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- pjr12345, on 06/27/2008, -95/+277Let's examine the first sentence of this shock report:
"It seems unthinkable, but for the first time in human history, ice is on course to disappear entirely from the North Pole this year."
1) Apparently ice is "on course" to disappear. Therefore it must still be there.
2) "Unthinkable"? Really? says who?
3) Since the very first successful human expedition to the North Pole occurred in 1909, at best we're dealing with less than one hundred years of history. After that, an airplane flew over it in 1926. The remaining visits to the North Pole occurred in 1958, 1969, and 1977. That means that actual known human visits to the North Pole have occurred only during the past 100 years, and there have only been a handful of them. It has not been until the age of spy satellites that any consistent information about the Pole could be known, and that is probably less than 30 years, and no more than 50.
The very first sentence of this "article" demonstrates it to be an agenda driven, piece of fear-mongering propaganda. - meltlight, on 06/27/2008, -18/+144it's OK. Russia claimed the north pole for themselves last year so it's their problem.
- wrathchilde, on 06/27/2008, -3/+49"Did you know that when water freezes it expands? Inversely, when ice melts, the volume it fills decreases. That being FACT, should all the ice in the poles melt, we can expect the volume of water in the oceans to decrease."
This is so incorrect, it does not deserve clarification, but as an oceanographer I cannot allow this to pass.
If ice (solid water which occupies a larger volume than its liquid form) melts, then there is exactly the same volume of water in a given basin. If you are referring to the sea level, this too stays exactly the same when floating ice melts. Only melting ice that is grounded, or on land, has the potential to affect sea level.
Really people, how can you digg up such a complete hogwash observation? - aliengoods, on 06/27/2008, -26/+66Agreed. Shouldn't the title be "There MAY be no ice at the North Pole this Summer"? Perhaps I'll write a story predicting record temperatures. It doesn't matter if I'm wrong, as long as enough monkeys agree with me.
When in the hell did global warming become a religion? Always asking for money, trying to tell you what to do, sensationalistic stories loaded with damnation and few facts, and droves of people yelling "Save Yourself!" - eliot2000, on 06/27/2008, -12/+50The real cause of Global Warming:
http://www.venganza.org/piratesarecool4.gif - inactive, on 06/27/2008, -13/+45"Earthquakes, volcanoes, plate tectonics, continental drift, solar flares, sun spots, magnetic storms, the magnetic reversal of the poles...hundreds of thousands of years of bombardment by comets and asteroids and meteors, worlwide floods, tidal waves, worldwide fires, erosion, cosmic rays, recurring ice ages...And we think some plastic bags, and some aluminum cans are going to make a difference?"
-George Carlin RIP - lroche, on 06/27/2008, -7/+37Melting sea ice does not contribute to sea level rise. Its like an ice cube in a glass of water. When the ice cube melts the amount of water in your glass does not increase...it stays the same. Now if a glacier melted (ice on land) that's a different story. Then you are adding new water to the oceans which, in sufficient quantities, would increase sea levels.
For proof of sea level rise look at the island of Tuvalu in the Pacific. - br0ken1128, on 06/27/2008, -18/+46Personally I think it's irresponsible to assume the best (that it's not true) .. rather than yelling at each other about whether or not global warming exists, lets just assume the worst and do something to at least improve the air we breathe.. if it truly is NOT as big of an issue as we're lead to believe, it very well could become an issue at some point, so let's be responsible.
- somabc, on 06/27/2008, -5/+33It's OK we can use the Ice from Mars to replace it!
- inactive, on 06/27/2008, -9/+36http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/07121 ...
ScienceDaily (Dec. 13, 2007) — The decade of 1998-2007 is the warmest on record, according to data sources obtained by the World Meteorological Organization (WMO). The global mean surface temperature for 2007 is currently estimated at 0.41°C/0.74°F above the 1961-1990 annual average of 14.00°C/57.20°F. - bono4u, on 06/27/2008, -6/+33Bad news for Santa Clause.
- thefloss, on 06/27/2008, -7/+31"The remaining visits to the North Pole occurred in 1958, 1969, and 1977"
Actually, Jeremey Clarkson and the boys from Top Gear drove there recently. - Joejackal, on 06/27/2008, -59/+82These deniers are generally the same people who supported this twice unelected administration. I guess the debut of the Northwest Passage last year was just another weapon anomaly. Keep reassuring yourself that ignorance is bliss or maybe even use the search feature on this website with the words Canadian, military, expedition and cracks.
- wrathchilde, on 06/27/2008, -0/+20If you melt floating ice there is no effect on sea level.
- p9s50W5k4GUD2c6, on 06/27/2008, -16/+36One of the current theories on one 'global warming' contributor to arctic melting: arctic earthquake swarm and deep volcanic activity.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/06/08 ... - dgaspard, on 06/27/2008, -23/+42I really stopped worrying about global warming when politicians said they can only combat it with $45 trillion dollars. I mean seriously. When I first read that number I thought that news article was from the onion.
- StuartGibson, on 06/14/2009, -2/+20Well, they only drove to the location of magnetic north pole and even that was based on where it was several years ago (since magnetic north wanders about a bit), which leaves them several hundred miles shy of the "real" north pole.
- kholburn, on 06/27/2008, -7/+25Umm, no it's not. Land doesn't grow. The ice sheets in Antarctica are melting and breaking up.
How much do they pay you to say stuff like that? - aladrin, on 06/27/2008, -12/+30At the same time, there's -more- ice at the South Pole than before.
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/1999/1998JD200092 ...
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeff-poor/2008/05/06/ ...
http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0110/p14s01-sten.htm ...
