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- FushBuck, on 10/12/2007, -13/+80Sumyunguy, If I had a hard time recognizing and adapting to change, and was unwilling to accept personal responsibility for my actions, i'd probably attempt to deny global warming too.
As it is, while attitudes like yours may not be totally responsible for creating global warming, attitudes like yours are 100% the reason why more has not been done to slow global warming. When the sky really does begin to fall (figuratively speaking) do you really want to be on record for denying it?
It wouldn't surprize me if there is a point in time where those who denied global warming and refused to help will be, shall we say, extremely unpopular. - EvoMR05, on 10/12/2007, -7/+34The warning signs of global warming is getting more and more prominant.
Soon, it'll be 11,000 football field of land covered under water.
I hope all the nations can put the politics away and pay some serious attention to it. - bobmcsmith, on 10/12/2007, -1/+23Are those Canadian or American Football fields?
Seriously tho, keep denying Global Warming...It'll definitely go away then...just like all of our other problems - blackmariah, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18Sixteen months after the fact, it gets noticed.
Just... *****... wow. Great attention paid there. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18We can all do something...even little things make a huge difference.
For example, if each US home changes 1 light bulb to a compact fluorescent, it's the same thing as taking one million cars off the road.
SOURCE: http://www.weareallgreen.com/ - ilpo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16This was also reported as video on the CBC with video http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2006/12/28/tech-ellesmereiceshelfcollapse-20061228.html
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1711,000 football fields is pretty ***** HUGE, but from the picture, it looks a lot smaller than many of the pieces of ice around it.
- ldavid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15**runs off to change lightbulb**
- Capta1nA, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13@blackmariah
no need to be a dick about it - michaelb1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12how big would impress you?
Thats like saying your not impressed by the size of the lump of cancer the doctor found in your ball sack. - thelonious, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11I wasn't sure about its relative size either at first, so did a search on the Ward Hunt Ice Shelf. This other story about it starts out:
"The largest ice shelf in the Arctic has fractured, releasing all the water from the freshwater lake it dammed."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3132074.stm - ldavid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11I think it began a long time ago...
- michaelb1, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13The air is definitely not cleaner than it was a century ago.
Thats a freakin ridiculous statement.
Where do you live Montana?
Get in your car and drive 700 miles in any direction.
LA - Hazy
Houston - brown air
Boston - eye watering
Bejing - ***** forget about seeing or breathing. - bmurph83, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Why does everything need to be measured in football fields!? Are people that stupid that they can't comprehend the size of something?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+16Hi, I'm from the bush administration and I'd like to remind our readers that global warming does not exist. That crazy guy al gore is just a fruit cake, and his movie was full of lies and half truths. All of this melting of ice and crazy weather is not happening because we refuse to seek out new alternatives to energy. We would like to point out that the red herring of fuel cell cars is our offering to those silly scientists out there. Again you bovine americans vote republican so we can continue on our way to making hell happen here on earth!
/sarcasm/ - icedevil6, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8"Our air now is cleaner than it has been in centuries especially in cities..."
You my friend, are a goddamn idiot. - drizek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8"why don't we just build them back up?"
... solving the problem once and for all.
ONCE AND FOR ALL! - howdareyou, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Why would we assume American football fields when this story is coming out of Canada?
- z23rdhsuan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7not in any permanent way it didn't. come spring it'll float a bit further and the probably refreeze.
eventually it will add itself entirely to the ocean. eventually more ice shelves will fall into the ocean and further displacement will cause rising ocean levels.
my question is: why don't we just build them back up?
someone get a hose! - z23rdhsuan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7whoa, there's a walmart that's bigger than 11,000 football fields?
where is that? - scotsman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6*****..it's winter as well!
- ldavid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Who really cares what size of the football field is...All we know is that it's a *massive* piece of area...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10I'll notify the White Star Line.
- Araya213, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Keep denying global warming people! I guess we can all use a swim.
