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- spookyttws, on 06/30/2009, -0/+29"I brought you a tuna sandwich. They say it's brain food. I guess because there's so much dolphin in it, and you know how smart they are." - Marge Simpson
- WordsnCollision, on 06/30/2009, -2/+29I shoot people with a Canon all the time, though I do ask them to smile first.
- jboitnott, on 06/30/2009, -2/+18Even when we humans think we are doing something right it turns out it's wrong most of the time. Damn.
- sonnybobiche, on 06/30/2009, -2/+16Fisheries don't go out of their way to be destructive. The author's point is that they were mildly destructive before, then greenpeace got involved, and then they became significantly more destructive.
- RandomGorilla, on 06/30/2009, -0/+13"OH don't worry, this dolphin blew all of his money on lottery tickets!"
- tjathf, on 06/29/2009, -5/+17I'm skeptical, but if this is true, than that officially sucks. The most horrifying thing of all is the fact that tuna doesn't even taste that good.
- trefitch, on 06/30/2009, -5/+16he blames greenpeace for forcing the fishing industry into using MORE destructive techniques. If his facts are correct then he is right.
- Enterres, on 06/29/2009, -5/+16Wow, thanks for the added incentive and reasons to not eat tuna at all.
- glutamate, on 06/30/2009, -1/+11@greenwald: Your analogy is workable, but you're too retarded to conclude it properly.
In a situation which requires assassinating someone, Lisztman has two options: A gun, which he'd prefer, or a canon, which is his only alternative. You prvent him from using a gun. Therefore he must use a canon. He manages to assassinate his target, but with collateral damage. You, greenwald, in effect cause that damage, because it would not have occured should you not have intervened.
Here's something simple enough for you to understand. If I'm ***** your mother, it's your fault if she gets pregnant because you hid all my condoms in an attempt to prevent me having sex.
@WhySharksMatter: "potential fallacy" - greenwald, on 06/29/2009, -23/+32This statement kicks off an article full of fallacies in logic "By trying to help dolphins, groups like Greenpeace caused one of the worst marine ecological disasters of all time."
So tuna harvesters, not being able to follow dolphins to find tuna (method A) , use method B which inflicts greater collateral damage to other species. So if I tell you can't shoot someone with a gun and you opt to then use a canon I caused you to shoot someone with a canon. - overtoke, on 06/30/2009, -15/+24the author doesn't know what he is talking about...
he blames greenpeace for the fishing industry's continued use of destructive fishing techniques
the fisheries choose to be destructive - Richandler, on 06/30/2009, -2/+11Your analogy is bad. It's more like you're going after Saddam Hussein and because it's not as simple as hiring an assassin you decide to invade the whole country.
- WhySharksMatter, on 06/30/2009, -0/+9Hi, Bboy, it's the author of the original dolphin safe tuna post here.
The 70k vs 130 million refers to SMALL tuna. SMALL TUNA are bycatch, just as turtles, sharks, and seabirds are.
The target is LARGE tuna. If you catch small tuna before they reproduce, that's pretty much the definition of an unsustainable fishery. - RyomaNagare, on 06/30/2009, -3/+11I never believed all the FUD about dolphin in your tuna, mainly because if that was the case they would market it as dolphin-meat and charge a premium.
- nepidae, on 06/30/2009, -4/+12I've been mocking this hypocrisy since I first heard it, glad someone else actually understands the issue. The biggest problem is you have non-critical thinkers / mommies-basement hippies who somehow found a way to dictate policy while having absolutely no clue how the world actually works.
- Akairenn, on 06/30/2009, -1/+8Tuna hasn't tasted the same since it became dolphin safe. /oldjoke
Also, do you know how freaking smart dolphins are? We need to get them before they get us. - BREZZZ, on 06/30/2009, -3/+10Dolphin is the best seafood out there, behind whale of course. But you gotta get them scared before you kill'em. Usually being on deck is enough, but you can see it in their eyes and bludgeon them accordingly. It's best butchered live too. Serve it with a little panda meat and bald eagle eggs and you got surf, turf and air.
- kleon777, on 06/30/2009, -1/+7There's more to being a mammal than breathing air. Don't you know anything about your own class?
- WhySharksMatter, on 06/30/2009, -4/+10Overtoke, the fisheries are doing exactly what Greenpeace said- to stop fishing for tuna by following dolphins.
Fisherman don't choose to be destructive. That's beyond ignorant and arrogant. - glutamate, on 06/30/2009, -1/+7greenwald, Here's something simple enough for you to understand. If I'm ***** your mother, it's your fault if she gets pregnant because you hid all my condoms in an attempt to prevent me having sex.
- Junkyarddawg, on 06/30/2009, -0/+5It is true. It's always been a mystery to me why people were so adamant about the "bi-effect" killing of dolphins, when often the tuna was more endangered than the dolphins, never mind the turtles and sharks.
He glosses over the issue of drift nets, though. That's an even more destructive fishery. - MikeSD34, on 06/30/2009, -2/+7If you were worried about that, than why bother including it? It's not like it adds anything to your post...
- kleon777, on 06/30/2009, -0/+5Of course we're going to protect a fellow mammal over a few fish. I like to think of them as our water-dwelling brethren.
- OrangeTide, on 06/30/2009, -0/+5No dolphins have to die for a beef steak.
- WhySharksMatter, on 06/30/2009, -1/+6Hi, Todamont, it's the original author. The article is full of references. They're in link form, common practice in science blogging. Sources I used include the National Marine Fisheries Service, the Economics department of the University of California at San Diego, and the Environmental Justice Foundation.
