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- mcquitty, on 07/16/2008, -7/+39How can those deaths be attributed to Global Warming/Climate Change when we've been having heat waves for... forever? Which ones are GW/CC related and which ones are weather related?
- inactive, on 07/16/2008, -6/+27I understand burying a story because it is inaccurate or spam. But it doesn't make sense to bury a story just because you don't like the submitter. This is an important story; it needs more visibility.
- FuryOfThor, on 07/16/2008, -19/+40Like Bush would have listened to a bunch of smarmy nerds, with their "facts" and "logic." Totally not his style.
- monoa, on 07/16/2008, -1/+17The list can be summarised by the author of it, Lawrence Solomon: "I ... noticed something striking about my growing cast of deniers. None of them were deniers." - http://www.canada.com/components/print.aspx?id=12d ...
1. A detailed look at this list:
* Dr. Edward Wegman, a mathematician, said "We were not asked to assess the reality of global warming and indeed this is not an area of our expertise."
* Dr. David Bromwich - his research is based primarily on single site assessments at Amundsen-Scott Research Station. He does not deny the reality of anthropogenic climate change.
* Prof. Paul Reiter is a medical entomologist (he studies insect-borne disease) and therefore has no training in climate science. He has not denied the reality of global warming, he has merely questioned the relationship between it and the effects on mosquito-borne diseases. He sits on the council of an organization called the 'Annapolis Centre for Science-Based Public Policy' which has received $763,500 in funding from ExxonMobil.
* Prof. Hendrik Tennekes is a retired aeronautical engineer. He has provided no evidence to counter the accepted scientific consensus, and seems mainly concerned with the effect of turbulence on climate models.
* Dr. Christopher Landsea has said "we certainly see substantial warming in the ocean and atmosphere over the last several decades ..., and I have no doubt a portion of that, at least, is due to greenhouse warming."
* Dr. Antonino Zichichi has made a career out of controversy. He is widely ridiculed in the scientific community for his error-strewn publications.
* Dr. Zbigniew Jaworowski is criticised by Professor Hans Oeschger who says that some of Jaworowski claims are "drastically wrong from the physical point of view".
* Dr. Tom V. Segalstad - he provides no evidence for his claim re. "most leading geologists". He claims "Man's contribution to atmospheric CO2 .... is small" and has, again, provided no evidence for this claim which runs counter to all other measurements (atmospheric CO2 has increased from 315ppm to 387ppm in the past 45 years). He collaborates with the discredited Dr. Jaworowski on many of his published articles.
* Dr. Syun-Ichi Akasofu - "it is in the best interests of mankind to reduce the rate of increase of our release of CO2 ... Prominent climate change is in progress in the Arctic"
* Dr. Claude Allegre - 20 years ago in "Clés pour la géologie", he wrote "By burning fossil fuels, man increased the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere which, for example, has raised the global mean temperature...". He now says "The cause of this climate change is unknown".
* Dr. Richard Lindzen is also a member of 'Annapolis Centre for Science-Based Public Policy' which receives major funding from ExxonMobil. He also works for 'Cato Institute' - again funded by ExxonMobil.
* Dr. Habibullo Abdussamatov - his claims that solar activity is the main contributor to climate change have been discredited - http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bb ...
* Dr. Richard Tol, an economist, does not deny the reality of anthropogenic climate change, he has merely debated the economic impact.
* Dr. Sami Solanki - "since about 1980, while the total solar radiation, its ultraviolet component, and the cosmic ray intensity all exhibit the 11-year solar periodicity, there has otherwise been no significant increase in their values. In contrast, the Earth has warmed up considerably within this time period. This means that the Sun is not the cause of the present global warming."
* Prof. Freeman Dyson - "One of the main causes of warming is the increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere resulting from our burning of fossil fuels such as oil and coal and natural gas."
