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- NMRgentleman, on 06/27/2009, -24/+214Complete with an early morning, 300 page addition that probably not a single member of the House has read, for a bill that was already over 1000 pages. (Need I even mention that the public hasn't had time to digest and comment on it!) Let me just suggest that it cannot be a good thing when a vote is rushed through on a bill before it can even be understood!
- Doubledown, on 06/27/2009, -55/+221Sad sad day for America.
- AmnesiacJack, on 06/27/2009, -32/+174We just tied a huge weight around American technology and industry. Other countries are probably laughing at the handicap we just gave our selves.
Why did they only have 12 or so hours to read the bill? That bill is going to shape the face of American history for the next century if it passes in the senate (which it probably will). Is it really to much to ask that they spend a least a little time going over these things to make sure they really understand what is in the paperwork? Regardless of which side of the line you stand on this is insane that more time isn't being given to go over these bills, where is the transparency! Why arn't these being posted on the gov website 5 days in advance?
You all bitched and complained about Bush being power hungry but have no problems with this administration doing the same things. None of the powers that Bush granted have been overturned or given back, remember that. - govsucks, on 06/27/2009, -39/+165If you so much as fart, we'll tax you with this new bill.
-Nancy Pelosi - ericdano, on 06/27/2009, -23/+128What happened to the promise to let the public SEE BILLS for a while and let us comment on them? Wasn't this part of the "transparency" talk Obama had? No? Yes?
I think we, the American people, are getting stuff rammed down our throats and no one is doing anything about it. There seems to be NO DEBATES on anything in Congress right now, and not even the PEOPLE get to see what is getting passed that we have to pay for. Can anyone say STIMULUS PACKAGE? Anyone get a chance to read that before it got passed? And it is doing what right now? - angryfirelord, on 06/27/2009, -11/+102Oh look, the House just passed another 1200 page bill without reading it. Way to be transparent guys. /s
We have nothing to gain and everything to lose. If you really want to promote cleaner energy, why not extend tax credits to consumers and businesses that install solar panels on their roofs? Why does every solution to the environment have to be regulation? There are ways to help out the environment without crippling the economy. - PacoLugi, on 06/27/2009, -27/+11320% unemployment coming soon.
- biogears, on 06/27/2009, -20/+96People think that someone ELSE is going to pay the costs - WRONG - the costs to industry, like ALL costs, are passed down to the end user.
- orangefly, on 06/27/2009, -26/+95i am far from a righty and i say BAD IDEA GUYS....
- lead2thehead, on 06/27/2009, -18/+75They want businesses to buy CARBON PERMITS? This is ridiculous. The climate has been in a constant state of change since the beginning of time and no amount of government regulation is going to stop it. All this will do is burden American businesses that are already struggling.
- squat01, on 06/27/2009, -11/+67I just read all of the regulations in that bill. Where do you guys think that the utility companies are going to get the cash to put up enough wind/solar power to make 20% by 2020? They either get it from a tax break/grant (so us) or they just charge us more for electricity (so us). We're footing the bill on this bill and the bill is going to be huge.
At least give us more than 12 ***** hours to read it and comment on it before you guys pass it. It would be hilarious if someone read the bill and then quizzed our congress on it. 10:1 that they wouldn't even score a 50%.
I'm no righty, but I'm also no lefty. I want us to use more renewable energy so that we use less oil. The less black stuff we use the more secure our energy infrastructure will be and the less money will go to terrorists that want to kill us. But for ***** sake can we do it in a way that doesn't cripple us please. - UTKEngineer, on 06/27/2009, -6/+61This is popularly referred to as "transparency."
:( - inactive, on 06/27/2009, -17/+67Goodbye money, I hardly knew ye.
- curtisag, on 06/27/2009, -18/+65The good news is the Democratic defections allow for filibusters in the senate. At they very least, reading the bill will be an option. This bill is going to limit future job growth and GDP, no doubt about it.
- inactive, on 06/27/2009, -16/+60Okay, to all the lefties and the clueless:
Obama himself acknowledged that this Cap and Trade fiasco will make your electric bill skyrocket. Okay? He admitted it over a year ago.
