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Global warming? largest snow pack since1966 show me the heat

nationalpost.com — The snow pack in the northern hemisphere is the largest on record since 1966, the polar ice has rebounded , and new studies of the sun predict a cooling phase WHO IS THE DENIER NOW

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  • JimintheOC, on 02/25/2008, -14/+44The planet has a fever!!!! No, wait - it has a cold. No - it's dying. No, it's the rain forest. No - it's the SUV's. No, it's nuclear energy. No, it's the unborn babies. No matter what it is, it's all Bush's fault.
    • eth3l, on 02/25/2008, -5/+20What will we blame after 08? Bush still, I presume.

      Great comment
    • bernandoo, on 02/25/2008, -8/+5No. It's obviously divorce silly!

      http://digg.com/environment/Is_Divorce_Bad_for_the ...
    • Chahrlie5, on 02/25/2008, -5/+14WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    • yodaj007, on 02/26/2008, -1/+5I blame Zoidberg!
      • LordSeth, on 02/26/2008, -0/+1"I don't trust that doctor. I bet I've lost more patients than he's even treated."
    • Peko, on 02/26/2008, -4/+1One year is not a trend.
      • wardawg31, on 02/27/2008, -0/+3Neither are the 15 years that global warming alarmist are using for scare tactics.
    • PorchSong, on 02/26/2008, -0/+4Now what are the alarmist going to call this? It was once Global Warming--opps, evidence not supported. Then Man-Made Global Warming (that ought to get our attention)--opps wrong again, that pesky evidence keeps getting in their way. Now it's "CLIMATE CHANGE," as everything falls under that. Think on it: If the temperatures drops, must be climate change. If temps rise, again climate change. And of course all of it is man-made and primarily America's, eh em, Bush's fault. Ohh, ignorance is bliss.

      Why they are so dismissive of sun activity is utterly beyond me. Here is a good analogy: If you are boiling some water on a stove; you turn the heat up and the water gets warmer. Standing over that pot 'breathing' on it with your greenhouse gases, does NOT make the water boil faster. So, you turn the heat up on the burner and the water gets even warmer. And by chance, for a goof, you turn the heat down, it gets cooler. How can this be? An actual heat source controlling the temp of the water? Tell me how the sun is any different? It is the ONLY heat source for the earth. But then I forget there is no money in global cooling--all the grants the scientist get would evaporate if there was global cooling.
  • crazywarthog, on 02/25/2008, -11/+25The fat lady along with the climate change chameleons will be singing the global cooling song soon ! Doom & gloom is their game. What a terrible way to live your life.
  • bullcutter, on 02/25/2008, -11/+30Now the global warmists are going to say "well this event does not disprove global warming", and we're gonna have to sit here and take it as they fall back on their 1 study that has shown a possibly 1 degree raise in temp over 150 yr .

    This story will only get about as far as Drudge, I doubt any penetration in the mainstream media, but when the scaremongering eco-idiots (like Al Gore and Bill McKibben) blame the next hurricane, tornado, wildfire or hot day on global warming, its going to be published on the front page of hundreds of papers worldwide, on the cover of National Georgraphic, Newsweek, Nature magazines and not to forget gobbled up by passive, cerebrally-disconnected, bleeding-heart television audiences.

    Global warming isn't a thing that happens, its a way that people feel about things that happens to have very little merit in reality.
  • inboxnews, on 02/25/2008, -11/+35"If you tell a lie enough times, it becomes the truth."

    -Al Gore
    • JediJJ, on 02/25/2008, -4/+14Actually that was Joseph Goebbels...
      I can't imagine how you confused Al Gore with the world's most notorious propagandist

      /sarcasm
  • OBDriftwood, on 02/25/2008, -8/+24Heretic! And it's called "Climate Change". Unless of course it can actually be shown to increase temperatures in which case "Global Warming" is acceptable. Either way we need to halt the advances of civilization caused by capitalism and start living in caves and eating bugs.
    • floorman56, on 02/25/2008, -3/+14Unless the bugs are endangered ...then you starve
    • DerangedPenguin, on 02/26/2008, -2/+6I for one will continue to eat my fresh "Kipper Snacks", not really a whole lot of bugs down here in the Antarctic... And I was really looking forward to not having to spend another ***** cold ass winter on the ice, trying to keep the wife's egg from freezing.
  • elasticsoul, on 02/25/2008, -26/+12"OK, so one winter does not a climate make. It would be premature to claim an Ice Age is looming just because we have had one of our most brutal winters in decades.

