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- GeorgeTirebiter, on 04/08/2009, -1/+27Further proof that prohibition of any kind works!
- cowguin, on 04/08/2009, -3/+25***** our river, my dishes need CLEANING!
- Frixionburne, on 04/08/2009, -3/+19Now this is some serious front page material.
I don't know what I would have done had I not seen this article. This is no laughing matter. - illogicalone, on 04/08/2009, -0/+15Spokanistan
- Ghoztt, on 04/08/2009, -1/+13What... the... heck?
I barely need any soap. Of course, I'm not a mundane individual of whom lets his dishes sit all day and get crusty. Here is my secret: when I'm done using my dishes, I wash them within five minutes.
*GASP!!!* - SevenC, on 04/07/2009, -0/+12Just say no to soap!
- Altair27, on 04/08/2009, -1/+12If this story doesn't get them to legalize weed, I can't imagine what will!
- 13373h4X0r, on 04/08/2009, -1/+10<sarcasm> What we need is a "War on Phosphates" to reduce the illicit soap trade and soap-related violence! </sarcasm>
But seriously... Is there not a strong dish washing detergent that has a relatively low amount of phosphates? - RonPauls, on 04/08/2009, -7/+15government is basically incompetent yet again.
- inactive, on 04/08/2009, -1/+8The salt balance has to be just right, so the best fat for making soap comes from humans.
- punjab551, on 04/08/2009, -2/+9SpoCompton
- Khast, on 04/08/2009, -3/+9Being from Washington, I completely agree...the low phosphates soaps SUCK! :"> I live close to the border, and can pick up soap 1 mile from here. :D And it's not illegal to carry soap across the border.
- Wreckage, on 04/08/2009, -5/+11Better yet smuggle in a strong toilet from Canada. Those "low flow" just don't get the job done.
- nospaces, on 04/08/2009, -0/+6The lady in the article looks like she smuggles twinkies too.
- mikemarino, on 04/08/2009, -4/+10If this happens in my state I'll buy some ***** from china by the case. You know Mr. Sparkle will leave your dishes clean, even if it does contain lead and acids and phosphates and kills 8 unborn children for every load of dishes you do. ***** the collateral damage, you need to break a few eggs to make an omelet.
- smotpoker, on 04/08/2009, -1/+6Word. I don't even wash them right away, just rinse them off/out and let them soak until nightfall. It takes all of 10 seconds (if that). I could probably get sanitary dishes with 0 soap if we used the temp booster setting.
This is just another example of american stubbornness/complacence/laziness, even if it destroys the world or economy. - ChromaVita, on 04/08/2009, -0/+5That's all good and well except for the fact that energy star dishwashers use less water to clean dishes than doing so by hand (unless of course you clean then 99% of the way and then put them in the dish washer)
- smacksaw, on 04/08/2009, -2/+6We got them banned in Whatcom county. I can bring it back from Canada all I want, AND I DON'T?
Why? Because I don't have a neck the size of that woman's neck. Meaning I am in shape enough to actually wash my ***** dishes before ***** gets crusted on. I don't eat a ***** 4000 calorie dinner and need to rest for two hours afterward. I get the ***** off my ass and go wash my ***** before it crusts up because I am not a procrastinator. I have little kids running around, but I get my ***** done.
This is the epitome of ***** laziness that people are so selfish as to use this soap. My dishes and clothes are fine without it. Buncha excuse-makers.
How hard is it to clean up after yourself in a timely manner and use some elbow grease to scrub their dishes? I have a ***** torn labrum in my shoulder and I can use this soap. There's no ***** excuse. If I have to follow the rules, so should these slobs. I am so sick of people who think the rules apply to everyone else but them and that it's up to ME to make the sacrifices. Do I want kickass, easy soap? Sure. But I also want my local environment to not be ***** up, and I don't think it's too much to ask to be responsible for myself and handle my *****. - bunk3rk1ng, on 04/08/2009, -1/+5This is so interesting!
- eled, on 04/08/2009, -0/+4Ok, I need help from someone who knows better than I. (I'm not picking a "green" fight here)
I understand that the water from dishwashers is not getting pumped directly into the river but goes to the treatment plant. It's also my assumption that whatever gets flushed down the toilet goes to the same treatment facility. If they can make sewage into drinkable water why can they not take out phosphates from dishwater so we are not killing the fishies in the river?
In their conclusion, I was getting that they needed to spend millions on new facilities AND everyone will still have to buy worthless detergent that sucks. - therodersabides, on 04/08/2009, -0/+4Goddammit Spokane, can't I ever see a positive article about you?
- mcmitchell, on 04/08/2009, -0/+3Spokaloo
- gremlinchief, on 04/08/2009, -0/+3The roads are crap because most of that tax money for the roads gets sent through the sate...which then sends it over to Seattle/Tacoma.
Also, Spokane is a technological black hole when it comes to tech jobs; it's alright for hospital work but that's about it. - alamedaman, on 04/08/2009, -3/+6creating illegal black markets! always successful
- katzebnt, on 04/08/2009, -5/+8I love Spokaaaaane...nevermind the city council has chased (taxed) out all the good businesses (HP, Lucent, etc) out of town, the roads are utter crap, it's a dumping ground for sex offenders and there are no good jobs...gotta have priorities...
- theshan, on 04/08/2009, -0/+3i live in spokane....and i get the pleasure of going to idaho to pick up dish soap...thanks wife.
i am a soap smuggler. - stonebear, on 04/08/2009, -0/+3They do indeed have reverse osmosis filters in place that do just that. I wonder what the issue really is here. I know the filters are rather costly, so perhaps the ban is ultimately to keep the water treatment plant's budget down.
