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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -28/+322not to mention that the ***** is like 4 bucks a bottle. i'm no hippy, but the elitists pricks that buy this ***** should be shot.
- Lord_oftheTrons, on 10/12/2007, -1/+224Even better from the Wikipedia article, and a recent digg story I believe:
"In the summer of 2006, Fiji Water angered many Clevelanders when it ran magazine ads for its bottled water with the headline "The Label Says Fiji Because It's Not Bottled in Cleveland."
Cleveland water quality manager Maggie Rodgers responded by running tests revealing that Fiji bottled water contains 6.31 micrograms of arsenic per liter, while the city's tap water has none.
Fiji countered by saying its own tests found less than 2 micrograms per liter.[1]" - Oxygen, on 10/12/2007, -3/+143Municipal tap water is generally cleaner then most bottled waters. City water has to meet strictly enforced purity standards in order to be used by the public, where as much bottled waters purity is not regulated at all.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+93The only Canadian bottled product I'm interested in is Syrup.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -12/+72"Who pays 2 quid for a battle of water?"
A fool? Did I guess right? - RainForRent, on 10/12/2007, -8/+59Ha! Suckers, and your silly water-
I just drink beer all day. - gregdlewis, on 10/12/2007, -6/+5626 times more water than the bottle contains you say? just for the sake of comparison, how much water does it take to deliver bottled water domestically or through the tap? with tap water, wells need to be drilled, treatment plants need to be run, pipes need to be built, etc. I'm not saying this number for FIJI water isn't obscene, I just think we need something to compare it to before we draw any conclusions.
- Menso, on 10/12/2007, -4/+44Direct link to the article, without having to go through Treehugger:
http://www.triplepundit.com/pages/askpablo-exotic-bottled-water-002401.php - cphuntington97, on 10/12/2007, -6/+42Syrup? Don't forget the beer.
- cbasst, on 10/12/2007, -3/+36Reverse Osmosis for the win?
- spliffy, on 10/12/2007, -8/+38dude i'm not trying to justify that price or the environmental cost of that ***** cause staggering it absolutely right. but that ***** tastes really good. its smoother then evian.
i don't think i will ever buy another bottle, even when it's on sale - signal15, on 10/12/2007, -6/+35Depending on where you live, the water can be nearly undrinkable. I lived in north dakota for 1.5 years, and the water there is absolutely terrible tasting. Not only that, if you drink it on a regular basis, your teeth turn yellow and get crusty crap all over them. My parents well in northern MN is also undrinkable. A water treatment system to remedy the problems with the water in these locations costs upwards of $6k, and many people can't afford to drop $6k all at once and instead buy bottled water instead. Usually they buy it by the gallon, not individual single serving bottles like Fiji.
Anyway, after dealing with crappy water for many years, you really start to notice the different taste of all water you drink. To be honest, the Fiji water is some of the best I've tasted, although I've probably only purchased 5 bottles in my life. Icelandic water is probably right up there with Fiji in taste. Now I have decent city water, and a good filter that will do 500 gallons before it needs replacing. - superal1394, on 10/12/2007, -9/+38@foolfromhell:
that would be because your immune system is not used to the amoebas in American water, slowly ramp up how much tap you drink each week untill you eliminate bottled water. By slowly, I mean maybe 1 cup today, 3 cups next week, ect. - nixonrichard, on 10/12/2007, -13/+41Who the hell buys water by the bottle? I get a bill every month that charges be about $0.01 per gallon of water. It shocks me that people pay even $1 for 20 oz of H2O. Okay, to be honest, I also buy a Brita filter for $5 every 4 months or so. The biggest waste here is the money, not the fossil fuel or water.
- pap3rw8, on 10/12/2007, -3/+27the specialty store near me sells a brand of water in a thick glass bottle with very small volumes. I think its called vöss or something, its from scandinavia. Every time I see it, I think to myself "who the ***** is buying that?"
i almost never drink bottled water anymore. you get the same thing (frequently better) from using a cheap water filter and a reusable bottle. saves money and is better for the environment. - Screwy1138, on 10/12/2007, -9/+32 it's not that candadian beer is all that great, it's just that american beer is all that bad.
- jdog1016, on 10/12/2007, -4/+26When you say that American beer is bad, you really need to qualify that with "mass produced." There is a huge number of very good American microbreweries around. On the other hand, every mass produced canadian beer I've ever tasted is just as bad, if not worse, than their American counterparts.
- bitcloud, on 10/12/2007, -8/+30compare it with putting a bucket out in the rain....