    But if environmentalists and environment reporters can run around shrieking about the manmade destruction of the natural order every time a robin shows up on Georgian Bay two weeks early, then it is at least fair game to use this winter's weather stories to wonder whether the alarmist are being a tad premature."

    Unfortunately, we 'environmentalists' don't get perturbed at the occasional wayward robin. We do get very concerned by a preponderence of scientific evidence pointing in a particular direction. So one article in the National Post hardly disproves that evidence. And, by-the-way, increased weather variability is an expected symptom of climate change.
    • badqat, on 02/25/2008, -8/+24So....extreme cooling is an expected event from global warming? Hmm...full of crap much?
      • ekso, on 02/25/2008, -9/+4Yes. It´s a consequence of increased enthropy.
        • BigManOnCampus, on 02/26/2008, -1/+6What is a consequence of increased entropy? Extreme cooling from global warming?
          So increased disorder is a cause of global cooling? Why can't global warming also be an effect of increased entropy? In fact, why can't the changes in our climate all be a result of increased entropy? I've studied thermodynamics, so I already know the answer to my question, and the answer is yes. The fact is, everything related to climate is generally a result of entropy increasing. So please rephrase and come up with a meaningful thing to say.
          • yellownumber5, on 02/26/2008, -3/+0Bawhahahahah!!!
            Read what you just typed in here.....It should be obvious what I mean. ESPECIALLY if you've been studying for your chem or physics 102 class. Seriously, just reread it. You'll see.
      • SQLDigger, on 02/25/2008, -3/+7Come on dude, didn't you see The Day After Tomorrow? It's all RIGHT THERE!!!! Hollywood be praised! Amen and AL-lelujah!!
    • Doofy, on 02/25/2008, -4/+22But it's not just "one cold winter" in the Norther Hemisphere, it was also a record cold winter in the SOUTHERN hemisphere just this last summer.
      Seems the entire earth is having a very cold year. All this in the presence of "record" amounts of CO2 in the atmosphere.
      So maybe CO2 doesn't do a damn thing to the earth's temperature. Maybe it's the sun.
      • FritzKatz, on 02/26/2008, -1/+3We are at a low in the 11 year sunspot cycle. Just wait 6 1/2 years and it'll be abnormally warm and the Global Warmists can start hissing again.
      • eir574, on 02/26/2008, -3/+3Do you seriously not believe that the chemical composition of our atmosphere has the potential to have an impact on how much heat it retains? I'm asking in all seriousness here, because I see the "maybe it's the sun, idiots" comment a lot (very occasionally without the "idiots" part). I can understand that some people (mostly non-climate scientists) feel that it's intuitively obvious that humans aren't contributing enough carbon dioxide to the atmosphere to affect temperatures, but I don't get why people don't think that it's at least a theoretical possibility that CO2 could have a role to play in the global climate if we dumped enough of it into the atmosphere.
        • SamMcPhy, on 02/26/2008, -0/+4CO2 comprises approximately 0.03% of the atmosphere. Water vapor comprises approximately 1.96% of the atmosphere. The effects of CO2 in the atmosphere are absolutely dwarfed by the effects of water vapor in the atmosphere. Also, Compared to former geologic times, Earth's atmosphere is "CO2 impoverished."
          In the last 600 million years of Earth's history only the Carboniferous Period and our present age, the Quaternary Period, have witnessed CO2 levels less than 400 ppm, except during periods of glacial expansion during ice ages. The Carboniferous Period and the Ordovician Period were the only geological periods during the Paleozoic Era when global temperatures were as low as they are today. To the consternation of global warming proponents, the Late Ordovician Period was also an Ice Age while at the same time CO2 concentrations then were nearly 12 times higher than today -- 4400 ppm.
          Also, ice core data shows atmospheric CO2 level increases follow warming - in other words, the warming driver is not increased atmospheric CO2.

