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- MorganMghee, on 09/22/2008, -1/+13looking forward to seeing some interesting commentary.
- MercyPolitics, on 09/22/2008, -1/+11Great post, a must read.
- kelstock, on 09/22/2008, -1/+10Is this still a topic of debate? Why does it seem like politics and ***** is behind the "we're not causing climate change" folks?
- greenfyre, on 09/22/2008, -0/+4> What does "robust" mean?
Ever heard of a search engine? do we have to walk you through everything? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robustness http://www.babylon.com/define/85/science-dictionar ...
"So, someone disagrees with the ..."
Are you being deliberately obtuse or are you really that thick? Seriously, I can't tell.
As you should know if you have ever read anything I post, the science that anthropogenic climate change is real and serious is clear.
I have never made any claim that every detail is sorted out, merely that it is fact and the Denier drivel that you subscribe to (like the pathetic hockey stick dead horse http://www.realclimate.org/wiki/index.php?title=Th ... is nonsense. - psy333che, on 09/22/2008, -0/+3 A really great article makes you think and it brings about arguments of the importance of the effect of the solar wind on the density of the atmosphere and all that it effects.
I am sure there will be many opinions on this I do think we need as much input and many sources to help truly understand the changes. - jodimcmullen, on 09/22/2008, -1/+2People, you can drive near any city and see the smog, that IS climate change. Smog is poisonous air created by burning carbon based fuels. I don't understand how people can deny it exists when it is even visible from outer space now. Where do people think it goes? It is like the old political saying, who do you believe "me or your lying eyes"... lol.
- BigManOnCampus, on 09/22/2008, -5/+1Once again, solar irradiance is used as a catch-all for all solar forcing. I'm really curious why climate scientists believe that em radiation from the sun is the only solar influence on earth's climate.
FTA: "...we perform a robust multivariate analysis using the best available estimates of each together with the observed surface temperature record from 1889 to 2006"
What does "robust" mean? Amazingly this is a common phrase used by the hockey-stick crowd to justify not displaying their methodology. Buried for being poorly explained science.
oh, and this gem is amazing, directly from the Abstract: "...and zonally averaged responses to both natural and anthropogenic forcings that differ distinctly from those indicated by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, whose conclusions depended on model simulations. Anthropogenic warming estimated directly from the historical observations is more pronounced between 45°S and 50°N than at higher latitudes whereas the model-simulated trends have minimum values in the tropics and increase steadily from 30 to 70°N."
So, someone disagrees with the models put forth by the IPCC? Wait, weren't you always trying to sell me on how the science was settled Greenfyre? How all the models just needed refining? Here you have someone that you posted who is saying that his results differ from the IPCC results, almost diametrically so. - JazLive, on 09/22/2008, -6/+1I am more spiritual than scientific. Could it be possible, that "nights light up like it's day time" babels night-life that requires "total darkness to thrive"?
adding:
- energy production to light up the night (gas, coal, hydro, natural gas, ...)
- constant vibrations of road travelers
- addition of homeless people and their fourth-world living conditions
- cluttered outer atmosphere with space junk
- space junk falling back to Earth
- lie pollution
- Uranium shifting, from that bombing blunder, during Bush, Sr. admin
- leaking Chernobyl (city abandoned back in the mid 80s)
- rising concern of thyroid cancer in Children of Chernobyl
- ???
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