If it makes you feel better about trusting my science, I'm originally from Pittsburgh and am in grad school down south. There's not a lot of ocean in Pittsburgh. - Paulish, on 06/30/2009, -0/+5What if a satellite was used to capture images of the ocean and look for fish, or maybe get civilian UAVs to scan the ocean for tuna?
- Rain12913, on 06/30/2009, -9/+14Blasphemy. Tuna melt = win
Too bad I'm a vegetarian now. Now I'm gonna get buried by people who don't like tuna AND people who don't like vegetarians =/ - WhySharksMatter, on 06/30/2009, -2/+7Friends, I'm the original author of the "dolphin safe" tuna post. My regular readers would appreciate it if you would direct comments to the blog itself (many of you are reading the original article there). That way, they can participate in the discussion without signing up for a "Digg" account. Please be civil, as most of you are being here, since we have a lot of young readers.
If anyone has any questions about the post, I'll try to answer them here, but I'm new to digg and replies to replies to replies get hidden easily. I'm happy to answer any question left as a comment on the original blog post. Again, civility is appreciated.
If you enjoyed this post, please also click on the "Shark Resources" tab on the blog for a list of other shark science and conservation articles, and on the "WhySharksMatter's Ethical Debates" tab for similar discussions on "hot button" environmental issues.
Southernfriedscience.com - ninjaturtles1, on 06/30/2009, -0/+4It means it's ok to feed to your pet dolphin.....
- akatsuki, on 06/30/2009, -1/+5Well, I guess it is good that tuna is so massively overfished that it won't even be around much longer. Better stock up on some oo-toro while you can.
- Lisztman, on 06/30/2009, -1/+5WhySharksMatter:
I wasn't saying that the numbers were actually fallacious.
The soundness of logic can be assessed by analyzing the arguments at face value, and this article seems to have sound logic. I was merely conceding that the only potential source of any fallacy in the article would be in the numbers, because I can't be arsed to verify them. :p - greensky, on 06/30/2009, -3/+7So what he is saying then is there are NO ecologically safe ways to catch tuna...
- GorfTron, on 06/30/2009, -0/+4Nevermind all the mercury you add to your system.
- FightTest, on 06/30/2009, -0/+4We'll start protecting sharks when they stop chewing on us and sea turtles when they stop getting high all day and floating around.
- aychseven, on 06/30/2009, -0/+4i don't know how people eat (or worse: enjoy) canned tuna. real tuna is pink, delicious, and best uncooked. that ***** has got to be like the hotdogs of fish; a mishmash of the left over parts that people couldn't sell or didn't want to eat.
- nepidae, on 06/30/2009, -0/+4I actually like canned tuna (well the stuff that comes in pouches more), but _real_ tuna, that is real-cooked/sushi/sashimi is damn good.
- WhySharksMatter, on 06/30/2009, -0/+4Sure there are, greensky. Troll-caught tuna is "marine stewardship council" approved sustainable.
However, when you're catching 10-20 tuna per hour instead of thousands, it's a lot more expensive and simply can't fill the market demand. - inactive, on 06/30/2009, -3/+7I'm not sure I trust science that is "southern fried". References? Anyhow, I can't wait for the day I'm showing my grandkids the replicas of sea turtles and sharks in museums, and they ask me if such a creature ever really existed.
- sonnybobiche, on 06/30/2009, -1/+5Wrong. CANNED tuna doesn't taste good, because it's cooked in the can, and that big hockey puck is so thick that by the time the middle is done, the rest is overcooked.
Try the foil pouch kind that has become very popular recently (more spread out = reduced cooking time) because it doesn't taste like sawdust. - Atario, on 06/29/2009, -5/+9Wow, what's with all the dolphin-hate? Click around the site, you'll see what I mean.
(Also, spitting "hippie" as an epithet, but that's more garden-variety dickery.) - bboymouse, on 06/30/2009, -3/+7did anyone else notice how they compared catching 70k tuna to 130million? yes the bycatch numbers are completely different, but its hard to make a comparison between two fisheries designed to catch TUNA when the numbers are off by over an order of magnitude
/this is coming from a sea turtle biologist...i think the world's fisheries are ***** and have plenty of my own opinions about fisheries and bycatch but i'm not swayed by this article in the least - GorfTron, on 06/30/2009, -0/+3I make scrambled eggs and tuna. It is actually quite good. Be sure to cook it in butter.
- bboymouse, on 06/30/2009, -0/+3ahhh, didn't notice that difference, thanks for clearing it up!
- nepidae, on 06/30/2009, -0/+3to be honest, i think it has to do with growing up on canned tuna sandwiches. which was good because canned tuna is a great way to get cheap protein in college.
but yes, i agree and my point was that canned tuna is a completely different food from i guess, "whole fish" tuna in the different ways it can be prepared. - Mike17102, on 06/30/2009, -0/+3A nice fat tuna steak is ***** awesome.
- CrazyEddie041, on 06/30/2009, -4/+7I refuse to include Greenpeace and PETA under the blanket statement "we humans." They are "those humans."
- SuperCujo, on 06/30/2009, -0/+3Canned tuna is horrible.
BBQ tuna steaks, on the other hand, are divine... especially when left quite rare in the middle. - ClevelandBrown, on 06/30/2009, -3/+6Leela: Dolphin? But dolphins are intelligent.
Bender: Not this one. He blew all his money on instant lottery tickets. - tstocker, on 06/30/2009, -1/+4If only there were some technology available such that when I clicked on a word that was bold and or underlined in the article it would bring me to those "References" you speak of...
- Ghoztt, on 06/30/2009, -1/+4Or vegetarianism.
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