This plan is a massive hidden tax. ON EVERYONE. - mshiplet, on 06/27/2009, -20/+62Good idea to sneak it in while a bunch of other things are going on (Iran, MJ, etc..)
- oboshoe, on 06/27/2009, -13/+53This bill will create hundreds of thousands of jobs in private industry and government.
Private industry to have to hire thousand and thousands to file paperwork
Government will hire thousands and thousands to process the paperwork.
An entire industry will spring up to deal with this new bureaucratic leviathon.
It won't do much for our GDP, nor will it do much for our world wide competitiveness. It won't even make a difference in the environment. But it will do wonders for the size of government.
So...whats in YOUR wallet? - Gillespee, on 06/27/2009, -14/+53Plus, this hasn't worked at all in Europe. Despite Cap and Trade legislation there, their carbon-dioxide output has gone up!
- cleffyowns, on 06/27/2009, -16/+54Nobody read it, and of course, it passed. 1,201 pages that no one read is going to cost us $845 billion over the next 10 years.
It takes a profoundly ignorant American to not realize that this bill is going to increase their cost of living by a fairly good clip. - datatribe, on 06/27/2009, -20/+58Totally agree - funny (hmmm) how folks are mum when it's their president of choice doing the raping of the country. This constant extremism from one end to the other is killing America faster than the Taliban ever dreamed of.
Guess what folks - Cheney may have routed some contracting jobs to Haliburton, but he never sold out the entire economy or worked so hard to take away your basic right to protect and provide for your family. Obama and the Dems are working at least 10 fold harder at screwing America over than any neocon ever could have aspired to. - amfort, on 06/27/2009, -22/+60Recovery act, government provided health-care, cap and trade......
All without raising taxes on anyone making less than $250,000.
Anyone believe that? - datatribe, on 06/27/2009, -14/+51If anybody comes across a list of those who voted for it, please post it.
- papashawn, on 06/27/2009, -16/+53Heard of a sound bite of pelosi today:
"I can summarize this bill in four words...JOBS, JOBS, JOBS, JOBS! cast your vote today for JOBS!!!!"
...bitch, government doesn't exist to create jobs for people. That's what the industries you're ***** over are for.
Taking a bat to the kneecaps of the economy. We should call her Nancy Kerrigan. - evilesttoast, on 06/27/2009, -7/+42As somebody who is/was against Obama and McCain, he's right. The people who supported Obama bitched and moaned about Bush being bad, but Obama making bad/worse decisions goes unspoken of.
- larrimer7, on 06/27/2009, -27/+62please be sarcasm
- Rhawk187, on 06/27/2009, -19/+52What's a shame is that if 4 of the 8 Republicans that voted for it, would have voted against it, it would have failed, so close, yet so far away.
- funkedup, on 06/27/2009, -9/+41My electric bill is poised to rise 90% because of this...
- absconder22, on 06/27/2009, -6/+38"Let me just suggest that it cannot be a good thing when a vote is rushed through on a bill before it can even be understood!"
This is the Democrats' version of the Patriot Act. I have no idea which one is worse. - cliffotn, on 06/27/2009, -6/+38Really its kind of funny, in a "Ha! that's MY house burning down!" kinda way.
Of all the options presented to our representatives, they chose to pass a tax bill. Color me surprised. - Rhawk187, on 06/27/2009, -3/+33Here are the Republicans that voted for it:
Mary Mack Bono - CA 45th Michael Castle - DE At Large Mark Kirk - IL 6th Leonard Lance - NJ 7th Frank LoBiondo - NJ 2nd John McHugh - NY 23rd Davie Reichert - WA 8th Chris Smith - NJ 4th - mfc5200, on 06/27/2009, -5/+34Exactly, I would almost argue that no piece of legislation that is good can be over a reasonable number of pages. If our Constitution and Declaration of Independence together can be fit into less than 50 pages, then I see no reason for a bill to be so big.
On another note, this gives the government way too much power. It effectively lets them decide which industries will be allowed to exist in the country, which ones will be put out of business, and which companies are allowed to succeed. If the Feds literally wanted a company to go out of business, they could just deny them energy permits.
