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- TJ11240, on 07/10/2008, -3/+25As a Pennsylvanian, I'm happy to see my tax dollars going towards a worthwhile cause. Good job Rendell.
- davidg11, on 07/10/2008, -1/+18I trade the stock market (and a lot of alt. energy stocks) and apparently some of you guys don't understand how this works.
Volume production decreases the price of solar. (think silicon wafers/computer chips and the consumer electronics sector)
Someone always pays for those $20,000 plasma screens when they first come out but then volume drives them to $1000.
Solar is the same way. Government only needs to subsidize this industry for about 3-4 years before economies of scale and competition drives the price down per watt.
Evergreen Solar can produce a silicon panel at $2.65 per watt.
First Solar can produce thin film at $1.30 per watt.
My point is that solar IS getting cheaper with time however, mass production is necessary to drive it cheaper. - maeon3, on 07/10/2008, -4/+19In other news America just spent about 650 million in the last 15 minutes to support the War on a military tactic (war on terror) that every Military force utilizes.
It's like a 700 pound man eating a salad. I suppose it's a start. - waterboy1628, on 07/11/2008, -0/+9woohoo now lets abolish state stores!
- fcuknu, on 07/11/2008, -0/+6We spent 6.5 Billion on a plan for Bird Flu. At Least our Priorities are straight. Nice.
- sustainablogger, on 07/10/2008, -1/+7Yeah, government investment in technologies that produce clean, homegrown energy... only commies would want that. I'm guessing the taxpayer support of the oil and gas industry is just fine, though, huh?
- Jenadae, on 07/11/2008, -0/+5I don't get what you think we didn't get.
- minox, on 07/11/2008, -1/+6You see, we don't call it corporate welfare when it's for pv energy or any of our other pet projects that make us feel good.
- LoveWidescreen, on 07/11/2008, -3/+7Wait ... what???
As a Pennsylvanian, I have absolutely no problems in saying "***** you".
Who the hell are you to say that I should be *further* taxed so that stuck-up, "hey, look at me with my electric vehicle because it makes me LOOK like I care for the planet" types can get a rebate, meanwhile I have to pay more for the fuel in my 35 MPG Ford Focus that I purchased **BECAUSE** it gets 35 miles per gallon? Why don't I get a rebate because I bought a fuel efficient car? Why don't I get a rebate when I keep my car's maintenance schedule so that it continues to get that kind of mileage? Why don't I get a rebate because I keep my tires properly inflated?
Oh, and by the way the electricity for powering your oh-so-precious electric vehicles is probably not a clean source as Pennsylvania's primary source of electricity comes from COAL, seeing as how we have a ***** o' coal in them thar Appalachians. ( Source: http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/st_profil ... )
Let me guess. You don't live in Pennsylvania, so you won't be affected, therefore you don't give a *****, but - hey! - let Pennsylvanians deal with it, right?
Yeah, ***** you. - mrsammercer, on 07/11/2008, -0/+3All Hail the Corporatocracy!!! If someone isn't making personal profit it's Pinko Commie *****!!! PERIOD.
Seriously, you Neocons or Neoliberals or whatever you want to be called are insane. How about The Hoover Dam? The Interstate Highway System? State money made these things. Now it's time to tackle a new energy plan.
And name one pure and absolutely capitalist state that has worked for the middle class and I will literally eat your *****.
Also, absolute socialism doesn't work either. Why is it so hard to understand that some things are better off in private hands and some should be in the public domain? Its called balance. - hackmeister, on 07/11/2008, -0/+3I totally agree. I live close to Jersey and just buy the good stuff ad-hoc on the way home from work. My only real peeve about PA.
- WalkerTXclocker, on 07/11/2008, -0/+3Man, I would just be happy if I didn't have to buy beer by the case.
Yep, that's right. No 6 or 12 packs for us. Thank God I live close to the Ohio border. - qwertydvorak, on 07/11/2008, -0/+2$650 Million is a drop in the bucket that won't make much of a difference. one coal plant can cost over $2.5 billion to build. the taxpayers are going to pay 1/4 the cost of a coal plant to produce probably as much electricity as 1/8 of a coal plant.
Nuclear is the way to go cost / dollar in the near future. - inactive, on 07/11/2008, -1/+3driving through Penn on route 70 you see a field of giant windmills... this will help even more.
- theexitwound, on 07/11/2008, -0/+2Not just route 70, but route 6 around Scranton has a windfarm as well. And Pennsylvania is second to only Illinois (If I remember) in number of nuclear plants as well. There was talk about expanding the number of coal plants in the state as well a few years ago. We've always been eager to expand our energy sources.
- kdefacis, on 07/11/2008, -0/+2Being from Pennsylvania, I am glad the government is starting to take the environment seriously. No this is not the huge response that will change everything, but it is a start and will lead to more spending over time.
- Falldog, on 07/10/2008, -1/+3While it's pretty nice all around, I don't recall the state putting down this type of money to revitalize the public schools in the state. They've either been ***** for years or are circling the drain.
- LoveWidescreen, on 07/11/2008, -0/+1Not going to happen because the Unions are involved in those -- and just think of all of the poor Liquor Control Board employees who would have to get laid off if the State Stores became privatized! Oh, we can't have that! Think of the (employees') children!
The State Store system is the exact reason why I buy almost all of my alcohol in Maryland. - biswamona, on 07/11/2008, -0/+1good job................