- thescimitar, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21We only care about dictatorships that we can scapegoat for something.
- doddilus, on 10/12/2007, -5/+22hey, if you want to pay $4+ for a bottle of water, go for it, its your money, burn it however you want
I'll just bee sitting here reading digg and drinking a glass of water that cost me $0.0005, possibly less, and tastes even better - BassMastr, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19and...
well...
ok I guess you guys got everything... - shazam, on 10/12/2007, -7/+21You've precisely hit the point that environmentalists have been yelling about for *decades*.
The costs of everything we buy are the vast majority of the time far too cheap. For one sweeping reason. They do not factor in negative externalities: that is, the trees cut down, the perfectly good water wasted, the ruinous effects on air quality, soil quality, water quality, and quality of life. Until we have a market system that accounts for externalities, we will continue to provide incentives for ourselves to trample upon, basically, the environment that future generations are going to have to clean up.
Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT saying we should just jack up the prices to their true costs and let that be that. Not at all--people would starve. But we do need to stop fooling ourselves by pretending that, for example, extracting oil, refining it, and delivering it halfway across the planet only costs as much as it takes to carry out those actions, or is at all a sustainable practice. Did you know that, when you add in externalities to the Production equation, recycling costs a *lot* less than making something new? Obvious, of course, when you think about it. But don't go around proclaiming that no one gets shafted when we take up irresponsible behavior like fill our dumps with billions of plastic bottles that were only used once each. Someone does get shafted. Namely, our planet. - mocheeze, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16Compare it with taking some of your tap water and shipping it to Fiji.
- dacheetah, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Flavour my arse. Most of the flavour you can taste probably comes from the plastic in the bottle.
Also, in a blind test, Penn and Teller showed that a random group of people who could afford to live off bottled water (or at least go to a fairly expensive restaurant) couldn't tell the difference between local tap water, and imported bottled water.
@rainforrent:
"Ha! Suckers, and your silly water-
I just drink beer all day."
The submarine is filling with a clear, non-alcoholic liquid. (Gotta love the Simpsons. Endless quotes) - zoombusa, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17Brita anyone?
- jdog1016, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15Starbucks ethos water has an artificially inflated price to allow them to use a percentage of the proceeds to get clean water to places in the world where it doesn't already exist. So, what, exactly, are you trying to say?
- Nickatnite101, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17I drink tap water....saves money...
- digggggggggg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Also, why single out Fiji? Isn't any other food or drink import just as liable for wasting of resources?
- florin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13If you think that's expensive, try Bling H2O:
http://www.blingh2o.com/
40 bucks a pop - TuxedoMax, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13That article kinda irritated me. It's not exactly a "calculation" if the guy doing the research has to make assumptions about the techniques used in every step of the production, bottling and shipping.
- BTE1390, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12@bitcloud
Industrial water is water that is used in of all places, industry, and is not intended for drinking, it's usually treated onsite, and reused, it's much cheaper than regular water, my point is you can't attribute all the 25gals of water used to process 1 gal of water to just one bottle, the water in a cooling loop at a power plant cooling loop for example, is not processed all that often, so it may make a bunch of bottles before being processed, and even then, it's not completely purified, usually just enough that the big particulate are taken out, so it's not like they are using 25 gals of tap water to make a single bottle of fiji water.
My main point was the article made way too many assumptions to be accurate in my opinion, just cause you throw in a few equations based on false assumptions doesn't make them correct. - insomniac8400, on 10/12/2007, -8/+15"its smoother then evian."
I cannot believe how stupid people are. The gallon jug of drinking water at your local grocery store is going to be a million times better than any pricey bottle and it only costs 60cents a gallon. - AReallyGoodName, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Here in Australia there has been a lot of talk of a trade ban on Fiji due to the military dictatorship taking power from the democratic government in December 2006 (the worlds newest military dictatorship). Travel to Australia and New Zealand by any Fiji officials has already been banned.
http://www.rnzi.com/pages/news.php?op=read&id=29702
I'm actually surprised the US administration hasn't joined us in putting pressure on Fiji, perhaps they will at some point. - Crass22, on 10/12/2007, -8/+15I think fiji is great cause its so cool, trendy, expensive and hip. Plus it makes me look cooler when I walk around with it. Its like the nalgene bottle for the hipster. Now its time to watch Sweet Sixteen on MTV and idolize materialism at its finest!
.sarcs - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+16At the risk of being buried....
Fiji doesn't claim to be "environmentally friendly" as the article leads one to believe (without actually saying it).