I don't understand, assuming a problem exists, why they couldn't have taken a simpler route. Example, legislation already exists for taxes on gasoline, coal, etc. They could have just kept the existing legislation, raised those taxes, and then lowered income taxes respectively. This would have kept revenues neutral, encourage people to work more (less taxes), and to use less energy. I would have been in favor of something like that. - akchrs, on 06/27/2009, -10/+39Yeah cause only Republicans pay taxes....
- Rhawk187, on 06/27/2009, -5/+34Because all it really amounted to was a 5.7Trillion dollar tax over the next 20 years. 85% of which is going for allowances to special interest groups.
The overall estimates are that electricity prices will rise about 90%, and gas will go up about $.70 a gallon.
All for what they are predicting will be a .05 to .2 degree difference in warming over the next 50-100 years. - nemo001, on 06/27/2009, -14/+42Full of taxes levied on businesses with costs to be passed on to the already over-taxed consumer to generate more revenue for a fiscally irresponsible government. Yep, the democrats are indeed in charge.
- dcracauer, on 06/27/2009, -2/+30I think this is it:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll477.xml - roho76, on 06/27/2009, -16/+42I was just thinking I wanted to pay higher energy costs.
- datatribe, on 06/27/2009, -8/+33Pelosi's hand I think.
- yocouchdigga, on 06/27/2009, -6/+31neither side is working for us, stop the "neener neener", "us vs. them" *****, it's real ***** old and it's still not working for us.
- glialisback, on 06/27/2009, -15/+40Just remember this the next time you vote.
Thanks for the Change.... - UTKEngineer, on 06/27/2009, -4/+29@evanft - show me where Obama has threatened to veto this bill if the public isn't allowed proper time to digest and comment on it.
- oboshoe, on 06/27/2009, -24/+48Its not perfect.
In fact, its a disaster for America. - dandd20006, on 06/27/2009, -15/+39I strongly urge everyone to contact their senators and tell them that we will not stand for this crap legislation! Make it well known that not only will you vote against them, but you will also actively campaign against them if they vote for the "cap and trade" legislation.
- dbzssj44676, on 06/27/2009, -3/+26This thing was 1200 pages and no one read it.... just like the TARP bailouts.
I also express my skepticism towards AGW. - ColonelJessup, on 06/27/2009, -20/+43Change we can believe in.
/s - Ferretman, on 06/27/2009, -22/+44Wow--what a DISASTER for America.
Shoddy, poorly-written law based on unproven, badly-researched and cherry-picked 'science'....
Obama voters -- sorry yet? - oboshoe, on 06/27/2009, -8/+30"Where do you guys think that the utility companies are going to get the cash "
Same place that we are going to get the money for Government healthcare.
Same place that we are going to get the money to pay the interest on the staggering debt.
Same place that we are going to get the money to pay for the stimulous
Same place that we are going to get the money to bail out GM
Same place that we are going to get the money to bail out the banks.
Just look in the mirror - rocke86, on 06/27/2009, -8/+30Many with low income may have to just give up on electricity and gas. Sad, but a black market for using coal to heat homes may pop up to fill the gap for low income people. With the way everything is moving in a few years I could picture people getting sent to prison for smuggling coal. The "War on Carbon" has begun!
- inactive, on 06/27/2009, -13/+35Amazingly, there are people who believe that.
Those idiots voted for Obama. - andrewlotta, on 06/27/2009, -14/+36I'm a bit confused.
How do wealthy politicians pass a bill full of ***** that will affect each and every individual in this country...that they didn't even read?
I just can't comprehend this. - azikrogar, on 06/27/2009, -3/+24***** ***** this pisses me off. I've been off for the summer and watching C-SPAN for the past few days. I have one thing to say. OUR ***** SYSTEM IS BROKEN!! These guys are full of such bull *****. No one read the whole 1200 pages. I'm reading it now and it will probably take me until Sunday to finish. ***** me and ***** them..damnit I'm pissed....this is *****' ***** *****.
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