- ElGstr, on 01/05/2009, -0/+1Cool
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“Voila, 4,641,748,800 megawatts a year. America’s heir and a spare to American energy independence. The Feds lease this land to U.S. Solar, Inc. (a strong, proud and patriotic USS for the stock exchange with We Love Sunlight Spills as its’ slogan) for The Nevada Solar Plant. U.S. Solar, Inc. is a red-blooded true blue American capitalist mega-corporation. U.S. Solar, Inc., through it’s Nevada division, Nevada Solar, Inc., gets the usual Federal and State tax subsides and contracts awarded to mega-corporations. A new breed of lobbyist is born, one driving electric cars with a solar panel on every roof. U.S. Solar, Inc. immediately pays it CEO $100 million a year plus perks and bonuses. U.S. Solar, Inc. hires illegals, has zero retirement and health care coverage, is non-union. It charges its’ employees for plugging in their electric cars, and each car has a solar panel on its roof. Ownership of electric cars is a condition to employment and the power generated by the solar panel on each car’s roof belongs to the U.S. Solar, Inc. electric grid. For those just not getting it :-( more ;-) tongue-in-cheek sarcasm going on here. Nevada Solar, Inc pays it CEO $50 million a year plus perks and bonuses. Within two years Nevada Solar, Inc., replicates itself in Montana and other American states, then goes global. It’s Another Great American Story. Brings a tear of patriotic pride to my eye, ‘cause boy, we really won that American War for Energy Independence. “ - inactive, on 07/11/2008, -3/+4With the billions of dollars rolling around, that is a penny on the dollar for any reasonable effort to help save the human race.
- nmessick, on 07/11/2008, -0/+1there is nothing wrong with government leading the way. However this is not the way to do it. This is a LOAN... its not an investment. We'll be paying this back in higher taxes for years to come. The government can invest, but they need to have some sense about it.
- gavinhudson, on 07/11/2008, -0/+1Hope to be reading more news like this in the near future.
- 33PercentGod, on 07/11/2008, -0/+1California doesnt give a ***** about anyone else,so don't be waiting for the mail.
- nmessick, on 07/11/2008, -1/+2I live 30 minutes from Harrisburg so we hear whats going on down there every day. That program was NOT PAID FOR. He took out a loan for $650 mil to give away. We'll end up paying double that over the years in interest. Fool.. this stuff is not free. Ed Rendel has been a disaster for this state, this kinda stuff is the reason why. I'm all for alternitive energy but this is not the way to do it.
If you know this guy, we just got gambeling in PA as well. The cover was that it would reduce property taxes. In the two years it took them to get the program up to speed, taxes had already incerase well beyond any relief that this would bring. Everyone things the underly reason was corrupt. Eddie had people who wanted to own Casinos so he pushed it though, sure did not make sense for the residents of the state. I don't doub this is any different. Half this money will probably be pissed away and pocked by the governers friends. - comptonstomp, on 07/14/2008, -0/+1because most of the rest of the country is living in the ***** dark ages. I hope your not from anywhere in the middle of the country, god bless your soul. Parts of the east coast are cool but for the most part california is where its at.
- VinceNoir, on 07/12/2008, -0/+1@nmessick
It's not supposed to be investments because that benefits the private sector which is undesirable. The public should be the ones getting primary benefit and the private sector should be footing the bill. - skinwill, on 07/11/2008, -0/+1glen miller?
- Tooch07, on 07/11/2008, -0/+1No way! They may be my next part-time employer!
- lettruthout, on 07/11/2008, -2/+2So you're against police and fire protection also? They're socialized.
- Barackalypse, on 07/11/2008, -2/+2Great, except Pennsylvania is projected to have a nearly 1 billion dollar budget defecti by the end of the fiscal year. This is irresponsible spending of money the state doesn't have. "Sen. Gibson E. Armstrong, who heads the Senate Appropriations Committee, said he expects a deficit at the end of the fiscal year of between $800 million and $1.2 billion."
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2008/07 ... - VinceNoir, on 07/11/2008, -3/+1Just... shut the ***** up. People like you are why we're in this ***** mess. Stupid screwballs and your insane ideas about free markets. Go DIAF.
- imacsaint, on 07/11/2008, -5/+3Renewable energy projects EXCEPT solar
that's *****
The wind energy being put into PA is poorly sited and is a travesty to the environment. Birds traveling across the ridges are being killed by the turbines and forest habitats are being destroyed to put up the giant turbines. Commercial wind energy is not the answer to the energy problem. It needs to be well sited in a localized and specialized way.
Our environmental science teacher did a whole unit on wind energy and how it just doesn't solve the energy problem. He told us that the power output of wind energy contributing to the energy problem is like spitting into the ocean to make the water level rise.
Read up on wind energy and be skeptical about it. Just because it's advertised as green does not make it green.
http://www.wind-watch.org - nmessick, on 07/11/2008, -2/+0did you happen to know that fat eddie took at a loan to do that right? We'll be paying the interest on this for years to come.
- cowsgonemadd3, on 07/11/2008, -4/+1You know if you get a salad and add dressing and crutons it has more fat and calories than a whopper?
- justanyone, on 07/10/2008, -7/+2This is great. I have one more suggestion for them:
Phase in a 5% gas tax used exclusively to issue rebate checks for purchasing an electric vehicle, or converting an existing vehicle to electric power. Rebate amount would be based on the onboard storage capacity in kilowatt-hours. Maximum one rebate per vehicle. - comptonstomp, on 07/10/2008, -12/+2Dear Pennsylvania,
How about throwin a million my way?
Lord knows the 650 million isnt really going to make a difference, but the million for me would change my life.
Looking forward to hearing back,
Signed Way out here in california - radiofrequency, on 07/10/2008, -12/+1"Support the sector". This is socialism. What a waste of taxpayer dollars it is to support products for which there are no buyers in the free market.
- darthsand, on 07/10/2008, -12/+1pennsylvania SO doesnt need that much cash!
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