* Dr. Eigils Friis-Christensen does not deny the reality of anthropogenic climate change and says "there is no reason to neglect a contribution from man made greenhouse gases. The question is how much." - http://folk.uio.no/nathan/web/statement.html
2. Many of the people on this list are taken from the discredited Heartland Institute - http://www.desmogblog.com/distinguished-scientist- ...
3. Who should you believe? The handful of discredited or misquoted scientists on this list or the thousands of credible scientists in *every* national academy in every developed country on the planet who say dangerous climate change is happening and is largely due to human activity?
4. "...no remaining scientific body of national or international standing is known to reject the basic findings of human influence on recent climate." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on ...
5. There is another, equally dishonest and discredited, list of 31,000 'scientists' who deny anthropogenic climate change will cause "catastrophic heating". It's known as the 'Oregon Petition' and has been debunked as oil-industry propaganda - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Petition
So, the entire list is composed of lies, misquotes and discredited claims - and this is all the reality deniers have available to them, along with wilful ignorance and dishonesty. Again, the author of the book, Lawrence Solomon, says: "I ... noticed something striking about my growing cast of deniers. None of them were deniers."
Also, Lawrence Solomon, who is not a scientist of any kind, has demonstrated his complete lack of integrity and honesty: http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_display.cfm/b ...
scamerica keeps pasting this list even though he knows it is fraudulent. That makes him some combination of dumb, deluded, dishonest and deranged. - Parapadrifter, on 07/16/2008, -1/+13how can you say that?
- Ninh, on 07/16/2008, -6/+16One might argue global cooling would cause more deaths by freezing and .. yes, surprisingly .. fires.
- prometheanspark, on 07/16/2008, -6/+16Heat related deaths != global warming related deaths.
It also fails to mention that global warming may reduce cold related deaths.
We've gotten to the point where people blame all natural disasters on global warming, and when a volcano erupts or there is an earthquake the media actually has to state that 'global warming probably didn't have anything to do with this event'.
I must say though that it's a brilliant strategy to frame things such that you can blame the other political party for bad weather. - Chahrlie5, on 07/16/2008, -3/+13It's not global warming, it's climate CHANGE, that way a shift in temperatures either way can be attributed to harmful human behavior and not the dynamic weather patterns of a planet that has been dynamic since the beginning of it's existence, even prior to humans.
- pintomp3, on 07/16/2008, -6/+15the deniers like to trot out "experts", but many of them are not climatologists or even scientists:
Inhofe's "scientists" include economists, the retired, TV weathermen, mathematicians, amateurs and industry spokespeople
http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmental-news/la ...
they also like to point out that many of the scientists make money by studying global warming, there for it isn't true. that's like saying cancer doesn't exist because scientists get research grant money for studying it.
lastly, they ignore the fact that big oil companies offer scientists money to refute global warming:
Scientists and economists have been offered $10,000 each by a lobby group funded by one of the world's largest oil companies to undermine a major climate change report due to be published today.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2007/feb/02/ ... - sparkmonkeyz, on 07/16/2008, -1/+9I hope companies like telegraph.co.uk know those ***** flashing flash ads right in the middle of the page deterred me from reading the rest of the story. Why do sites allow advertising as obtrusive as this? Digg has them sometimes too. http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y208/sparkmonkeyz ...
- inactive, on 07/16/2008, -2/+8Source?
- Badandy127, on 07/16/2008, -13/+19Ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. Human death tolls because of climate change. Here's a hint guys:
Africa and the Middle East has been hot for a hell of a long time. It will stay that way.
Western countries get hot and cold alternatively, and we've developed this thing called air conditioning and heating. It's magical.
Besides, increased CO2 in the air and temperature causes more plant life to exist, thus producing more oxygen. - XTX7X, on 07/16/2008, -1/+6That was the best response to that list I've ever seen. Thank you.
- neognostic, on 07/16/2008, -8/+13And I'm digging you down because you are ignorant.
- malex, on 07/16/2008, -3/+8That's in the report already. Didn't you read the article?
