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- GhostWithToast, on 03/23/2008, -40/+198Global Warming advocates say the Earth is cooling because of global warming. You can't win. It's like arguing religion. However, what we can all agree on is that we are very wasteful and uncaring of our environment and we should work to improve it in every way. Our oceans are filthy and we are polluting the planet. It's common sense.
- BigBlueCarbon, on 03/23/2008, -43/+197there goes our carbon offset business.
damn it. - inactive, on 03/23/2008, -61/+198An inconvenient truth indeed
- PeterODactyl, on 03/23/2008, -20/+143Just for the record:
The scientist: Jennifer Marohasy, a biologist and senior fellow of Melbourne-based think tank the Institute of Public Affairs.
The Institute of Public Affairs is a right-wing, corporate funded think tank based in Melbourne. It has close links to the Liberal Party, with it's Executive Director John Roskam having run for Liberal preselection for a number of elections. Its key policy positions include advocacy for privatisation, deregulation, reduction in the power of unions and denial of most significant environmental problems, including climate change.
Source: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Institu ... - Equalizer, on 03/23/2008, -136/+245Finally, the end of the myth of Global Warming
- zediker, on 03/23/2008, -9/+83but if you take 65million BC, its colder!
- SteveMTyler, on 03/23/2008, -14/+77I am convinced that pollution is bad for the environment, and no amount of articles like this will change my mind.
- blqysmg, on 03/23/2008, -14/+73We're all going to die anyway.
- torya, on 03/23/2008, -39/+95I'm interested to see where the sunspot theory leads. Seems to be the most promising one out there at this point.
- pintomp3, on 03/23/2008, -12/+572007 Was Tied as Earth's Second-Warmest Year
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20080116/ - Doofy, on 03/23/2008, -25/+69"With catastrophe off the agenda, for most people the fog of millennial gloom will lift, at least until attention turns to the prospect of the next ice age. Among the better educated, the sceptical cast of mind that is the basis of empiricism will once again be back in fashion. The delusion that by recycling and catching public transport we can help save the planet will quickly come to be seen for the childish nonsense it was all along."
- vwerf, on 03/23/2008, -33/+77No, NO, Man-Bear-Pig is real. It will destroy us all. Only I AL GORE, inventor of the internet and latex condoms, can SAVE THE WORLD. all I ask for in return is a nobel peace prize and the frontal lobe from every human brain who opposes me.
- wonderchemist, on 03/23/2008, -28/+72And if you take 1776 as a reference point its warmer!
- zephyear, on 03/23/2008, -99/+141i went through the profile of everyone who commented something anti-global warming theory and surprise, all conserb/republican.
look at this way, if scientists are wrong about global warming, we waste a few billion and end up treating the environment better, and become less dependent on foreign fuels.
if global warming deniers are wrong, everybody dies. - 03FightOn, on 03/23/2008, -23/+58OK, kids, as someone raised on the New Ice Age theories of the 70's, I have a healthy dose of skepticism for any highly publicised "science". Science is too complex to be broken down into sound bites. Do humans impact their environment? Well D'UHHHHHHHH...welcome to heisenberg. Are we the primary causes of global warming...sorry kids most of the evidence says NO. The best they have are computer models that we're finding more hidden problems than a democrat's hookers. Bottom line...good long term thinking says try to minimize our impact, use but conserve, work with; but NOTHING is ever constant. there are things we can't control, learn to live with those things and knock offf the arrogance that we have ultimate control.
- TheRealToma, on 03/23/2008, -4/+39FINALLY! I can design a car that runs on trees, baby seals and childrens tears.
- spudnic, on 03/23/2008, -8/+42It's not that I agree or disagree with it either way, I just don't think there's sufficient evidence to justify the crazy hysteria.
The whole treatment of it has been utterly unscientific. - inactive, on 03/23/2008, -2/+34Homer Simpson said it best: "Facts can be used to prove anything that is even remotely true"
- inactive, on 03/23/2008, -10/+42People, PLEASE... whatever happened to chaos theory? I would think that chaos theory would have LOADS to say about the Earth's climate, but no, all you people, on both sides, want to reduce it to this one-variable system. It's insane! Nobody actually cares about the science, they just want to be right. I'm so sick to death of the whole issue, because nobody actually wants to discuss and debate it, they just want to show off their various proofs about why global warming has to be caused by Man or why it has to not exist or whatever.
