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- JuanBSU, on 11/25/2008, -11/+90I thought this was talking about a prequel to Ocean's Eleven...
- charminggeek, on 11/25/2008, -4/+30MATH FAIL!
"The acidity increased ten times quicker than ... predicted."
10x increase in acidity ≠ 10x acidity - Kaleenki03, on 11/25/2008, -1/+24Yeah...I'm sure National Geographic knows a lot less about this whole issue than a digger named "*****."
- svendm, on 11/25/2008, -4/+20Lots of knee-jerk "all environmentalism is junk science" ***** today.
First off, this is basic f-ing chemistry here. If you dismiss the idea offhand, it means you're scientifically illiterate yourself. More CO2 in the atmosphere means more CO2 dissolved in water. It's called Henry's law. And CO2, when dissolved in water, forms carbonic acid.
This has nothing to do with global warming or anything. We're taking carbon out of the ground and releasing CO2. Atmospheric CO2 levels have increased steadily. Basic high-school chemistry says the oceans should become more acidic. The burden of proof is on those who claim otherwise. - If not, why not?
And if they just bothered to look for it, there's plenty of peer-reviewed articles linked here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_acidification - inactive, on 11/25/2008, -1/+14There's more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. More carbon dioxide in the atmosphere means more carbon dioxide dissolves into water. Carbon dioxide dissolved into water forms carbonic acid. My ***** God, it's not rocket science. *****, this principle is demonstrated every time you open a can of soda and it goes flat. Since when did the ideal gas law fall into the realm of pseudoscience?
- xsecretfiles, on 11/25/2008, -8/+21Acid Rain
Some stay dry and others feel the pain
Acid Rain
A baby whale born will die before the sin - inactive, on 11/25/2008, -1/+13The headline is incorrect.
"The acidity increased ten times quicker than climate models predicted." This is something that required monitoring over time to determine. - inactive, on 11/25/2008, -5/+16Thank you Mr. Scientist who has studied this over years and meticulously scrutinized the data.
Oh wait, you don't know what you're talking about?! le gasp!
Kill yourself, you waste of space. Either that or turn off that A/C and stop taking insulin if you don't trust scientific findings. - AirRaven, on 11/25/2008, -0/+11http://www.letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=Tatoosh+is ...
- inactive, on 11/25/2008, -3/+13Nope, so much for idiots like you who have no evidence for your claims but belittle the claims of scientists who have evidence to support their conclusions.
***** tolerance, I'm not going to tolerate jackasses like yourself who think you know ANYTHING about this ***** other than what you've been fed by conservative thinktanks THEN ACCUSE ME of being in some church of global warming.
You're a ***** idiot, seriously just slit your wrists now, you have nothing to contribute to humanity. - WasabiBomb, on 11/25/2008, -1/+11I don't know why I'm trying, since I know that you're pathologically incapable of believing that the neocons who do your thinking for you might be wrong, but what the hell.
1) We're producing CO2 at an unprecedented rate. Or, rather, we're releasing previously-sequestered CO2 back into the environment.
2) Water absorbs CO2, thereby becoming acidic. This is exactly how that soda sitting on your desk is carbonated, by the way. You can do this yourself with a bucket of tap water and some dry ice.
3) All life is adapted to its environment- in this case, a very specific range of pH levels. If their environment becomes too basic or acidic too quickly, they die.
Now, which step do you disagree with? Which step is "junk science"? - WasabiBomb, on 11/25/2008, -0/+9That's such a stupid statement, I don't really know where to start.
Salty does not equal acidity. Acidity is bad for animal life which is sensitive to pH levels- like plankton and coral. - inactive, on 11/25/2008, -1/+10Furthermore, do you guys think National Geographic is now some liberal shill or something? Seriously you people are ***** crazy.
- wbtittle, on 11/25/2008, -9/+1810 times more acidic than previously thought.... Ok. Let's identify our bases. pH is a log scale. A pH of 6 is 10 times more acidic than a pH of 7. In this case the pH has decreased from 8.175 down to 8.10 and is projected to decreased down to 7.7. Calling this acidification is an excellent example of exaggeration. The water at my home in Wisconsin had a pH of 5.5. That was acidic. This wasn't caused by acid rain, it was caused by very large amounts of pine trees on my property leaching into the soil. Oh the evil pine trees. I know lets cut them all down so things won't become too acidic.
It wouldn't make such a great article if they said, the Oceans are becoming less alkiline. Their ability to clean clothes has been reduced. (Phosphates are basic and are usually used in cleaning applications).
Speaking truthfully doesn't sell papers though. It especially doesn't get you a lot of traffic to your website. - themonkman, on 11/25/2008, -1/+9I'd like to put you in a room full of nothing but carbon dioxide and see how long you enjoy that "life giving" gas, but on to more important discussion...