No, of course you didn't, and you certainly haven't read the report. You're the kind of person who doesn't like to have information get in the way of your opinions. You're a lot like the Bush White House in that respect. - Dumbledorito, on 07/16/2008, -6/+11The White House refused to even open the e-mail sent by the EPA as a response to the Supreme Court's ruling on the regulation of greenhouse gasses and projected economic benefits to regulating such emissions:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/25/washington/25epa ...
Nice that the grown-ups are in charge, firmly sticking their fingers in their ears and going "la-la-la-drill-in-ANWR-la-la-la..." - IllBeBack, on 07/16/2008, -0/+5Are you kidding? Anybody can say anything they want on the Internet. It doesn't matter if it's true. As long as it goes with whatever is cool at the moment, it will be accepted.
- Badandy127, on 07/16/2008, -0/+4You're an idiot.
- dOOBiEx213, on 07/16/2008, -0/+4You, sir, are the definition of retarded. Slash your wrists, kthxbai.
- thedogfatherx, on 07/16/2008, -1/+5Boy didn't expect a comment like that.
- exomni, on 07/16/2008, -4/+8Argument from authority, and argument from popularity too, as half those scientists don't study Climate Change in their fields. You might as well as professionals like Tiger Woods on the subject as a physicist or an astronomer.
- inactive, on 07/16/2008, -10/+13Buried as global warming hysteria and spam blather. Maybe the report did indeed get buried...but got buried because it's all based on junk science and environmental politics, not reality.
- norman619, on 07/16/2008, -2/+5Stupidity at it's most stupid.
- Pronoiac, on 07/16/2008, -7/+10You'll get dugg down without a doubt. We absolutely need to cut down emissions and find cleaner fuels, but the easiest way to lose an argument is to overstate it. Fifty years from now when the earth is fine, people who make these claims will be dead or hiding under a rock hoping that no one remembers how much alarmist ***** they were spewing at the beginning of this century.
- smurfsahoy, on 07/17/2008, -0/+2Nothing in this report is a fact. It's all 100% predictive... That doesn't mean it's baseless and meaningless or anything, but please don't imply that it is somehow a fact just because a scientist said it - it's very misleading and in general, this is IMO the #1 problem with the global warming debate.
- loki49152, on 07/16/2008, -3/+5Actually, part of the original Nazi platform was radical environmentalism. The brownshirts basically started out as eco-terrorists.
- DrJG, on 07/17/2008, -0/+2This is NOT about weather, it is about more tsunamis, and so on, perhaps even where you are living?
- DestroyFascism, on 07/17/2008, -0/+2There are lots of these people being missquoted. One scientist was surprised to see his name on the list and immediately began legal action to clear his name.
Don't believe everything big oil and the Republicrats tell you. Climate change is Man made, without question. The best part is we get to become energy independent. In other words, governments will have no choice to drop the pandering to big oil and coal and will have to allow new technology that will provide energy regardless of location, resources and climate. In 10 years or so you will be able to come home to a house that has made money selling energy to the grid, turn on appliances and make toast knowing you are contributing 50% less to greenhouse gases, 100% less to energy suppliers and big town snobs. The money you have is yours and will remain yours.
Japan has managed to create a water splitting catalyst that will allow the unique properties of water to be harnessed. Basicly it takes water, cracks it into component gases and re-assembles them. You can get over 2kw designs already with 10kw in the planning stages. Solar is another area and so is storage technology that is accelerating rapidly. If I went back to the 70's with a common laptop battery capable of producing 24v for 5 hours they would freak out. - DeFex, on 07/16/2008, -4/+6what do they care if people die. if you cant afford air conditioning then you cant afford all the other stuff they want you to pay for. so you may as well go ahead and die.
- Badandy127, on 07/16/2008, -0/+2Affects GCC how? Increased carbon sequestration by more plants existing than otherwise would have if we didn't have as much CO2 in the air. Plant life ISN'T a consant. It's another one of earth's climate regulation attributes.
