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- calcm, on 04/14/2009, -4/+36Take that California Liberals. Conservative Texas is doing a better job at being green than you freaky liberals are.
- Dou6, on 04/14/2009, -1/+22Californians love the idea of "green" as long as it doesn't ruin their view.
- pathouston22, on 04/14/2009, -1/+22Because Texas is that awesome, it deserves to be compared by itself.
- seanstuart, on 04/14/2009, -0/+17If you drive out in West Texas on Interstate 10, you pass through a long region where the horizon is dotted with wind turbines. They stretch as far as you can see. So awesome.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2279/1526818705_44f ... - gigi52, on 04/14/2009, -5/+21How come you do not hear about this from the "green" fanatics? They would like us to believe that we are not doing anything about wind power. Reality is only some areas of the country can take advantage of this.
- macromorgan, on 04/14/2009, -1/+14Actually, he's a Connecticut yankee. It's okay, everyone seems to make the same mistake.
- jnadke, on 04/14/2009, -3/+15From Wikipedia:
* Texas (7,116 MW) = 297 Watts / capita
* Iowa (2,790 MW) = 950 Watts / capita
* California (2,517 MW)
* Minnesota (1,752 MW)
* Washington (1,375 MW) - inactive, on 04/14/2009, -3/+15Texas is the only state that was a country before joining the union and has the right to secede and to fly it's flag even with the US Flag.
Sounds like they may soon use that right to secede
http://governor.state.tx.us/news/press-release/122 ... - Nickolassc, on 04/14/2009, -0/+9Wind and geothermal are awesome sources of energy. Hopefully more development will ensue.
- SwiftKick34, on 04/14/2009, -1/+10I don't see why the climate change fanaticism isn't simply rebranded as reducing dependence on foreign oil and mere sustainability; it would get a lot more support than pumping Al Gore at every opportunity.
- jaredmac11, on 04/14/2009, -1/+9Still puts it above other states in our country.... I dugg this because Texas gets more **** thrown at it than I think it deserves..
- drmangrum, on 04/14/2009, -3/+10California is one of those places that's all flash no substance. They LOVE to spout virtues but are slow to actually accomplish anything. That's not to say that many in the state aren't trying, but most would rather criticize others than actually accomplish something.
Part of the problem I think is the way many Californians present the idea. They come from the Econut "Green" platform. Investors don't give a ***** about that. They want to make money. If you look at Texas they came at the problem from an economic standpoint. Fossil fuels are getting increasingly expensive. Maintenance on the plant is getting increasingly expensive. etc etc. When the wind farms are installed, the bulk of the price is already paid. Maintenance is cheap(er).
They basically told investors it's permit to print money. If the country is serious about going to alternative energy, that's the route you have to take. - d3dm, on 04/14/2009, -0/+7Wrong.
There's a coal-fired power plant near Centralia. Washington gets the majority of its energy from hydro sources (75%), but some of it still comes from coal-fired, gas-fired, and nuclear power plants.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Central ... - nickymouse, on 04/14/2009, -0/+7Find an economical way to store the energy, then we'll talk.
- HookmasterCH47, on 04/14/2009, -5/+12it's official, Texas blows.
- stjeanp, on 04/14/2009, -2/+9From Wikipedia (because I'm lazy)
Texas's area is 268820 sq. mi.
Germany's area is 137847 sq. mi.
So while Texas may not be a country, it's twice the size of Germany. - inactive, on 04/14/2009, -0/+7Yes, that is the right mode of thinking. Clean energy REGARDLESS of the notion of man-made climate change, not BECAUSE of it.
- awesomeisdigg, on 04/14/2009, -4/+10"Although many Texans seem to doubt that climate change is man-made"
This woman is citing an article in which the Dallas Environmental Policy Examiner wanted textbooks to "analyze and evaluate different views on the existence of global warming".
Cry me a river, woman. Seriously. I don't really see the problem with acknowledging that other viewpoints exist, especially when other viewpoints has some authoritative support (yes, these authorities may be smoking crack, but it's authoritative nonetheless). When the kids really look at all sides, 99% of them will come to the conclusion that global warming is a threat anyway... - soupdawg30, on 04/14/2009, -2/+8Considering states are actually independent forms of government I think it's a fair comparison.
- CeeJayDK, on 04/14/2009, -1/+7Or electrocute prisoners on death row when there's a surplus of wind power.
Inmates would be watching the weatherchannel in fear. /s - soupdawg30, on 04/14/2009, -0/+6Interstate 10 between San Antonio and El Paso..... most boring drive ever. The wind turbines are cool though.
