10/29/2008, -0/+2China is going to be clean nuke fueled electricity faster than anyone else on earth.
- Hazardc, on 10/28/2008, -0/+2I love ethanol. It gets me drunk and makes great CHEAP race gas that costs 2-3 dollars a gallon as opposed to 15-20
- SquigglyP, on 10/29/2008, -1/+3I hate when people use 'jobs' as some kind of economic bullet-proof shield. Thinking about losing jobs is a very short-term argument and could very well be a short term argument that shoots down potential longer-term benefits which may actually inculde the creation of just as many jobs, if not more. These huge-ass companies have a lot riding on how 'stable' the market is, and in the auto industry that stability has resulted in several huge companies controlling teh vast majority of the market. It's in their best interest to stagnate teh market for as long as possible. The only reason we're not all neck-deep in an all-electric, all solar, all hydroelectric, all geo-thermal energy economy is simply due to the extreme sums of money these companies stand to make by preventing those technologies from coming about.
These huge auto companies own patents for tons of electric generators, fuel cells and god knows what else... patents that could have revolutionized the auto industry and our entire culture. The only reason they have them is because they bought them from inventive people or smaller companies, and the only reason they ever bought them was to sit on them. Why the hell do people even buy into the hybrid auto idea? It doesn't actually change anything. The oil companies still make a fortune. You think for a minute that if everyone on the planet suddenly had a hybrid car that it wouldn't cost you the exact same amount of money in gas to drive to and from work every week? The only difference is that your electricity bill has gone up due to the charging. Nothing changes in a hybrid auto scenario at all.
There are tons of potential sources of energy that aren't even a fraction of a fraction as impactful to the environment as fossil fuels. The current energy industry doesn't want to explore these because they'd be creating their own doom. They don't pursue solar power. Know why? Because the research into making solar energy more efficient and less expensinve - so they can make more of a profit from the technology - would allow THEIR CUSTOMERS to buy and install their own solar panels at a fraction of today's cost and at several times the amount of collected energy compared to modern panels. They don't pursue it - even though it could potentially change the way we live and change the world for the better in unimaginable ways - because it would eventually put them out of business. Who would buy energy if you could make your own for nothing?
So yeah, ***** GM and all of these companies stalling technological progress and holding back humanity. - jackabilly, on 10/28/2008, -4/+6know what you are talking about before posting ill-informed garbage. the electric car did not take off b/c of battery technology - which is the same reason it has taken so long to come to market significantly today. petroleum is a much more efficient energy storage mechanism. we're just now tapping technologies to improve the design, but they are costly and not as environmentally pure as you imply. plus, where do you think the electricity comes from?
why f*** GM? for providing jobs? - FaithclubDotNet, on 10/28/2008, -0/+1China is producing a lot of cars for so called American corporations. It does not surprise me that they'd make electric cars seeing as the auto industry was developing them anyway.
- prosciutto, on 10/28/2008, -0/+1yea, it would be sad if GM cut plans for the Volt b/c of the economic situation, and i dont see how merging w/ Chrysler will help GM in the long run, they are too similar.
- SilverBlade2k, on 10/28/2008, -0/+1GM *has* to continue with the Volt.
Their former cash-cows (literally), the SUV and Hummer, have lost their sales, and they are more focusing on more efficient cars.
If GM cancels for Volt, for ANY reason, they are going to be seen as a company that was NEVER serious about an electric car, and only used it as a stunt to get government funding for their failed business. The average car-buyer will stop trusting in GM, and never buy from them again, because they made the Impact (Electric car), and trashed it, made the EV-1, and trashed it, then when to Hummer. If they cancel the Volt, their best option is to fully declare bankruptcy and close up shop.
Their future rides on the Volt. They cancel the Volt, they may as well pack up everything and close down. - inactive, on 10/28/2008, -0/+1Good, China = POWER!!! get it, electric car, power....
- Ch33t0, on 10/28/2008, -0/+1It is a good thing they are considering taking on such a challenge. It can only benefit us all as one.
- inactive, on 10/28/2008, -0/+1yes because the car design has to change a lot when you change the engine type...
- inactive, on 10/28/2008, -6/+7imagine if the electric car had beaten out the model t way back in the day. entrepenuers knew fossil fuels would generate more revenue, and voi la! more problems we could have avoided..
if there's anyone out there who hasn't seen 'who killed the electric car?', then you're not as mad as you should be.. ***** GM - Arthere, on 03/10/2009, -0/+1China needs to save itself first. http://www.creditcardassociate.com/ge_money_bank.h ...