- bubba9999, on 07/16/2008, -0/+2Keep working to get Jesus back in to schools. That'll fix the problem!
- inactive, on 07/16/2008, -5/+7bush administration = the worst possible leadership for the start of a century!
not only do they consistently lie, they cheat, they bully, and when all of that fails they stick their heads in the sand... or it is it their own asses....
I long for the times when the president would just lie about his extramarital affairs!!! - McShr3dd3r, on 07/16/2008, -0/+2Dox or it didn't happen
- dunderballer, on 07/16/2008, -1/+3The heat waves we see that cause death are from natural cyclical swings in climate. Human caused global warming concerns the average annual temperature and is 1 or 2 degrees warmer than it would otherwise be. a 1 or 2 degree change since the industrial revolution is very concerning but it certainly is not killing people today. Dems want testimony from scientists with the biggest doomsday claims and republicans want scientific testimony from scientists that dismiss global warming all together. Same old story. Keep politics out of science.
- serif69, on 07/16/2008, -0/+2"The sender has requested a return receipt confiming that you have read this message. Would you like to send?"
"No." - inactive, on 07/18/2008, -1/+2[sniffle] [sniffle]
Someone get little Eddie a hanky for his whiny nose. - smurfsahoy, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1Oh, and the best part of this article is where they tried to say how "increased pollen" from global warming was a major threat that we want to avoid, because allergies will kill more people.
Why is there increased pollen? You guessed it - because global warming leads to faster and healthier plant growth. OH NOES! An ecological nightmare! Not PLANTS!! - inactive, on 07/18/2008, -1/+2Parts of evolutionary theory are blather and junk science, yes. Other parts are actually based on repeatable scientific observation.
Some speciation (one species evolves into another), DNA mutation, and variation among species are proven facts.
Unlimited speciation from bacteria to human being in only 2 billion years is based on speculation, assumptions, and junk science. - fulibs, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1Q: Why would somebody digg down a senate report on 400 scientists that dispute global warming/climate change?
Was that you Mr. Gore? You silly silly little man. - Jashobeam5, on 07/16/2008, -1/+2Stop the presses! It's hot in California in the summer!
- smurfsahoy, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1Looks to me like you just agreed with him...
- kcav8or, on 07/16/2008, -1/+2I have to say that the widespread acceptance of Global Warming pseudoscience is a symptom of the decline of critical thinking in our society. Our public schools are doing a great job raising a generation of gullible ignoramuses who will swallow anything dished up by the crisis industry.
- stealthc, on 07/16/2008, -1/+2China had its coldest winter in a century in 2007-2008
http://in.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idINPE ...
Annual global temperatures have been declining since 1998.
Crickets. - iamthearm, on 07/16/2008, -1/+2OH MY GOD! GLOBAL WARMING IS KILLING PEOPLE! EVERYONE RUNNNNNNNNN!
- inactive, on 07/16/2008, -1/+2 I hope Americans don't wonder why they are not respected in the World anymore.
- ElDiablo6870, on 07/16/2008, -1/+2I would like to see the projected number of people that will die due to the global warming hysteria. Economies are going down, and we are not producing energy to meet needs. Also, food sources are being used to produce energy. Millions will die and hundreds of millions will see their standard of living suffer.
Climate change has alway occurred. We will not stop it. We must adapt, or pay the price. But, the green movement does not equate human death with that of animals. A bear in Alaska is worth more to them than a child in Africa. - stealthc, on 07/16/2008, -1/+2Wait, they examined millions of individual deaths and concluded that *I* was to blame for each of them because I drive a car?
Will the wonders of science never cease! - unpolloloco, on 07/16/2008, -2/+3a lot of the "evidence" on BOTH sides is..........
- peekingduck, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1I wouldn't open an email from the EPA. It would most likely redirect you to a site where a trojan would be put on your computer, making it a spambot for Al Gore.
- urgeigh, on 07/16/2008, -2/+3Global Warming is causing disease? Really?
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