- SmpleJohn, on 04/14/2009, -2/+8My turbine's bigger than yours.
- rblancarte, on 04/14/2009, -0/+5Everything is bigger here in Texas.
- rjyoung0307, on 04/14/2009, -0/+5agreed, each state in the "union" is its own government, power to the states!
- katorga, on 04/14/2009, -0/+5Good point. It makes enough sense on its own without the political agenda. But then again, the green parties are the remnants of the old communist parties. They want to use environmental causes to push massive state control of private property. Ie., you can have the privilege of paying the cost of private property, but there will be so many regulations that you are not free to do anything with you property. Bahro, Kovel, and other green philosophers are generally communists and share the affinity for the necessary use of "terror" as part of state control. They see environmental issues being the pathway to destroy capitalism. Ironic because the Eastern Block, USSR, and China are not generally known for being "green".
- mouthbreether, on 04/14/2009, -0/+4We don't actually have the right to secede any more than any other state. But then again, nor is it explicitly forbidden.
- HentaiJeff, on 04/14/2009, -0/+4beans don't belong there anyway, you yankees invented that and it's an awful idea
- Nickolassc, on 04/14/2009, -0/+4Water reservoirs on a hill seems promising.
- AntoniusMaximus, on 04/14/2009, -1/+5I am actually thinking of setting up a small 15 metre 10 kW wind turbine for private usage. Belgium is pretty windy, I'd probably get surplus which I could sell to green energy providers here. The problem is the price. 16k+ Euro is quite an investment - I'm trying to calculate the actual savings, considering the lifespan of such a turbine is about 25 years.
I'm all for green energy, but I'm even more pro-independence from energy suppliers. I aim to use suppliers as an insurance in case my own generators fail. - maliath, on 04/14/2009, -1/+5The reason? There's space, and it's damn windy. In the future you're going to see the wind farms extend farther north into the High Plains. Lubbock and Amarillo are among the top 10 windiest cities in the country. Right now, the windfarm near Sweetwater, Texas is among the largest in the world and it's growing.
For anyone interested in wind farm engineering, I suggest you check out the programs at Texas Tech in Lubbock:
http://www.wind.ttu.edu/ - computershack, on 04/14/2009, -0/+3I did the maths for my house in the UK. Basically, it wouldn't even break even over the lifespan of the turbine or solar panels.
If you do do it, it's purely for personal ethical reasons - money saving isn't even on the radar. - mouthbreether, on 04/14/2009, -1/+4I'm sure they'd love to follow suit if they could afford it. However, they can't.
- TexMachina, on 04/14/2009, -0/+3"Although many Texans seem to doubt that climate change is man-made, "
WTF?!?! The author starts her own article off with a slam against her own state which she is supposed to be holding up as an example of green technology in action? Was the authors smug and outright ***** comment worth sacrificing the articles potential for advancing green technology? Doubt my assumption that the mockery hurt the point of the article? Look at all the f'ing comments before mine. Everyone is in a pissing contest about Texas. Whoops! Guessed I missed the point because I had to tell the guy from California to go eat a dick. Good job Caroline, you dumb ass. - Licurgo, on 04/14/2009, -0/+3rubber bands?
- jshhmr, on 04/14/2009, -0/+3You aren't kidding. I drove through that area on my way to Fort Davis and there are windmills everywhere! At least I can be proud of my state for one thing.
- Trent1492, on 04/14/2009, -0/+3"..and is the only large country in the top 10 in terms of carbon emissions per capita with a population above 5 million."
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science_and_i ...
Canada ranks ranks number 10 and the U.S number 9. - 0crabby0, on 04/14/2009, -0/+3http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compressed_air_energy ...
http://web.archive.org/web/20070605061132/http://w ...
Operating In Alabama since 1991
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumped-storage_hydroe ...
Pumped-storage hydroelectricity in the US.