          • eir574, on 02/26/2008, -2/+2IANACS (I am not a climate scientist), but I would be surprised by two things: (1) if we actually knew with a reasonable degree of certainty what global temperatures were during the paleozoic era, and (2) if any reputable climate scientist claims to be able to predict global temperatures just from the carbon dioxide content.
            Global climate models do take water vapor into account (assuming we're again talking about models built by halfway decent scientists), and there's no doubt that it's a greenhouse gas. But, the amount of water vapor the atmosphere can hold increases with increasing temperature, so there's a positive feedback loop. The important quantities are not which gases contribute the most to the earth's temperature at steady state, but which gases would have the biggest effect if their levels were pushed up slightly.

            Of course, my original complaint was that people who snidely comment that the sun must be the only major determinant of the earth's temperature are contributing nothing to the debate. :)
    • BigManOnCampus, on 02/25/2008, -3/+12What exactly is, "Increased weather variability."? Can you please explain that in detail? Are you saying that the weather will be more chaotic? What joy, if you're saying that you're simply restating the second law of thermodynamics, the increase of entropy. You're doing the equivalent of restating the obvious.

      What I'll bet is that you have no solid definition for "increased weather variability" and instead are using it as a blanket term to explain the unpredicted coming to pass and re-package said unpredictability as something that scientists claiming doom-and-gloom have somehow "predicted". I might as well read my horoscope each day and believe every word they say when they tell me "An old friend will have an affect of my life this week." You are saying absolutely *NOTHING* of value when you say "increased weather variability" is an expected symptom of anything.
    • Xenufield, on 02/25/2008, -3/+14"And, by-the-way, increased weather variability is an expected symptom of climate change."

      It sure is nice that the Cult of Climate Change has worked its propaganda so well that the above is seen as true, it allows you to simply never, EVER be wrong. If nothing happens, you'll take credit. If something happens, you'll claim it was because we didn't try to stop it. Your hubris will destroy you and your ilk, and hopefully not the rest of the world by collapsing our economies with productivity punishment taxes and restrictions.
  • Chahrlie5, on 02/25/2008, -9/+15Symptom lol, the only symptom of Climate Change (Not global warming anymore apparently, since that's too restrictive and would piss all over their already beyond ***** retarded wails) is pussy environmentalists who don't realize that the Earth and solar system, galaxy, ***** the WHOLE UNIVERSE is a dynamic thing and has ***** all to do with a ***** SUV.
  • BigManOnCampus, on 02/25/2008, -5/+10Very soon, very soon... da sheet will heet de fan. In a way I'm glad that Obama is likely our next president. I want the Democrats in power when the ultra-left-wing environmentalists get a huge piece of pie in their face by being wrong about global warming.
    • aki009, on 02/25/2008, -2/+8Your statement makes the assumption that the demos would allow such information to get published by the primary brainwashing methods... err, I mean, mass media. I would wager that Obama as president would be worse than Clinton, as the latter is almost guaranteed to be bogged down by scandals and such, whereas the former can push his socialist agenda with presumably fewer such distractions. Though it's likely that Obama will have his Clinton moment in the end, as I'm not so certain that it's possible for a politician to emerge from Illinois and still smell like roses.
      • BigManOnCampus, on 02/26/2008, -2/+4I don't understand why people fear the media. They're incompetent, so blatantly so. They get proven wrong so often, their entire careers consist of not mentioning their own mistakes.
      • Iconoclast25, on 02/26/2008, -1/+8The obamination parrots the dogmas of owl gore and the chorus to chicken littles. He will rush to sign some foolish bull ***** document like the kyoto protocols on his way to tithe the US to support the useless nabobs and other globalist causes. He's a light weight empty suit bobble head, nothing more.
    • Xenufield, on 02/25/2008, -2/+9In case you were too young to remember slick willy's 8 years, the media will blanket anything bad that happens, then if possible blame it on a republican like blaming Bush for 9/11 when so much went down during Clinton's terms that could've stopped it.