- Barackalypse, on 04/08/2009, -0/+3Forget driving to Idaho and paying sales tax, but it online here:
http://www.amazon.com/Cascade-Complete-Dishwasher- ... - dsfjvhbd, on 04/08/2009, -0/+3Of course, if everyone does that, it creates another additional environmental burden
- libertygal76, on 04/08/2009, -0/+2Nor is that disgusting film! Nothing like washing your dishes TWICE! ICK!!
- Argy, on 04/08/2009, -0/+2My parents live in Idaho right across the border from the Spokane area. They grocery shop in Spokane because there's no sales tax on food in Washington, whereas there is in Idaho, so it's cheaper for them to cross the border. But I asked about this detergent thing, and they buy it in Idaho (not that that would be tax-free anyway in Washington). They said after they tried the phosphate-free stuff (AND YES THEY PREWASH), there was grease and smudges all over the dishes no matter how clean the dishes looked before they went in the dishwasher.
- fishwww, on 04/08/2009, -0/+2Maybe it is the same things that are killin off the fish in the waters around Santa Monica Bay.
http://www.mdranglers.com/HD2009/ the Halibut derby fish counts are way off. The other fish that should be in the same water strata are missing too. - inactive, on 04/08/2009, -0/+2Coeur d' Aleneianan ...nevermind.
- libertygal76, on 04/08/2009, -1/+3Come clean my kitchen -- PLEASE!!!
- gremlinchief, on 04/08/2009, -1/+3Welcome to The 'Kan
- kelmaster1, on 04/08/2009, -0/+2Never will be as strong... Phosphates gives it the "oxidizing power!" you need to clean dishes. Unfortunately, out of all the things wastewater treatment plants treat, they cannot completely get rid of all the nutrients in the water. Like they said, anything oxygen demanding is bad. Typical aerobic digestion and chlorination does little to treat these oxidizing organics (partly because they're hard/expensive to remove) so they end up 'demanding' all the oxygen in the water, hence killing fish.
So basically to answer your question low phosphate detergents are inferior but they are much, much better from the environment. Detergents and gasoline additives are the primary concerns for many wastewater treatment plants because the only way to treat these problems is with reverse Osmosis ie: very expensive.
BTW, did you know people living on the lower end of the Ohio River are drinking water that has been 'reprocessed' approximately 9 times? It's ironic though how the NW is one of the few areas in the country that has a surplus of water and yet they enforce the strictest water quality standards.
Sorry, I'm a CE nerd... - westyvw, on 04/08/2009, -0/+2Are you sure you have tried the right ones? We use a dishwasher detergent that happens to be low phosphate, but works better then any other.
- dsfjvhbd, on 04/08/2009, -0/+2As ChromeVita said, plus: hand washing becomes a big chore beyond a certain size of family and everyone washing his own is not a solution to that because it would mean everybody wasting time standing in queue.
- blindmelon1, on 04/08/2009, -0/+2I don't do soap anymore, I've been clean for years.
- Barackalypse, on 04/08/2009, -1/+3Well, it looks like I have to add another item to my list of "buy it before the nanny State bans if for my own good" items. I guess I can store it next to the assault weapons, non-serialized ammunition, and spare high flow toilet.
- libertygal76, on 04/08/2009, -0/+2Sounds like a good summation to me!
- Hollyvvood, on 04/08/2009, -3/+5Having moved to Spokane right after the ban on phosphate-laden dish detergent took place, I can honestly say that it is NOT THAT BIG OF A ***** DEAL. The first time I put dirty dishes in the dishwasher using the local detergents (after I ran out of detergent that I had leftover from college) I actually found mold on one or two of my pans that had gone through the dishwasher. You know what my solution was? Pre-washing the damn dishes. It doesn't seem worth it to me to drive the border, even though it is fairly close, just to avoid pre-washing the dishes.
It's almost like people spending a half hour looking for the remote instead of just walking up to the TV to change the channel. - freedomischaos, on 04/08/2009, -0/+1Have you never actually done dishes by hand? It is rather simple to actually save water that way. You fill one sink with water, soap and the dishes to be cleaned. You kinda fill the other one with just plain clean water from the tap. Then you wash said dishes and then roll them in the clean water to remove the soap, dry by towel and then hang in the basket to be completely air dried.
- Dimbleby, on 04/08/2009, -0/+1I'm coming back up there soon, drop me some OR dollars on your Spokane Discount. I'm not gonna pay your sales tax though, thats just crazy.
Thanks, Oregon ID! - Dimbleby, on 04/08/2009, -0/+1I just logged in to say:
Snowkane.
Spocancel.
/thank you - tonycomputerguy, on 04/08/2009, -0/+1"I make and I sell soap... The yard stick of civilization"
-Paper Street Soap Company - 13373h4X0r, on 04/08/2009, -0/+1Your comment is interesting and informative. It's too bad that the attribute that makes detergent effective (i.e., a chemical that craves oxygen) also makes it hostile to fish.
- gradient01, on 04/11/2009, -0/+1Well, I guess you are just better than everybody else ...
- smacksaw, on 04/08/2009, -0/+1EXIT is the worst name for a realtor, evar. What's next? EMERGENCY EXIT for foreclosed homes?
I'd better not give them any ideas...
Anyway, she has some impressive mammaries. I thought I'd say something nice about her. -
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