California
Castaic Dam (1978), 1,566 MW
Edward C. Hyatt (1968), 780 MW
Helms (1984), 1,200 MW
Iowa Hill, (Proposed 2010), 400 MW [14]
John S. Eastwood (1988), 200 MW
Pyramid Lake (1973), 1,495 MW
San Luis Dam (William R. Gianelli) (1968), 424 MW
Colorado
Cabin Creek (1967), 324 MW
Mount Elbert 200 MW, 1,212 MW
Connecticut
Rocky River (1929), 31 MW
Georgia
Rocky Mountain Pumped Storage Station, 848 MW
Wallace Dam, Lake Oconee/Lake Sinclair, 4 x 52 MW reversible units - operated by Georgia Power
Hawaii
Koko Crater, Oahu, Hawaii (Proposed)
Massachusetts
Bear Swamp (1972), 600 MW
Northfield Mountain (1972), 1,080 MW
Michigan
Ludington (1973), 1,872 MW
Missouri
Clarence Cannon dam (1983), 58 MW (pump-back capability tested twice in 1984 and not used since.[15])
Taum Sauk, 450 MW (pure pump-back; out of operation as of December, 2005)
New Jersey
Mt. Hope, 2,000 MW[13]
Yards Creek Generating Station (1965), 400 MW [16]
New York
Blenheim-Gilboa (1973), 1,200 MW
Lewiston Pump-Generating Plant (Niagara) (1961), 240 MW
Oklahoma
Salina Pumped Storage (Grand River Dam Authority) (1971), 260MW
Pennsylvania
Muddy Run, 1,071 MW
Seneca, 435 MW
South Carolina
Fairfield Pumped Storage (1978), 512MW - fed by Lake Monticello Reservoir
Bad Creek (1991), 1,065 MW - fed by Lake Jocassee
Lake Jocassee (1973), 610 MW
Tennessee
Raccoon Mountain (1978), 1,530 MW
Virginia
Bath County, 2,710 MW (Worlds Largest)[14]
Smith Mountain Lake and Leesville Lake
Washington
Grand Coulee Dam (1981), 314 MW[15] - HtomSirveaux, on 04/15/2009, -0/+3That's one of the more ridiculous statements on this board.
- katorga, on 04/14/2009, -3/+6Turbines wipe out migratory bird populations. 2-3 years from now we will be hearing a chorus of denunciation from the environmental groups.
The same thing goes for compact florescent lights. Most of them end up in the dumpster. Once the impact of all of that mercury appears in water tables, the same groups that pushed them will be calling for their banning. - oninbonin, on 04/14/2009, -0/+3It's funny also because I moved to the East coast (DC, Alexandria) from Texas and you talk about hot air, the east coast is full of the rudest most presumptious bastards I've ever met. At least in Texas WE ARE NICE AND HOSPITABLE. East coast blows, you all are a bunch of fake ass people. I'm glad I'm moving back in a week to Austin where people are free to be people and not some ***** brand name.
- xiphias08, on 04/14/2009, -0/+3But in the end Texas kicked Mexico's arse, and was able to claim its independence. I'm not seeing how Texas was the one roughed up.
- Nickolassc, on 04/14/2009, -0/+3I'm not sure about that. Showing people that wind power works is the best way to increase it's use. States like North and South Dakota are some of the windiest states and I don't see their names on the above list.
- inactive, on 04/14/2009, -0/+3they're supposed to be but the federal govt is overstepping it's bounds of late and trampling on that fact
- zenerdiode, on 04/14/2009, -0/+3I'm a green fanatic from California and a huge supporter of T Boone Pickens. In fact, many of my fellow crazy green loonies believe the dust bowl region of the US may be a significant part of the future infrastruture. And believe it or not, we're also fans of Republican states like Arizona and Utah because of their potential develop thermal solar plants.
So yeah, us greenies actually don't care where alternative power comes from as long as it helps the US wean itself from Saudi Arabia. - ryrocker, on 04/14/2009, -0/+3yeah...
im waiting for california to succeed as well...
we're the 10th largest economy in the world
we'll survive. - ness0013, on 04/14/2009, -1/+4You've never been to any of the other southern states have you?
- TrevorPace, on 04/14/2009, -0/+3Because in order to produce kW of power from a wind turbine it needs to be large, and if you put them too close together then the ones in the front will shield the ones in the back.
- Anand999, on 04/14/2009, -3/+6Most of the green fanatics are in California and they can't fathom the fact that Texas is blowing them away (ha ha) in this particular area.
- prometheusg, on 04/14/2009, -0/+3There are a couple of huge wind farms on the coast between Corpus Christi and the Rio Grand Valley. I didn't even know they were there until a couple of weeks ago when flying from San Antonio to McAllen. I just idly looked out the window and my mouth dropped open. Rows and rows, miles and miles, of windmills out in the middle of nowhere. They are near the coast, but in that mostly barren, salty crap that is useless for farming and too far from anything to be worth developing. I believe it's all King Ranch land.
After seeing them, I checked Google Maps, but nothing shows up. They start just South of Baffin Bay. I did a little research and found that they just opened a couple of months ago and are what put Texas in the number 6 spot. - rblancarte, on 04/14/2009, -0/+2The ones along 20 in Sweetwater are cool to see at night. You just see this giant field of glowing red lights that pulse on and off in unison (sorry, don't have a picture of that)
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