People don't always buy bottled water because of the purity. Some of us buy it for taste. Fiji is has a very distinct taste to it that is like no other bottled water or tap water. THAT is why it sells.
People are going to complain about all the waste that is created on bottled water. Of course there is waste. Just as there is with your Mountain Dew (flavored water technically) and other soft drinks. What is beer? Flavored water (great flavored water). Coffee? Flavored water. Soft drinks use plastic bottles or aluminum cans. Paper cups for coffee. Wow, what a waste.
Furthermore, places like Cleveland conduct a study themselves (isn't that a bit biased) and come to the conclusion that their water is cleaner. Again, we come back to purity of water. It's not about purity. It's about flavor.
How about recycling that plastic bottle? Guess what? Most cities don't make you separate your plastics so it really doesn't make a difference. Most of those plastics go to landfill or they go to a bulk purchaser who then has to pay to have them sorted. This is why in many cases it is actually more expensive to recycle than just start fresh.
I purchase what I want because I like it and because it's money that I earned. If you like tap water, fine. Drink tap water. If you disagree with me buying something you feel is overpriced then move to a Communist state. - voisine, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10The price system is a beautiful thing. Instead of getting upset about how wasteful this water is and getting angry at people who buy it, the price system constrains demand without anyone having to lift a finger. If it costs a lot of resources to produce, it costs a lot of money to buy. Simple, elegant, no legislation or political activisim required.
- idigital, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7It seems from reading the original Pablo article that this is based on guesstimates, there's no sign of solid research or sources for the information the article is based on. It's a reply to a reader of his site, not an in-depth study.
- WolfwoodX, on 10/12/2007, -7/+12VOSS cost $8/800ml. Tasted like water to me, but I just like it because of the cool glass bottle. If you want the cheapest, cleanest, most consistent water, just go to the store and buy a gallon of distilled water for $0.32.
- elsnow77, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7i wonder how much other bottles of water use. I bet, it is close to how much FIJI uses
P.S. how do you spell impossible - Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"Isn't any other food or drink import just as liable for wasting of resources?"
No, but I think the point is being made particularly well because we have running water from our taps already.
It's not like you have beef gardens outside your house. ;-) - sychodelix, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Most bottled water has either salt or other minerals added to it. Why? Because pure water doesn't taste like anything at all.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8nixon...you are getting more crap in your filtered water for at least a month of every cycle if you are changing Brita filters only once every 4 months. Every 3 months is the absolute limit, even if you rarely use it. If you regularly filter water with it, 2 months is tops.
- toecutter169, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3This is why I use a filter (Brita, Pur, whatever) - much cheaper and far better ecologically.
- Chilllllion, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6I'm from NYC. I only drink tap water and my own urine.
- fremeer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Dont forget bottled water creates alot of plastic bottles that are very hard to biodegrade. They usually end up in landfills, enviroment or recycling which in turn hurts the enviroment even more. Other the bottled water recycling is the biggest load of ***** being perpetuated by the yuppie scum. Bottled water generally has no health benefits over tap water(yes even chlorine levels are generally low enough not to matter and alot of bottled water has chlorine anyways), fluoride is actually added by the government because it improves the strength of teeth and has no adverse effects on humans. The reason most people drink bottled water is due to health and taste. Extra health benefits over tap water=zero so what about the taste. I have yet to find a bottled water that tastes nicer to me then tap water. That is if i can tell the difference at all.
This of course depends on location since most 1st world countries have excellent water filtration while the 2nd world countries have poor water filtration and 3rd world has trouble getting any form of water thats drinkable - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3dasani?
isn't that the one that coca-cola make that got in trouble last year for just bottling tap water? - dggeek, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7@voisine
Unfortunately, destroying the Earth is quite inexpensive.
@cdahlkvist
The thing I like about America is, I'm free to point out the stupid things other people do without having to move to a communist country. - OwdenBowden, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5SOLUTION: Stop Drinking this water!
- revoked, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4well if you read the article, the bulk of those numbers are in the manufacturing of the bottles and the transportation. THEREFORE, most products in our supermarkets yeild similar numbers. Dear lord people, get off your greenpeace butts, and realize the facts.
- aznshadoboy77, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Anybody who says Fiji tastes better, have you ever tried a blind taste test? Get it the same temperature (room temp) as tap water, and then have somebody give you the water in identical cups, and see if you can tell the difference. Tried it on one my friends who was a die-hard Fiji fan, and she thought the tap water was Fiji cause it "tasted better."
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