The ocean actually provides us with most of the oxygen output that reaches our atmosphere. The reason is because of photosynthesizing plants and animal life, especially algae and kelp. Coral also tends to be the best place for some of this plant life to grow. Scientific studies have shown (as opposed to political rhetoric from those who have no background in such science) that the rising PH of our oceans are dissolving and killing both vital plant life and living coral reefs, as well.
The point, which seems to escape the troll "*****" is that the current PH in the ocean is very unbalanced, partially because of our own CO2 contributions in the atmosphere. It will greatly impact sea life, which in turn will impact the concentration of oxygen that we need to survive. Everything must have a workable equilibrium, and right now it's far off. If we can't change natures natural CO2 emissions, we must change our own, volcanoes be damned. There's really no reason why we should be burning ***** of fossil fuels when we have an infinite source of clean energy from that big burning ball of nuclear fusion that our planet circles around every year. The technologies are there to harness it, even in the most elementary form by using mirror concentrators and steam pipes. Hell, MIT has the perfect working model that costs next to nothing and can scale up! - jgtg32a, on 11/25/2008, -2/+10Wouldn't that be reading comprehension fail?
- bundwallah, on 11/25/2008, -0/+8I'd prefer Ocean's "Nein"
- IneedaSN, on 11/25/2008, -1/+9when CO2 is in balance with concentrations in the atmosphere yes the ocean will release the gas,
but since we have increased the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere it dissolves into the ocean. Its called the ideal gas law you hillbillies - CasualJesus, on 11/25/2008, -1/+9Me too.
- FrankDrebbin, on 11/25/2008, -1/+8Dr.Spaza, by studying the hard data and scientific methodology do you mean do nothing and make ignorant comments that offer no argument to the contrary of the article? Or are you suggesting that your superior knowledge of all the subjects Nation Geographic might report on means your disapproval is enough to convince everyone the oceans are not more acidic?
Its funny because there are these sciency type people who monitor the ocean and evaluate the hard data, with their damn ivy league degrees in physics and chemistry and biology making me feel stupid. But to know that your out there Dr. Spaza, telling me not to listen to those no-good-book-learners and the think-they're-so-smart lab coat wearing jerks makes me feel better about myself. Please, continue to state your irrational opinions with no regard for explaining why YOU know what you're talking about or even addressing the subject you are trying to argue against. - inactive, on 11/25/2008, -1/+8LMFAO... Oh yes, the ideal gas law is now a bunch of superstitious pseudoscientific nonsense. What next? Conservation of energy is a conspiracy?
- anonymousguy, on 11/25/2008, -0/+7yeah, me too. :)
- inactive, on 11/25/2008, -0/+7It is a secret government conspiracy making you pay for energy when we can just get it for free from this contraption I saw how to make on youtube!
- inactive, on 11/25/2008, -0/+7Then accusing us of doing the very thing they are doing... that is the most frustrating part.
- Trent1492, on 11/25/2008, -1/+8Did you read the article?
- wunksta, on 11/25/2008, -0/+7"When CO2 dissolves, it reacts with water to form a balance of ionic and non-ionic chemical species : dissolved free carbon dioxide (CO2 (aq)), carbonic acid (H2CO3), bicarbonate (HCO3-) and carbonate (CO32-). The ratio of these species depends on factors such as seawater temperature and alkalinity (see the article on the ocean's solubility pump for more detail)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_acidification - Brian48216, on 11/25/2008, -2/+9This is where the usual people in denial come in waving their tinfoil hats- everything is a conspiracy, everything is done for profit, apparently if you breathe in carbon dioxide you'll live longer because it's natural, etc etc.
- inactive, on 11/25/2008, -1/+8You don't know ***** about what comcast is doing and are basing you statements off of the heated rhetoric of other people who are ignorant but pretending to be knowledgeable. Seriously, just stop, you are completely ignorant as to what you're talking about.
Furthermore, any attempts to censor anything on the internet is futile. There are too many ways around any attempts at censorship that you're probably too stupid to understand it appears.
I don't want you to die because the carbon emissions, I want to you to die because you're a ***** psychotic ignoramus and are a danger to the gene pool and meme pool. - inactive, on 11/25/2008, -1/+7Unlike Hitler, I think you can actually STOP being an idiot. So stop being an idiot please and study math and science in detail for a decade or so. Then anything you have to say regarding subjects of this nature may have a bit of merit.
Otherwise, enjoy your paranoid delusions and superiority complex. - anonymous1986, on 11/25/2008, -0/+6Ignorance is bliss as they say.
