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- jojordan, on 10/01/2008, -15/+94I'd feel that much more comfortable with these United States invading foreign countries under false pretenses if i knew we were doing it green.
- poidh, on 10/02/2008, -6/+59This is about the US military, so expect a negative spin to be put on this throughout the comments.
- TotalHalibut, on 10/02/2008, -0/+38The pursuit of military might was the catalyst for plenty of technological innovation.
- thatsgoodkarma, on 10/01/2008, -6/+36Apply this to my car and then we'll talk, since I don't drive an F-18 Hornet to work.
Cool none-the-less though... - kingfoot, on 10/02/2008, -0/+21i wish i drove an f-18 hornet to work...
- rrife, on 10/02/2008, -0/+18Instead of complaining about the problem, do something about it....trade in that piece of junk car of yours and buy an F-18!
- BoneheadFarker, on 10/02/2008, -0/+17If people who are complaining that they don't drive a jet to work, you should probably read the article and notice that they can make propane, gasoline, jet fuel and diesel. That practically fits nearly all current fuel usage...
- drimo, on 10/02/2008, -2/+18The US Military is the world's largest consumer of oil. Having 100% renewable jet fuel is an excellent step forward!
Also, FTA: "The process developed by the EERC can produce propane, gasoline, jet fuel and diesel that are identical to the fuels derived from petroleum." Hopefully this gets applied to gasoline as well... - aussieNickuss, on 10/02/2008, -0/+14You don't?
- henri915, on 10/02/2008, -1/+13I'm curious. How much of the biomass do they need to make a pound of fuel? To that end, how much energy is consumed making it? These are the real issues.
- TheInformer, on 10/02/2008, -3/+15Any article on Digg about the United States will automatically have a negative spin on it, because we know how mean and evil the U.S. is.
Of the people that make these comments, I wonder how many of them have lived in another country like Ethiopia, Columbia, etc. I wonder if they truly appreciate the freedoms that are here but absent elsewhere.
And, for the naysayers, your complaining sounds like a spoiled child in a candy store.... "I don't want this candy I want THAT candy." Be thankful you have the ability to choose and eat the candy. - madhouseradio, on 10/02/2008, -0/+11I fly an F-18 to work and text on my cell phone at the same time.
- Spawn2105, on 10/02/2008, -0/+11Sounds great, now lets put it to mainstream usage and end our oil dependance
- wonderbriefs, on 10/02/2008, -0/+10RTFA
"The process developed by the EERC can produce propane, gasoline, jet fuel and diesel that are identical to the fuels derived from petroleum." - EricMiIIer, on 07/10/2009, -0/+10oh the road rage.
- inactive, on 10/02/2008, -0/+7don't feed the trolls
- honeybrass, on 10/02/2008, -0/+6It seems your behind the times, 3 out of the 5 repliers drive f-18's, so what are you waiting for? A recovery in the economy? please!
- mrbroli, on 10/02/2008, -0/+6Look out! It's Captain Entropy, come to save the day from hope!
- wonderbriefs, on 10/02/2008, -0/+6Read your last paragraph again.
- nirav72, on 10/02/2008, -0/+5Before anyone believes this was done to make things 'green'. The primary reason they invested in the research was more about finding a way to counter possible future dwindling of fuel supplies for their own consumption.
Good news is - whatever the military comes up with, usually trickles down into the civilian world. (e.g GPS) - rrife, on 10/02/2008, -1/+6This is a new strategy to combat terrorism....instead of buying middle eastern oil and funding their war efforts, we'll quit buying their goods and bankrupt them.
- powatom, on 10/02/2008, -1/+6Great, but I don't particularly feel like waiting for spring every time I want to refuel. /s
Since this requires a *****-ton of land, it's time we start building vertical cities and farms. Hello Asimov! - EricMiIIer, on 07/10/2009, -0/+4The good news is it cant hold your nagging wife and the golf clubs at the same time.
- Nintendesert, on 10/02/2008, -0/+4Just like the internet and GPS. We'll never see those things in our lifetime.
- Observer001, on 10/02/2008, -0/+4Well...I can claim anything I'm pleased to. The actual inventors are the creators, the investors just own the invention.
- Nevermor7, on 10/02/2008, -0/+4Does Ron Paul believe in fossil fuels since he thinks the world is less than 5000 years old?
- Observer001, on 10/02/2008, -0/+4Cool beans. The military isn't inherently bad, it's just a tool like any other that can be put to work trying to achieve any number of ends. This ensures that that tool will be available to us for the foreseeable future.
Furthermore, there are lots of vehicles in the world that aren't mobile weapons platforms that would benefit from this work by the EERC, apparently: commercial jets, automobiles, ships, trains...huge step forward. I do hope this makes the front page. - wonderbriefs, on 10/02/2008, -0/+4Yeah, pesky thing that land dependence. Glad we don't have to depend on land for any other renewable resources.
Oh wait... - TonyMountain, on 10/02/2008, -3/+7Get past your hate people and use your brains. The organization that uses the most fuel will be the one to develop cheaper, cleaner fuels. Duh. DUH! It won't be your so-called savior messiah Obama, it won't be your plastic man Al Gore or fat-arse Michael Moore. It will be the US Air Force and they'll be giving you all a big green middle finger while they do it. LOVE THAT.
- poidh, on 10/02/2008, -1/+4I agree. I'm from the UK but I support the US all the way. We're part of the same family.