- Alniner, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Well bmurph83, there are a lot of 'merican's on here, and they need something to relate it to.
- pabloD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4well, you know, we're busy people here on Digg. . . what with all the iPhone rumours to keep track of. . . global warming? ice shelves falling into ocean? the end of the world as we know it (couldn't resist)? meh.
/sarcasm. - vuke69, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@drukwerk7
If you are going to tease someone about their math, at least get your own math correct.
I'll give you a hint... There are NINE square feet in a square yard, not three. - xutopia, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@ batmaster
Global warming means an average of temperature going up but it also means more storms, hurricanes and tornadoes. I live in Montreal and Christmas eve we had a thunder storm which has never been seen.
The implications of global warming also means some part of the world will get colder because the "conveyor belt cooling system" in the oceans will stop functioning. Sure we can joke about a little more heat doing us some good but in all seriousness the implications are scary. - drizek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"was that even called for?"
No, but that doesn't make it any less funny. - demoralized, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"11,000 football fields (assuming American football) is about 63,300 square feet (5,300 square yards or so). I think it's safe to say that this amount of land disappears at high tide every day."
That would be great math if ice shelfs were paper thin. Too bad they aren't. So I am fairly sure that the amount of ice should be measured in cubic feet to determine how much sea levels would rise. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@ChileanGoD
no, _football_ fields would be the internationally comprehensive measurement. nobody says "soccer" outside the usa! - magicjava, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I'm sorry cantora, but that's not correct. According to NOAA, arctic temps are currently near a 20 year _low_ and it's expect that we've just entered a cycle of increased ice production. Also, according to NOAA, the year 2005 (which was unusually warm) was due to anomalies, not part of an ongoing trend.
Source for arctic ice and temps:
http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/pubs/PDF/rich2952/rich2952.pdf - sanman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3So I wonder how long it will take to fully melt down?
Actually, more importantly, I wonder how long it would take to fully rebuild that shelf back up? - davidrools, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I saw Al's movie and I liked it. The CO2/ave. temp graph was pretty, but you really could correlate anything and make it look convincing (ie. cell phones and temperature over time would look like cell phones cause a temperature increase...But I know CO2 is a greenhouse gas so its more likely to have an effect).
Anyway my main point is that being convinced of the reality of global climate change isn't enough. If we all shut off our computers at night it would make a big difference. Or if we'd plant a tree, trade in the SUV for more economical transportation. This is one of those things where everyone's gotta contribute their share to make a difference. And if we take it seriously, those in power will notice and act accordingly, if nothing else to get votes. - KMye, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I'm sorry to say it but any publication that calls people who disagree with their viewpoint "weenies" instantly loses credibility. If one's looking for websites to support anthropogenic global warming, there have to be better ones, maybe with a citation or two somewhere. Does this site remind anyone else of Partnership for a Drug-Free America "Myths about Marijuana" *****?
- elakah, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I just don't get those who can't make an association between carbon emissions and global warming. Our atmosphere is so freaking thin in the grand scheme of things. An analogy that really hit home for me came from reading Bill Bryson's book ... our atmosphere is the thickness of two coats of varnish on a normal desk sized globe, in relation to the earth.
Adaptation plans are a necessity especially for people in northern climates (ask the Inuit) and are starting to get serious consideration in Canada. - drizek, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5couple of years? Try 30.
- otheus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"The ice shelf actually broke up 16 months ago, but no one witnessed the dramatic event."
It was sooo dramatic, no one witnessed it or noticed it for 16 months. Hrm. - lopla, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Just in! the shelf size has been recalculated, it is the size of 162 billion cellphones!
- jasimo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3The level of apathy, indifference, misinformation, and ignorance reflected in 90% of these comments is thoroughly depressing. The scientific evidence that we're rapidly accelerating into a real environmental problem is overwhelming. Educate yourselves.
http://www.grinningplanet.com/2005/06-21/global-warming-facts-article.htm
Among scientists, the overwhelming consensus opinion is:
the earth is warming;
human activities are responsible;
left unchecked, the impact will be large, potentially catastrophic.