- WasabiBomb, on 11/25/2008, -0/+6You probably don't need to be afraid of an acidic ocean during your lifetime. It's not like you're going to dissolve when you go surfing.
However, if you like coral, or plankton, or anything which relies on those for food, and which is very sensitive to pH levels, you should be VERY afraid. - inajeep, on 11/25/2008, -2/+8I happy to say I didn't.
- wunksta, on 11/25/2008, -0/+6a conspiracy so vast that it actually is able to control the things i see, adjust the numbers and data thats accumulated on my own! amazing!
i mean, who would imagine that the laws of physics and the science behind chemistry was A ***** CONSPIRACY!!!
god this ***** makes me so angry, im 24 and going to die of hypertension - playuhh, on 11/25/2008, -0/+6Yay! Logical thread amidst lots of hogwash! Let's celebration =D
- jgtg32a, on 11/25/2008, -1/+7Or maybe you've just woken up to digg's true nature, welcome to the real world, slapded.
- defwheezer, on 11/25/2008, -3/+9Deniers are a sad and dangerous lot. Tobacco+cancer, Ozone hole+freon, global climate change+carbon emissions, where will it end?
The acidifying of the oceans (along with massive fish depletion through over fishing) is destroying the oceans In OUR LIFETIMES.
http://www.state.gov/www/global/global_issues/cora ... - inactive, on 11/25/2008, -0/+6lulz
- inactive, on 11/25/2008, -1/+7And you think that a conspiracy that vast would have no leaks ever. Or that if a conspiracy was that vast it couldn't control media content on youtube. Or that perhaps stuff like that is planted by other crazy ***** like you who want to indulge in your paranoid delusions.
Who is childish?
You calling me stupid is ludicrous. - themonkman, on 11/25/2008, -0/+5I don't see how the article mentioned global warming, other than an ancillary mention about rising levels of CO2. Your absolutely correct about Henry's Law. I think what the article was trying to say was that in some ways the rising levels of carbonic acid, which comes from CO2 absorption, is leading some shell fish and other sea life who are based inside of calcium carbonate shells to relocate or die out. They also referenced what this could do to the shellfish industry, and the fish who inhabit those areas to feed on said shellfish.
- AmyVernon, on 11/25/2008, -8/+13That can't be good.
- oboshoe, on 11/25/2008, -3/+8Yes, because the fate of the world hangs on positive diggs
- amirman, on 11/25/2008, -3/+8i didn't know thought was acidic.
- wunksta, on 11/25/2008, -2/+7you should send your questions to the co-author:
John Timothy Wootton
Dept. of Ecology and Evolution
The University of Chicago
1101 East 57th Street
Chicago, IL 60637
twootton@uchicago.edu
http://pondside.uchicago.edu/ecol-evol/faculty/Woo ...
im sure hed be more than happy to answer any questions you may have if you misunderstand the science behind it, or think that you have something to point out. - subterfuge, on 11/25/2008, -0/+5http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anoxic_event
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permian-Triassic_exti ... - IneedaSN, on 11/25/2008, -0/+5HAHAHAH DUGG
- wunksta, on 11/25/2008, -0/+4thats exactly what im talking about. the mistake was pointed out and nasa had to make the correction, thats called peer review.
so instead of bitching about how the science COULD be wrong, ***** show HOW it is wrong. - wunksta, on 11/25/2008, -2/+6lots of the things in the ocean require a balance in the ph level, we are affecting that balance in a multitude of ways. thats important to understand and making a mockery of it is ignorant. saying its "sensationalist" is one thing, but chiding it for being unimportant is completely different.
- WasabiBomb, on 11/26/2008, -0/+41) Plants like sunlight, too. Put 'em under a magnifying glass, see how they do. They also like water. Submerge a cactus underwater, see how long it thrives. Too much of ANYTHING is BAD. Uh-oh.
2) Actually, it does. CO2 in H20= Carbolic ACID.
3) If all life works that way, then yes, way to generalize.
Seriously, Spaza- take a few science courses, read a few books, before you make yourself look even more stupid. - AirRaven, on 11/25/2008, -1/+5...Considered the possibility that the water itself absorbs Carbon Dioxide?
It's possible for both effects to happen at once. Life in the oceans emits Carbon Dioxide, as a byproduct of respiration. On the other hand, the water itself *absorbs* Carbon Dioxide, as the gas dissolves.
What you're doing's essentially parroting something you read on a Conservative Blog to the world, sticking your fingers in your ears, and refusing to contemplate the concept of there conceivably being more going on than they acknowledged in your original source. - Foamator, on 11/25/2008, -1/+5*****'s sake. The only reason I opened this page was to write *that exact* comment.
Only 17 hours and 23 minutes too late. 0.o -
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