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global-warming.accuweather.com — I am absolutely astounded that someone who refuses to publicly debate anyone on this matter and has no training in the field narrated a movie where frames of nuclear explosions were interspersed in a subliminal way in scenes of droughts and flood, among other major gaffes, can say these things and then have them accepted... by anyone.
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- bullcutter, on 03/30/2008, -4/+6how many more years of global cooling or global nothing will it take for everybody else to figure this out?
- vikingcoder, on 03/31/2008, -3/+6Climate is defined as the average over 30 years. A single year of cooling, half of which occurred in one month, does not disprove a 30 year trend. Using the strongest El Nino event of the 20th century as a zero point is duplicitous and willfully ignorant.
- bullcutter, on 03/31/2008, -5/+2"A single year of cooling, half of which occurred in one month, does not disprove a 30 year trend. "
but 2 years does.
"Using the strongest El Nino event of the 20th century as a zero point is duplicitous and willfully ignorant."
I don't even know what the ***** you're talking about. So I can't even be willfully ignorant, *****. And ***** you, you do deserve to be called *****. ***** you till you can figure out how not to. - climateHeretic, on 04/01/2008, -1/+1So lets look a your thirty year trend, oh that started at the bottom of the 1970's natural cooling period. How convenient for you.
- bullcutter, on 03/31/2008, -5/+2"A single year of cooling, half of which occurred in one month, does not disprove a 30 year trend. "
- vikingcoder, on 03/31/2008, -4/+4http://skepticalscience.com/Global-warming-stopped ...
The current "plateau" of global temperature is not only not unusual but is expected. Global warming hasn't reversed. Rather, this is a brief respite before solar activity begins rising in Solar Cycle 24. When this happens, in the words of Tung and Camp 2007, solar forcing will double the amount of global warming expected from greenhouse warming alone. - wrongonce, on 04/01/2008, -1/+1Bullcutter. You will not get an answer to this question.
Vikingcoder, nobody is trying to disprove a 30 year trend. Not sure where you are getting this concept from or why you are arguing against it.
As we have agreed in the past, all climatic movements up to the mid 70s are completely within the scope of natural fluctuations -- therefore not a subject to be discussed in the hypothetical AGW. Only climate changes since mid 70s are subject to the discussion of AGW.
How much of the change from the mid 70s is due to human consumption of fossil fuels? Is there any limit to the amount CO2 can heat the atmosphere? Would infinite CO2 cause the atmosphere to become infinitely hot? Is there a limit, if so, what is it and why? Can you demonstrate, with facts, exactly how any warming to any degree will be harmful (more than helpful) with a full assessment of all factors globally (not limited to Vanuatu or Holland)?
- vikingcoder, on 03/31/2008, -3/+6Climate is defined as the average over 30 years. A single year of cooling, half of which occurred in one month, does not disprove a 30 year trend. Using the strongest El Nino event of the 20th century as a zero point is duplicitous and willfully ignorant.
- Deathrideshorse, on 03/31/2008, -3/+1Petition:
We, the undersigned, call on the Governments of the world to use some common sense when distributing Energy subsidies.
Why must the taxpayer subsidise the largest cause of man-made Global Warming(Fossil Fuel electricity generation) whilst alternative energy solutions such as Solar Thermal are forced to struggle?
Why must the consumer be asked to pay extra for "Green" Energy when his/her taxes are subsidising the very antithesis?
We, the undersigned, are not impressed with such hypocrisy.
http://www.gopetition.com/online/17583.html
*pass it on!* - wrongonce, on 03/31/2008, -2/+1But he must not be a scientist, or if he is he must be one of those oil-shill deniers, or if he's not one of those he's just plain a dummy.
Can we all just stop the debate and move forward to the question "what are we going to do about the fraud?"- Boggie08, on 04/02/2008, -1/+1The problem is that there never was a debate. Al Gore and the UN said global warming exists, and that was it. Anyone who disagrees is attacked. That is not the way a free society should operate.
- cashman57, on 03/31/2008, -2/+6The only way any of the globalwarming/climatechange fearmongers can get their computer models to show global warming is by excluding all data from both above ground and submarine volcanic activity.
When you ask them about el nino they tell you it is a warming of the waters in the Pacific. If you ask if it can be caused by volcanic activity you get a blank stare.
So far these alarmists have been able to suck a bunch of people into the scam but Common sense questions throw a wrench into their gears.- vikingcoder, on 03/31/2008, -3/+3This is copy & pasted from the time you posted this back in January.
http://digg.com/environment/Agriculture_may_declin ...
Volcanoes emit 150 - 200 million tons CO2 / year globally; that includes both subaerial and submarine volcanoes. Humanity's 28 billion tons of CO2 emissions in 2005 exceed all the volcanic emissions during the entire 20th century.
The only other GHG that volcanoes emit is water vapor which shortly condenses back out of the atmosphere since the long-term atmospheric water vapor concentration is a function of temperature.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/iea/carbon.html
( table H.1co2 => http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/international/iealf/tab ... )
http://volcano.und.edu/vwdocs/Gases/man.html
http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/Hazards/What/VolGas/volg ...
If you are claiming that the El Nino effect is caused by submarine volcanism, I would be very interested in seeing any scientific sources that you could provide.- cashman57, on 04/01/2008, -1/+3Back in January I didn't write anything about CO2 and I am still wondering how you can connect CO2 with the cooling effect of volcanic eruptions. Why you still cling to CO2 when nobody even mentioned CO2 must be something stuck in YOUR brain.
There's ample proof that above ground volcanic eruptions cause a cooling effect that lasts for years. If you had actually read what I wrote you would know that. Submarine volcanoes do not emit any CO2 into the atmosphere, that is well known. CO2 does not warm the planet. CO2 is a naturally occurring gas necessary for plant life, not a pollutant.
Wake up.
The reason NONE of the computer models use data from volcanic activity is because it will prove their theories wrong. Stop harping about CO2.
- cashman57, on 04/01/2008, -1/+3Back in January I didn't write anything about CO2 and I am still wondering how you can connect CO2 with the cooling effect of volcanic eruptions. Why you still cling to CO2 when nobody even mentioned CO2 must be something stuck in YOUR brain.
- vikingcoder, on 03/31/2008, -3/+3This is copy & pasted from the time you posted this back in January.
- Boggie08, on 04/02/2008, -1/+1If global warming exists, Al Gore should be willing to debate his detractors. He says you have to be stupid to disagree with him, so he should just demonstrate the stupidity of the naysayers.
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