      We're going to be hearing about how awesome our economy is while president Obama/Clinton collapse us into an unstoppable depression, while blaming Bush's tax cuts for cutting revenue, despite the irrefutable proof that he has created the greatest tax revenue and economy in US/world history but just is as fiscally stupid as Obama and Hilary.
  • aki009, on 02/25/2008, -4/+6Repent, repent, the end is near, pull out the ice-age-is-coming-gear!
  • empirefalling, on 02/25/2008, -20/+8Fools. Climate Change is real and the evidence is overwhelmingly conclusive. Most individuals that rebuff the scientific data confirming the planet is indeed moving into severe Climate Change due to the pollution and environmental damage from Capitalism and the United States, see only black and white. Climate Change is not only about how excessive Earths temperatures will ultimately reach within a few decades, but radical change in global weather patterns. Heavy snow falls and rain in areas that have never experienced such precipitation , while drought perseveres in other areas that for all of human history has never experienced drought, then within a few years the opposite occurs. Such changes will plunge the globe into perpetual chaos. Food shortages, water shortages, deaths and extinctions on a massive scale.

    The World Body struggles to bring unity in combating this upcoming disaster. It will eventfully succeed in that unity but due to the United States and it’s harassment and ignorance of firm scientific data in regards to Climate Change, it will be too late to do anything with that unity other than save what is left of humanity.
    • Xenufield, on 02/25/2008, -4/+21"while drought perseveres in other areas that for all of human history has never experienced drought, then within a few years the opposite occurs."

      In what areas exactly? The US only has a couple centuries of civilization that recorded weather, Europe has experienced worse weather in the past, such as a minor Ice Age that caused devastation to harvests.

      You know what's going to cause massive food shortages? You idiots with your ethanol demands that has us turning massive amounts of food into highly inefficient fuel. Look at the problems in Mexico already due to the corn prices that have gone up, and now for the first time in history the US, the world's leading Wheat producer, must IMPORT wheat. You are going to be the cause of world-wide chaos and you will reap the whirlwind, either in the form of massive violence, or an unstoppable world government that will form out of Kyoto, LOST, and the various continental unions being worked on behind closed doors. 'Unity' you speak of is going to be the end of us all. When yu and your type bring us such ruin, do the right thing, man up, and exit.
    • BigManOnCampus, on 02/26/2008, -3/+14You sound like Nostradamus FFS. Why don't you just predict fire and brimstone falling from the sky and complete your little paranoid rant there...

      You did include this gem:
      "Most individuals that rebuff the scientific data confirming the planet is indeed moving into severe Climate Change due to the pollution and environmental damage from Capitalism and the United States, see only black and white."

      Funny, I thought it was the people who believe in an unstoppable global catastrophe that are the ones refusing to entertain the idea that it might not happen that way. You've certainly shown me. /sarcasm.
    • mancat, on 02/26/2008, -2/+6What do you think about China's contributions to world pollution?
      • rmblam, on 02/26/2008, -0/+2Silly question. We Comrade's do not compare the lower standards of all other countries to that of the evil USA....
    • skotoseme, on 02/26/2008, -0/+4I used to think inevitable destruction of the planet from some predicable instant global climate change was a real threat. Then I pulled my head out of my ass and read the studies.

      It would behoove you to do the same.

      A good start would be Michael Chrichton's State of Fear. The footnotes there will lead you to all kinds of studies you have never read.
      • PorchSong, on 02/26/2008, -0/+2Great book, but watch as everyone blasts you for quoting fiction. Again, ignorance abounds here on Digg. That book lead me down the same trail as you--great for slamming the alarmists.
    • librium77, on 02/26/2008, -0/+1Climate never has been and never will be STABLE!
      Climate change? Well yeah, climate is ALWAYS changing.