- danconia, on 03/23/2008, -8/+37Unfortunately with all the junk science going on these days I have a feeling we won't get the definite conclusion about global warming anytime soon. Pretty sad when scientists can no longer be considered unbiased.
- ThantiK, on 03/23/2008, -2/+30SCIENTISTS aren't meant to be unbiased. SCIENCE is. And science really isn't unbiased, it just has a system of checks and balances of a bunch of different biased scientists so they all end up equaling each other out and find the truth. (and even then the "truth" is still a theory and can be disproven at any point in time.)
And the poster above me is correct. Edison pushed for DC power (as opposed to Tesla's AC) by "showing how dangerous AC was" and electrocuting everything from small dogs to elephants. All because he had a financial interest in DC - tmbrwolf19, on 03/23/2008, -1/+28It's nice to see that people still do a bit of digging these days. In no way does any one scientist make or break climate change. Unfortunately, the majority of scientists that go to the press are highly biased. Couple that with increasingly lazy journalists, any PhD can email a reporter, get an interview, and spout misinformation to the masses. Of course the reporter won't bother calling up a second or third source to verify claims. And even when the media is called out on bad journalism, corrections get 2 sentences at the bottom of page 47 or a passing mention on the webpage.
Simply put, unless its published in a scientific journal, all these articles are half truths and spin from both sides of the fence. - noahsawyer, on 03/23/2008, -7/+31The idiocy of self righteousness should not prevail around this issue no matter what side you're on. We can/ and should still take steps to what is right like limiting pollution and consumptions as they both have multiple ills.
- OneEyeJack, on 03/23/2008, -10/+33i have always though it funny that people are so worried about the world warming, when its been cooling and warming for so long without people, The end of the ice age there was global warming, did leaving a carbon footprint cause that?
- SullyA, on 03/23/2008, -58/+80Never fear - Al Gore and his fellow traveling Counter-Earthers will soon produce "scientists" to testify that the cooling is caused by global warming in just the same way they first said warming would produce more hurricanes and then that warming was causing the lesser number of hurricanes. And even if global warming collapses they will soon find another crisis to promote to line their pockets
- unpolloloco, on 03/23/2008, -2/+24Were they ever? Edison pushed for DC power (instead of AC) by electrocuting elephants (yes, elephants) because he had a financial interest in DC.
- thatsmyaibo, on 03/23/2008, -6/+27I know what you mean. I have never bought into global warming so quickly because it was a scientific and political trend. I've seen the research and never came to the conclusion that our world will come to and end because of man made pollutants that will cause the planet to overheat. I criticized the logic and like Michael Crichton said on Charlie Rose, "it is not as catastrophic as everyone seems to make it". I was dugg down.
The bottom line is there are 2 opposing sides to the science. The climate has changed drastically throughout history and last year was the coldest winter I have seen in L.A. (which led to snow which I have never seen here in the city). The universe is unpredictable and humans shouldn't be so arrogant to think they can alter the world that much. One thing I am glad for however is that it has caused people to be more environmentally aware. That is something that I hope continues. As for global warming, it's a buisines and Al Gore is the CEO. - Railer, on 03/23/2008, -4/+25Good Comeback, thoughtful, full of incite and well researched. Al Gore is that you?
- Railer, on 03/23/2008, -21/+41"went through the profile of everyone who commented something anti-global warming theory and surprise, all conserb/republican."
Really show me where you found my voting record?
"look at this way, if scientists are wrong about global warming, we waste a few billion and end up treating the environment better" - and we get new taxes, lose freedoms, and allow corrupt politicians to twist science for their own profits and powers, oh ya that sounds great!
if global warming deniers are wrong, everybody dies. - wow no alarmism there!
You may want to take a look at what happens to science when it's corrupted for a political agenda, I would start with a little thing called Eugenics, science was twisted for the betterment of humanity! But no harm done there right? And when they start saying the human population has gotten too big for the Earth you'll be the first to volunteer to be "Environmentally Recycled"? - URnotheonly1, on 03/23/2008, -55/+75Knew this years ago, said it on digg even, but was dugg down. How a active sun cycle that correlated to everything the global warming folks were saying was missed by all the so called smart folks has to be explained.
I knocked that off on day 1 and I am not even a scientist - neocognitism, on 03/23/2008, -18/+37Why doesn't this guy give his talk standing on some coastal Arctic ice that was there five years ago but isn't any more?
