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- Luigison, on 10/28/2007, -1/+13Looks nice, but I think I'd rather have a 100% electric Tesla sports car. http://www.teslamotors.com/
- mareacaspica, on 10/29/2007, -0/+10just have 99 950 $ more to raise:(
- Invalice, on 10/30/2007, -1/+7damn, and i thought they were trying to make hybrid cars cheaper so people could actually consider them as a realistic alternative.
- redxii, on 10/30/2007, -0/+5"the price will start a bit under $100,000"
Kinda like car commercials. The actual retail price is probably $99,999.99 - Murdats, on 10/30/2007, -0/+4it is unreasonable to expect to stop using oil 100%.
it would be like trying to never use metal. the problem isnt that we use oil, its that we use too much of it, to literally burn it all away
we need to cut back the amount of oil we use, and we need to reduce the amount of pollution we create (and if you dont believe in global warming dont try to tell me that you hate clean air and love the pleasing aroma of exhust whenever you go for a walk) and yes at first it wont reduce the pollution much, but the cars will become cheaper, demand for electricity will go up, new plants will have to be built and by this point more people will have electrics, you cant expect it to be a quick change but it is a slow gradual process. - apeweek, on 10/29/2007, -0/+3There's plenty of power available off-peak. Don't forget that EVs charge overnight.
- apeweek, on 10/29/2007, -0/+3Here's one that's closer to reality:
http://phoenixmotorcars.com/ - SilverBlade2k, on 10/29/2007, -0/+3So you'd rather give thousands of dollars a year to Oil companies, or would you rather spend 1/4 of that and give it to your local power company?
- Murdats, on 10/28/2007, -1/+4yes, but it gets one problem out of the way.
once we deal with excess oil use and the massive amounts of pollution generated by cars out of the way we can focus on cleaner power production methods. - apeweek, on 10/29/2007, -0/+2Nobody really has to wait for the Tesla, or the Volt, or the concept car of the day to come out. There are electric vehicle conversions on the road today that are affordable and extremely cheap to operate.
I drive an EV that I bought used from eBay for $2000 (it was a fixer-upper.) I drive it around for about a penny per mile.
http://squidoo.com/cheap-electric-car - BGYO2007, on 10/28/2007, -0/+2Looks nice :)
- Aquilus1, on 10/30/2007, -1/+3Thank you apeweek! Generation stations dont have the capacity to retain the electricity generated. Its a use it or lose it situation. This was part of the energy crisis in CA not too long ago. EVs act as a power reserve should, the power grid crash.
- smackhero, on 10/28/2007, -0/+2so unless we can stop using fossil fuels 100%, we shouldn't try to cut back on any use of fossil fuels? currently, the inefficient combustion engines used in automobiles are one of the major sources of pollution in the world, and one which can be easily eliminated. so why shouldn't we address this easily solvable problem?
perhaps you should look up the term "sustainability"--it doesn't mean zero use of fossil fuels, or zero consumption of resources. - apeweek, on 10/29/2007, -0/+2So what? The amount of pollution generated is what matters.
Insults are not facts.
FACT: Because of increased efficiencies all along the fuel chain, EVs - even considering power-plant emissions - only make 3% the pollution gas-powered cars do (look at my previous posts for sources.)
Your turn. - Kurt37, on 10/30/2007, -3/+5I'd still rather have a Delorean.
- gottadiggit, on 10/28/2007, -1/+2While I think this is a great car, I would prefer the range that the plugin hybrid offers. To be honest they both look like cars I would be happy to drive, it's just that the plug-in would win in the road trip department. Give me a 600 mile range electric car and I'm there.
- apeweek, on 10/28/2007, -1/+2Nobody 'forgets' this, it's just unimportant. Evern considering powerplant pollution, EVs only make about 3% the pollution gas-powered cars do.
Sources:
http://www.electric-cars-are-for-girls.com/electri ...
http://www.energy.ca.gov/papers/CEC-999-1996-015.P ...
"...in a study conducted by the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, EVs were significantly cleaner over the course of 100,000 miles than ICE cars. The electricity generation process produces less than 100 pounds of pollutants for EVs compared to 3000 pounds for ICE vehicles." - philz, on 10/28/2007, -0/+1And "Start" usually means 'no AC, no navigation, no CD player', but hey - it drives!
- Sanduu, on 10/28/2007, -0/+1The car looks great and seeing what cars this man has designed, i think it will be successful.
- insomniac8400, on 10/28/2007, -0/+1Yea, but getting off oil and using home dug coal helps our economy immensely. All that money that left our country now stays here. And making cars electric opens the door for nuclear power and hydrogen fuel cells to fix the problem with coal. We need off of oil now. It really doesn't matter how that happens.
- socialpyramid, on 10/28/2007, -0/+1Please don't be a Tucker repeat..
- ShnowDoggie, on 10/28/2007, -0/+1I like. But where and when can actually get one? 50 or so cars in the fourth quarter of '08? Later? Right now I only see these as toys for the super rich. And even they have to wait.
On the flip side, hopefully, the trickle down effect will come into play and I will be get one, and at a cheap price, in the forth quarter of 2018! - smackhero, on 10/28/2007, -0/+13.9
see:
http://www.teslamotors.com/display_data/twentyfirs ... - ubergeek09, on 10/28/2007, -0/+1Sweet. Looks cool, but if I had $100,000 to drop on a car I wouldn't get that..