  • Xenufield, on 02/25/2008, -7/+16Al Gore and the rest of the Cult of Climate Change have done an incredible job of positioning themselves to be able to claim superiority regardless of what happens.

    If nothing bad happens, it's because they got some changes made.
    If bad things happen, it's because we didn't listen to them or sacrifice ourselves enough for them.
    Food shortages will be due to climate change, not massive ethanol mandates.
    Weather changes will be due to our actions, not the ever-changing earth.
    Uncommon weather will be due to climate change, because 'human history' never saw it.
    We only have a few centuries of weather data at best, and very little of that is likely accurate, but it will be used to define the 'ideals' and 'damage' of man.

    Carbon, the building block of all life on this planet, is treated as a horrible pollutant. It's a gas that cannot be regulated, and is needed by plant life to survive, with the prehistoric data showing the highest carbon levels in line with when the world was believed to have been covered in heavy forest and lush life. Lets not forget the pollution we are now making while cutting down forests to make land for ethanol production, and that we have less forests to absorb CO2 as a result as well.
  • obliviousfool, on 02/25/2008, -4/+5FTA:
    "The ice is back."
    What is this? An article on the climate, or a tagline for a movie?
  • natsmythe, on 02/26/2008, -9/+12Most of what scientists are saying about global warming is a scam. http://www.scragged.com/articles/the-hot-air-of-cl ... explains that scientists tried getting us worked up about the coming ice age, but that didn't sell. They changed to talking about global warming because it got them research money. Now they’re switching back to the coming ice age. Bureaucrats want a bigger department and more clout. Politicians want a crisis - any crisis - so they can ride to power with a "solution." It's a scam, pure and simple, but people in Europe are beginning to catch on, see this: http://www.scragged.com/articles/a-light-dawns-in- ...
  • vault, on 02/26/2008, -7/+9Global warming = eco-Marxist propaganda

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eco-socialism
  • gronne, on 02/26/2008, -5/+7My car didn't get stolen this year!. I can only assume that auto-left is at record lows!

    /sarcasm
    • skotoseme, on 02/26/2008, -1/+3That makes more sense than selling everyone who hasn't had their car stolen this year that auto theft is at an all-time high. /not sarcasm

      People are being manipulated into fear on a mass scale. Do you ever wonder why the oil industry is supporting this global warming scam?

      There are real environmental concerns, yet the MSM and the oil cartels and the politicians all are pushing this consensus that man is causing the planet to heat up. It's garbage. 30 years ago they were saying we are entering into a new ice age. Meanwhile they are scaring us all into submission with this junk science and horrific tales of Islamo-fascist terrorists are going to nuke us or give us all Anthrax. Wake up. You are being herded.

    • rmblam, on 02/26/2008, -1/+4What? You don't support the creation of a carbon trading market? And taxes for a UN coffer? But, it's for the POOR!!!!111!! Teh Children!
  • kmckanna, on 02/26/2008, -10/+4This is a reply to the sarcasm of the person who submitted this article:

    Explain the warmer winters, melting icebergs, and slowly decomposing arctic habitats?

    I feel this article did nothing for the fight in global warming (pro or against the idea), in fact, I think most of the arguing does nothing for it. I think the people should just plan for the worst and take precautions because the idea of it happening on a very serious level is very possible, if its not occurring now. Sadly, too many arrogant people in the world don't want to admit they are wrong, even if its simply sympathizing to a potential danger to the world. They feel they should be right, or right.
    • skotoseme, on 02/26/2008, -1/+4Actually, the earth is not warming. Most of the thermometers used to gauge the global temperature are based in major cities. Cities heat up as the population increases. NYC is a good example. It's mean temperature raised several degrees in the last hundred years while other towns in NY stayed the same or even dropped. But these monitoring stations closest to the cities were used to show that the whole planet is heating. More junk science manipulated to sell you fear.

      Terrorism is the other tool of fear. There is very little threat here, but everybody assumes we should all freak out and sell out our freedom, go to war, and huddle in our caves because the terrorists are coming.