- SquigglyP, on 11/02/2008, -0/+1Toyota and Honda are the exact same way. What would they gain by stimulating growth in an area of technology that directly competes with their business? It would be like Microsoft or Apple funding to develop and market for Linux. They would be idiots to do such a thing, as it would be deliberately sabotaging their current market share. Why do you think Opec isn't throwing money at alternative energy sources? Why else would GM and these other companies go around buying out all of these little companies that have some revolutionary technology only to let that tech rot and never get used.
Why exactly do you think they are hyping up bio fuels or hydrogen as a replacement for gas instead of purely electric vehicles? There's a ***** of money to be made in fuels. There's not a ***** of money to be made in electricity, especially if it turns out that some bright engineers figure out a way to collect sunlight with super-efficiency and with inexpensive materials.
You're a fool not to be angry. They've literally been sabotaging technological progress for decades all for the sake of making the same old ***** they've been shoveling out forever. It bothers me that commercials on TV will rave about some new model of new car that can get almost 30 miles to the gallon. GASP! 30 MPG!? Why is that a huge deal, worth advertising? There were cars 30 years ago that got better mileage than that. Technological progress in this area has completely stopped, but somehow we're all expected to keep being amazed at the same exact crap. I owned a car that got 40 MPG fifteen years ago. That's city driving mileage. It was called a Geo Metro. And they weren't even engineered all that well. A later version could get 60 mpg highway as soon as it rolled off the production line.
Yeah, maybe they weren't the best cars ever made, and they weren't designed for street racing or anything, but you can't tell me that in the nearly two decades since that car was introduced, manufacturers couldn't have found even more ways to bulk up the gas mileage without sacrificing too much power. They simply don't get anything out of it. The company doesn't really give a ***** about fuel economy as anything more than a marketing gimick, anyway, but I'm sure they oil companies have managed to convince them to keep lowering the efficiency of vehicles. The fact that so many cars today are less efficient than cars of 20 years ago - not just the metro, but all kinds of cars. There were tons of cars at the time that all could boast +30 MPG - is telling me that there's some shenanigan's going on. Technology doesn't go backwards very often. It's ususally making things better, more efficient and more powerful. With the auto industry that seems to conflict with reality quite often. - Victorface, on 10/29/2008, -1/+2Most of the electricity in China is generated by coal. This won't turn out well.
- malex, on 10/29/2008, -0/+1Bury and report all spam.
- wonttellya, on 10/29/2008, -0/+1Warren Buffett buys it. I digg.
- inactive, on 10/29/2008, -0/+1And I don't know why people still trust or support GM after what they did to their electric car in America. Also, I don't want an Hydrogen car if I can have a REAL electric car. I prefer to support hybrids instead.
- tjdmall, on 10/28/2008, -0/+1Isnt this the same GM asking for 25 billion from the Fed right now?
- fluxion, on 10/29/2008, -0/+1man, wtf was i smoking. i was responding to squigglyP but apparently i completely misread what he was saying.
- e4digg, on 10/31/2008, -0/+1I agree with Raptor235. Using electricity to make hydrogen, then using the hydrogen to make electricity seems foolish. I think if even a fraction of the money put into hydrogen fuel cell development was put into battery development, we'd have batteries with enough capacity that range wouldn't be an issue.
I have built an electric car myself. I converted a '94 Tercel to run on 100% electricity. If you are interested, you can see the project at http://www.ZeroGasoline.com - inactive, on 10/29/2008, -0/+0@SquigglyP
How does GM stall technological progress? Are there not competing companies like Toyota and Honda that can push this technology? Jesus, the anger. - drdisaia, on 11/30/2008, -0/+0Then let China bail out GM!
- awesome97, on 10/28/2008, -1/+0I don't get it
- jsf21, on 10/29/2008, -3/+0I like the electric cars,but power is little.
From http://www.360beauty.net - Barackalypse, on 10/28/2008, -7/+3The real reason India and China will help drive acceptance is that they are already used to driving around in wacky looking vehicles of questionable structural integrity and even worse aesthetics. From crazy motorscooters to rickshaws to ox driven carts, these guys have actually ridden in vehicles every bit as goofy as most of the electric cars available for purchase.
- moothemagiccow, on 10/28/2008, -5/+0The electric car is a STUPID idea. Electricity doesn't come from a hole in the wall, it comes from plants burning fossil fuels.
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