If it wasn't for the UK, the US would be some ***** backwater, and if it wasn't for the US the UK would be part of some dictatorial Russian empire. - yngtimmy, on 10/02/2008, -5/+8Im so tired of that lame argument
- Smurph0404, on 10/02/2008, -0/+3You could just strap one of them under the wing where the missiles would go. I'll let you pick which one.
- phillymozart, on 10/02/2008, -1/+4"The feedstock-flexible process can use various crop oils and waste greases."
Notice that the article does not say it is better or more efficient than regular jet fuel. The only plus is being renewable. Everyone assumes we are so rich as a nation that we can go green and not rely on the cheapest and most effeicient energy on the planet: fossil fuels. These are the same people who thought we could give people houses and be ok financially.
Also, why do we keep pushing for food as fuel? I assume the West has deemed feeding people less of a priority nowadays. - nirav72, on 10/02/2008, -2/+5Hence it was created by the Military. You do know that the DoD is the 'Military' or a vast portion of its employees are active members of the military? Including most of its leadership?
Last time I checked, if someone invested majority of money - they can technically own it and can claim they 'created' it. - ElTomacco, on 10/02/2008, -0/+3Where to begin...
1st. Don't ***** assume you know my politics because you don't.
2nd. I wasn't bashing the Military or the technology, I was bashing the post and the link on the post because they dont have any real information on whatever this new technology is.
3rd. that 12page PDF that you were kind enough to link me to doesn't even mention JP-8 or any other jet fuel. It just talks about how the Air Force is using electric vehicles and alternative energy sources. Good for them, but it has nothing to do with the topic at hand. - wonderbriefs, on 10/02/2008, -0/+2jehan,
I agree with you that we need to reduce our dependence on fuel in general. Although the argument that we're going to run out of land for growing biomass for fuel is simply a red herring used by those who benefit from oil sales. Over 40% of the land area in the US is usable farmland, although much of it is unused. With the rise of the biofuel market, the US saw a definite increase in the amount of land used for growing corn. However, the total and area being used for growing corn was still less than in the 1930s. No more land had been converted to farms. In fact, there are many who own farm-land and get paid government subsidies without even growing a crop.
Show me an example of one farmer who can't grow a crop because there's no room left. Show me an example of how we don't have enough land.
Also, the process of creating ethanol from corn only uses the indigestible kernel of the corn, leaving the nutritious part to be turned into cattle feed.
While your offer is generous, I'll wipe my own ass. Thank you, though. - powatom, on 10/02/2008, -0/+2I bet if you had your way we'd never have come down from the trees. "Hey chimp-buddies - there' no point going down there. See that big orange thing in the sky? Yeah? In a few billion years that thing is gonna stop giving us light and heat, and we're all gonna die. May as well save yourself the trip and stay up here, with me - Sergeant Stone-Age."
Christ. Do you think these scientists don't know this? Do you HONESTLY think it is even vaguely worrying right now? - UnterDenLinden, on 10/02/2008, -0/+2Makes sense, you don't want our jets grounded, ever.
- motters, on 10/02/2008, -0/+2Unfortunately this article doesn't give enough info to be credible. Specifically it doesn't say what the net energy gain is - i.e. how much energy was needed to produce the fuel and how much energy do you get when burning it. Even if the yield is good enough for commercial use continuing to burn petroleum-like fuels is not going to do the environment much good.
- chamblah, on 10/02/2008, -0/+2FTA
*The process developed by the EERC can produce propane, gasoline, jet fuel and diesel that are identical to the fuels derived from petroleum.* - nirav72, on 10/02/2008, -0/+2Are you retarded? Where in my posting did I say anything that would indicate that I was leaning left on this?
Going green is not a right or left issue. Its a necessity now.
My point was that the military will be running into the same fuel supply problems as the general population. That is why they're working towards the development of alternative fuel sources.
Idiot...You are the exact type of person that gives conservatives a bad name. - Pritchard, on 10/03/2008, -0/+2Any reasonable country these days has the same freedoms as the USA or more. Do people think that an oppressive state hires stone gremlins to bounce on your back until you collapse under the weight of Communism? Maybe China can pull that off...
I have my complaints, not because I want to live elsewhere, but because I live here and I want to make it a better place. - powatom, on 10/02/2008, -0/+2Yes.
- jonnyboy1544, on 10/02/2008, -1/+3Come on... it's cute when you do this with buses and ugly little green cars but this is the US military and it's supposed to be badass.
Until they create the little "Mr. Fusion" that was on Doc Brown's DeLorean, I'm not impressed. - inactive, on 10/02/2008, -0/+2How much energy is consumed in refining oil?
- TheInformer, on 10/02/2008, -0/+2Taking out the energy that it takes to refine the oil still leaves us with a net positive.
Can that be said for this renewable energy? - Spawn2105, on 10/02/2008, -0/+2FTA: "The EERC has created a substitute for the fuel, using renewable feedstock made from agricultural products and/or waste oils. The process developed by the EERC can produce propane, gasoline, jet fuel and diesel that are identical to the fuels derived from petroleum."
AND / OR waste oils. At least from the way i understand it, there is no oil needed but it can be used? Or am i missreading/ missunderstanding something? - TonyMountain, on 10/02/2008, -1/+3Let me translate for everyone else:
"Upside, we found renewable energy. Downside, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah." - slapthemonkey, on 10/03/2008, -0/+1Great news
- inactive, on 10/02/2008, -1/+2here's your typical american. always wants to kill innocent people.
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