      Did you know that you have a much higher chance of dying because a vending machine fell on you than from a terrorist attack?
  • SaTaNKiLLeR, on 02/26/2008, -4/+2It's called Global Dimming for more check this doc out: http://www.documentary-film.net/search/sample.php
    • gradient01, on 02/26/2008, -0/+3I watched that clip and it's first class work. I mean, in terms of terror propaganda, it's just about perfect. They are talking about vapor trails from the jet planes dimming the planet (which is preposterous) and they still manage to show, in the first 10 minutes, post-911 WTC, dying babies, raging fires, etc. I'm so tired of film makers trying to thrust the latest B.S. cause of the day on me with this kind of crap.
  • recipher, on 02/26/2008, -2/+8Wait... when did Digg commenters start discrediting global warming? *confused*
    • Arcesius, on 02/26/2008, -6/+1They didn't. I'm guessing someone sent a shout out to everyone he knows who would digg his story/comment on how much they "don't believe in global warming". *definitely sighing*
    • hytec, on 02/26/2008, -3/+0Since the article was posted on Drudge.
  • vicgp3, on 02/26/2008, -1/+9what the hell am i supposed to do with the dozens of banana hammocks i just bought?
    • hytec, on 02/26/2008, -0/+4Roll 'em & smoke 'em.
    • skotoseme, on 02/26/2008, -0/+3I almost pissed myself. LOL
    • bullcutter, on 02/26/2008, -0/+2sell them to the guy you bought your "Mojave beach front" property from?
  • Arcesius, on 02/26/2008, -2/+5*nods* Yup, and we're not destroying habitats and killing off species and altering the planet in a irreversible way. Yup, being an environmentalist means all you care about is global warming. That's the only thing we got. And it's all just a big scam created by Al Gore and the "left-wing mainstream media". OOOOOoooooooooo *waves hands in a scary manner*
    • hytec, on 02/26/2008, -1/+4Dude, Al Gore is just a pawn he didn't create the global warming scam or the Internet. The scam called Global Warming was all created by the Anti-Capitalists, AKA Marxists. They have been squeezed out around the world and have found a new home in the environmental movement. I know a lot of self-proclaimed, well-intentioned environmentalists. They are dupes of the Anti-Capitalists. The cold war never really ended, it just shifted venues.
      • skotoseme, on 02/26/2008, -0/+2I kind of agree with you, hytec. I don't know if it's the anti-capitalists/Marxists, but there seems to be an industry capitalizing on fear. And yeah, it used to be the Cold War. Now it's Muslim terrorists and global warming -- something everybody assumes is a real threat and not a lot of real discussion going on.

        Most of the "science" used to support the theory of man-made global warming is debatable, and as for terrorism, according to the CDC, you have a much higher chance of being struck by lightning.

        However, there are very real threats to our environment -- pollution, GMO food, toxic waste, mercury, etc. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
  • LoneRanger85, on 02/26/2008, -2/+10I, I, I, I predicted this. All you have to do to be right nearly 100% of the time (even a broken clock is right twice a day), is to find out what liberals believe and say the EXACT opposite! Voila! You're an expert on any subject.
  • thebellmaster1x, on 02/26/2008, -8/+5The average temperature of a month's being lower than the average temperature of a century means nothing. Learn to use a graph; variations are expected.
    As well, extreme weather conditions are what global warming predicts.

    Nice try, but science still wins.
    • librium77, on 02/26/2008, -1/+2Science? What the junk science from the UN?

      Enjoy your mandatory global carbon tax everyone.
  • aki009, on 02/26/2008, -1/+7Yawn. It looks like the CMMGW members here are scrambling again. I can see why they are having such a hard time, as it must be tough when someone tells you that what you believe in might not be right. But then again, when one has Faith in MMGW, why trust facts. Things like the known cycles of the sun that have much higher impact on global climate than the worst hockey stick projections of the CMMGW. Or that even before the SUV and the coinage of the term CO2 world wide weather underwent massive changes, for example creating deserts where there used to be forests (and vice versa).
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