- bwanac, on 10/28/2007, -0/+1you have to have a car for all markets... you cant expect the rich to just give up their "luxuries" and drive a cheap EV.
smart idea imo. - inactive, on 10/28/2007, -0/+1If they could make this full electric, I'd definitely take this over the Tesla. A $100,000 luxury hybrid already exists, the Lexus LS 600h, the Fisker looks much better but they are entering into a market that has already been established. In my opinion, they should spend some more time in R&D and create a viable electric car--- $100,000 should go a long way.
- smackhero, on 10/28/2007, -1/+2stop repeating that inane and fallacious argument--which is usually only spouted out by idiots who have a poor grasp on environmental issues and simply reject all efforts at environmental reform.
combustion engines are incredibly antiquated and inefficient compared to other forms of power generation available today. even the most efficient combustion engines don't compare to a coal-burning power plant. the first step towards a greener society and sustainable living is to free ourselves from our petroleum economy. this means replacing our transportation infrastructure, which at the moment is completely dependent on fossil-fuels.
electricity can be generated from all kinds of different sources, is easy to store/transfer, and is incredibly versatile as an energy source. not only is it clean power, it is essentially future-proof--while most combustion engines on the road can only run on gas, electric vehicles can be powered by _any_ energy source, even energy sources we've yet to discover. thus eliminating combustion engines and switching our transportation infrastructure to electric vehicles is clearly the most logical way to free our society from oil-dependence.
we already have a myriad of ways to generate clean power, such as wind farms, geothermal power, tidal power, solar power, hydroelectric dams, wave power, OTEC, offshore wind power, and nuclear energy. but unless we switch to electric vehicles our transportation infrastructure will not be able to exploit any of this alternative energy, and we'll still be reliant on a petroleum economy. - ubergeek09, on 10/28/2007, -0/+1DeLoreans are really slow. A Toyota Corolla is faster than a DeLorean, sad but true.
- moofer, on 10/28/2007, -0/+1It is a pretty sweet looking ride. This, along with the Tesla roadster show that California is the new Detroit. Although, if that car was built with union labor, it'd be $200,000
- inactive, on 10/28/2007, -0/+1I'm so glad the automotive world is NOT listening to customers who say they want electric only. Keep making worthless cars!
- inactive, on 10/28/2007, -0/+1they need to stop making luxury hybrids, only a handful of people can actually afford those so the idea is stupid. And car makers totally need to stop making cars that cost more than $60K-70K because most of them burn 3x more gas than an average car.
I love cars and consider myself an enthusiast, but the cost of having all these gas guzzling machines on the road is much greater for all of us, doesn't matter if you can afford the extra tax - inactive, on 10/28/2007, -0/+1it's not the horsepower, it's the slow driver
- rento, on 10/28/2007, -0/+1Tesla FTW
- CelebVoy, on 10/28/2007, -0/+1Not only does it look nice, but I am sure people will take out a second mortgage to own a pure plug in car.
Can anyone else see the future and how GM will be kicking themselves in the ass for not pursuing their electric car?
This is a great car, but I know the 2009 Prius will be able to make 120 mpg with its new gas/plug design also. - lead2thehead, on 10/28/2007, -0/+0Well yeah, that's fantastic and all but it doesn't really do the environment much good if the average person can't afford one.
- Chocks, on 10/29/2007, -1/+1I hope it has a long extension cord.
- XBunnyRacer, on 10/29/2007, -1/+1Yeah.. because electricity from your outlet magically appears there.. No, it's not from nuclear power plants or anything like that..
/sarcasm - Sanduu, on 10/28/2007, -0/+0Considering it's a luxury car, i think it will have a few options included in the start price, at least the AC and CD player.
- Karroog, on 10/28/2007, -2/+1The problem with that notion is that people don't realize how ingrained oil is within our society. Look at any appliance you have, bowls, TV's, refrigerators, desks, computers, clothes, glass, rugs; all these items were created from oil in some way. Might not be from the actual material itself (but a lot are) but by the actual construction of the material.
To drive a car that is electric that is made out of the usual metal, rug, rubber and plastic is almost backwards thinking. Sure it runs on electricity, but if the electricity is any of the fossil fuel source then there really isn't any clean technology going into it. On top of that, the actual car is produced by using fossil fuel products, or by ways only fossil fuel can produce.
In Essenes, new "green" or hybrid or electric cars will not change our demand for oil until we just completely cut ourselves off from oil and find a different solution. - origclubsoda, on 10/28/2007, -2/+1Plug-in cars burn coal, you dumbasses.
- RegularJohn, on 10/28/2007, -2/+1luv it
- Farnn, on 10/28/2007, -2/+0While we do have plenty of ways to generate clean power, it only amounts to a small fraction of the power we produce. However that is not my problem with these electric cars and hybrids. My concern is our power grid. We are already close to the limit during the summer, what's going to happen in a few years when yo have several million electric cars plugged in as well. Doesn't seem to be many addressing the issue at the moment and it could be a huge problem.
- cgruber, on 10/28/2007, -6/+3Everyone forgets that electric cars are only as clean as their source of electricity.. IE if a big coal plant produces the electricity, it's not very clean.
- tambalino, on 10/28/2007, -6/+0dsgfsd
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