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/08/05081 ... - They actually manage to blame it on Global Warming!! - candyman682, on 06/27/2008, -0/+17I don't know about California, but Venice, Italy IS sinking.
See: http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2002/venice-1106.htm ... - harlowsmonkeys, on 06/27/2008, -0/+17When you have ice floating on water, and the ice melts, the water level does not rise. The north polar ice is floating on water.
It's southern polar ice that you have to worry about with regards to water levels, because that ice is not floating on water. It is sitting on the continent of Antarctica. Thus, when it melts and runs off into the oceans, they will rise. - lroche, on 06/27/2008, -4/+21Melting Sea Ice doesn't make sea level rise. Melting glaciers are the threat to low lying communities (such as that huge one in Greenland that's melting)
- zyklon, on 06/27/2008, -0/+16Yeah, but Canada cracked on them for being too "15th century" making the claim. Canada's only mad because they claimed it while creating Nunavut, and Russia's impeding on their "land". Maybe it's Canada's problem too?
- inactive, on 06/27/2008, -2/+18Hate to point it out to you, but the north pole has been inhabited for 3,000 years.
And having been to Kuujjuaq (most northern village in Quebec) only a month ago, it's true.
The permafrost melted. Their houses are falling appart. - harlowsmonkeys, on 06/27/2008, -5/+21Wait a minute--you seem to think that it isn't possible to determine the climate of an area for times before humans actually first visited that area!?
- urthwalker, on 06/27/2008, -1/+16Duh...core samples?? Oh, I forgot - Satan put them there to confuse us!
- inactive, on 06/27/2008, -99/+114Great! So exactly how many summers do activists get to make this claim with no effect before we can write off Global Warming as complete *****?
- reisrocks, on 06/27/2008, -3/+18is it me or is the independent in serious need of proofreaders.
- minorthreat, on 06/27/2008, -0/+14"Since the very first successful human expedition to the North Pole occurred in 1909, at best we're dealing with less than one hundred years of history."
I'm by no means a "global-warming hippy", but come on....
So when scientist drill into the ice in Antarctica to determine the CO2 levels of the earths atmosphere 100,000 years ago. You don't think they attempted to do something likewise with the ice on the north pole to get a rough estimate of age? Really, you don't think we have a way to determine ice levels prior to 1909? - JayTee44, on 06/27/2008, -5/+19Climate change is serious business- the author of this article doesn't help the issue by making an unsupportable (and unlikely) claim in the first sentence. I'd like to see the author justify/defend that sentence.
- inactive, on 06/27/2008, -11/+25Uh....
Shouldn't Venice, Italy and Venice, California be under water soon because of this? - inactive, on 06/27/2008, -4/+17Neither is Al Gore.
- uptwolait, on 06/27/2008, -8/+20Now that the pesky ice is finally gone from up there, we can start moving in those drill rigs.
- TenebrousX, on 06/27/2008, -6/+18[citation needed]
- SpacePoet, on 06/27/2008, -5/+16And actually, doing some research on the subject I find that you are wrong. Although there has been an increase in snow fall, which was expected due to more moisture in the air, the south pole is not increasing, it is shrinking, though much slower than the north. Here is one link of many i found that supports this http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Story?id=1678441
- Kidtuf, on 06/27/2008, -1/+12Not to mention Santa Claus!
(The) Santa Clause is a terrible Tim Allen movie. - dgaspard, on 06/27/2008, -15/+26We've had global warming since the ice age.... This isn't really a new thing.
- auto98, on 06/27/2008, -24/+35Apparently, the ice has been getting less for the last 6000 years - long before industrialisation
- Hosalabad, on 06/27/2008, -22/+32That submission is crap, did the guy even read the article first?
- pianomahnn, on 06/27/2008, -3/+13http://www.socc.ca/seaice/seaice_current_e.cfm
That's a great site for viewing time lapse animations of the retreating ice.
Personally, I wouldn't consider a impossibility that the ice would be entirely gone. Every expectation about when the ice would be at a certain level have been grossly overstated. Within the next century, within the next 50 years. All wrong. What we're seeing is a large area still covered in ice, but its all very young ice. It's not the thick, many year old ice of previous decades. This young ice is much thinner and will melt quicker.
I didn't read this article because everyone was bitching about it being crazy. I figured it probably was and avoided it. - wastelander, on 06/27/2008, -10/+19What the heck is this "agenda" supposed to be? A conspiracy to increase ratings for the weather channel?
Or do you just assume climatologists are all on the payroll of the "big bicycle" lobby? - proliance, on 06/27/2008, -1/+10http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/boardgame ...
- Delphium226, on 06/27/2008, -2/+11Sources please.
- mutz, on 06/27/2008, -9/+18There's no ice at the north pole? Whooaaaa... Start the drilling for oil!
- XTX7X, on 06/27/2008, -5/+13I'd be delighted to see your source for both of those statements. The UN IPCC has support from thousands of other scientific organizations. Look at the AAAS, NAS, and other national academies of science for their endorsements.
- Cynicalme, on 06/27/2008, -28/+35Oh yes, remember that the opening ice scene from Gore's movie was actually a computer generated image that was presented as actual fact.
- whodat51773, on 06/27/2008, -15/+22What do the odds makers in Vegas say?
- Rudegar, on 06/27/2008, -6/+13"1) Apparently ice is "on course" to disappear. Therefore it must still be there."
i think they mean the large connecting of a full icecap rather then whats most likely the case now
of smaller plades and icebergs floating around without being connected - MrSkills, on 06/27/2008, -0/+7Quite right, wrathchilde, Also, the South Pole is over land, so it's only the North that would not have an effect in sea level. But it would still have a massive effect on ocean currents.
- orlyfactor, on 06/27/2008, -2/+9We're gonna need a bigger boat.
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