- MindTrigger, on 03/23/2008, -14/+31Sounds like another point of view in a sea of thousands. Hardly ends the debate/research.
- sztuka, on 03/23/2008, -47/+64Are you really as ignorant as you sound? First of all what's a conserb? Second of all what's your source for saying we'll all die if the globe warms? The most radical predictions of warming will not kill anybody you dunce. In fact there's a good chance it will improve crop yields by extending growing seasons which will lead to less people dead from starvation. The oceans may rise a few feet and people will relocate further inland. That's about it.
- brad1, on 03/23/2008, -13/+30There's a lot more harm of buying into the notion of global warming than just "wasting a few billion dollars." If the governments and international panels are wrong about global warming, then all the efforts to keep developing nations - some of the world's poorest people - from building power plants and factories has kept them in a state of extreme poverty and prevented them from being able to stand on their own two feet. Indeed, keeping these people in squalor and disease with no chance of rising out of it has killed more people than any type of "warming" ever could.
- str1fe, on 03/23/2008, -5/+21I think the amount of diggs the two of you are getting proves who the dumb ass is.
- stephant, on 03/23/2008, -2/+17It may not be the next ice age. It could be anything. I recall a few before global warming. I remember the pollution of the 70s, the nuclear war of the 80s and the millennium bug of the 90s. There's always some scare that the end is near and we all have to do something to stop it. Usually whatever it is that we have to do makes someone rich or far more powerful for some reason. I wonder why that is?
- stephant, on 03/23/2008, -3/+18Ha! That's like saying that because there is no scientific evidence there is a god then churches are all going to go broke. It's a belief my friend. Those that believe it will go to their graves believing it regardless of science or anything else.
- Jergens, on 03/23/2008, -1/+16Never trust a scientific argument made by a politician.
- keraneuology, on 03/23/2008, -11/+26I went through the profile of everyone who commented something pro-global warming theory and surprise, all liberb/democrat.
BTW - thanks for the surge in corn/food prices so the taxpayer can subsidize ethanol that requires more petrochemicals to produce than the energy you get out and contribute to the algae blooms in the gulf of mexico.
"if global warming deniers are wrong, everybody dies."
Last time I checked I'm not immortal... if global warming is a myth/not I'm still going to die. - 03FightOn, on 03/23/2008, -9/+23Ice caps and floods....welcome to geological cycles. Al Gore.....well, that's a mystery.
- coit, on 03/23/2008, -5/+19The "sunspot" theory has been around for quite some time, but the mainstream media buries it just like diggers will bury this article.
There's an excellent BBC documentary on the theory as well. I think you can find it on Google Video. - NoStoppingUs, on 03/23/2008, -7/+21http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_dimming
if the sun is responsible for the temp change, then decreasing the amount of particulates in the air, regardless of what they may be, will actually make the problem worse. check out what happened in the days following 9/11.
"Some climate scientists have theorized that aircraft contrails (also called vapor trails) are implicated in global dimming, but the constant flow of air traffic previously meant that this could not be tested. The near-total shutdown of civil air traffic during the three days following the September 11, 2001 attacks afforded a rare opportunity in which to observe the climate of the United States absent from the effect of contrails. During this period, an increase in diurnal temperature variation of over 1 °C was observed in some parts of the U.S., i.e. aircraft contrails may have been raising nighttime temperatures and/or lowering daytime temperatures by much more than previously thought.[22]" - CowboyBebop, on 03/23/2008, -11/+25Yeah, and there goes Al Gore's cash cow!
- triskele, on 03/23/2008, -8/+21To some people Global Warming is their religion, and that's the scary part.
- dylantp20, on 03/23/2008, -3/+16Maybe because of this? http://imdb.com/title/tt0497116/
- unpolloloco, on 03/23/2008, -5/+18since there were no floods before the 1990's
- IrwinFletcher, on 03/23/2008, -1/+13Species have come and gone since life appeared on this planet, the face of the oceans have changed, the earth has been warmer than it is now and cooler than it is now. This happened LONG before we arrived and will continue to happen right up to the point where our sun goes supernova.
- stonewaljacksn, on 03/23/2008, -2/+14"The End is Coming" is an innate human archetype. It takes on many different disguises throughout the history of humanity but it always involves people expecting the world to end "any day now." We LOVE that ***** because it speaks to a universal archetype in all of us.
- Railz, on 03/23/2008, -2/+14Pascal's argument is an ultimatum and is dumb
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