There is a very small but very vocal, well funded pack of global warming skeptics working strenuously to keep the public from clearly perceiving the issue. Many of these weenies are funded by the coal industry and Exxon-Mobil, both of whom stand to lose business if the use of coal and oil—the two primary sources of manmade carbon dioxide—is greatly curtailed. Ross Gelbspan, author of the book Boiling Point, comments that the lobbying efforts and dizzying scientific spin from the fossil fuel industry and their band of merry skeptics "have marginalized the findings of more than 2,000 scientists from 100 countries ... in what is the largest and most rigorously peer-reviewed scientific collaboration in history."
We must move past this idea that global warming science is still being debated. We must start implementing global warming solutions, and we must start now. By the time you'll be able to observe the global warming effects for yourself, it will be too late to avoid disaster. Remember, greenhouse gases stay up in the atmosphere for a long time, and combating the problem is a lot like trying to stop a huge cargo ship—even after you stop the engines, it takes a long time to get the ship to stop. If we don't take significant action within this decade, the deleterious effects of climate change may be unstoppable.
- HUKI365, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Anyone notice it refroze?
- magicjava, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Because the science on climate change is not very convincing.
This is yet another example of that. That ice sheet melted in _1 hour_. There is nothing in any global warming model that melts ice sheets in an hour. Yet we see all these global warming folks screaming and yelling this proves global warming.
In fact, it's an example where the CO2 global warming model does not explain what happened. - kevinkrejci, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Do the expressions "tipping point" and "vortex" mean anything? This snapping ice shelf could be viewed by Donald Rumsfeld from a plane flying overhead to just be a few ice cubes, and no big deal, especially since it took us all 16 months to even notice, and yes, a little change in temperature might just mean things change, and change doesn't have to be bad, and blah blah blah, but the important point to remember about this global warming stuff is that once it picks up momentum it could swing at a rate that is faster than that which we humans are capable of adapting.
If you live in a cave in the mountains, you should be OK, and shouldn't worry about it much, as long as your not employed by a ski resort or concerned about food or the world your offspring inherit. Even though 99.9% of the scientists not hired by Exxon Mobile are genuinely concerned about the potential effects to everything from flooding to food chain issues, they often can admit that they can't prove beyond a shadow of doubt what exactly will happen if we don't change our ways a bit. They would need a couple of dozen planet earths to run experiments on for a few thousand years to really prove things. But since we have only one planet to experiment with, we might as well err on the side of caution, and make a few changes in the way we live before we regret having to make more drastic changes, such as putting life jackets on our homes.
For more on the "tipping point", here is an excerpt from Wikipedia:
"The concept has been applied to any process in which beyond a certain point, the rate at which the process (chemical, sociological, environmental etc.) proceeds increases dramatically. Mathematically, the angle of repose may be seen as an inflection point. In control theory, the concept of positive feedback describes the same phenomenon, with the problem of balancing an inverted pendulum being the classic embodiment." - magicjava, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Perhaps you could provide links to papers where scientists studying global warming made testable predictions and those predictions were correct. After all, science is about making testable predictions, not publishing papers.
I only know of two testable predictions made by these scientists:
1) Snowfall will increase in the interior of Antartica.
2) Hurricanes will increase in number and strength.
Both of these predictions were wrong. - antifreeze11, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2i bet its global warming.
i live in southern ontario and i have not had a decent snow all year. - bouts0099, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Umm one american football field is 57600 sq feet so times 11000 is 633600000 sq feet or about 22.73 sq miles so if you know a walmart that size its a little known world record holder. I think that is a pretty big chunk of ice.
- jasimo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Repins
When scientists try to predict the future of course there are OPINIONS (or theories). Different scientists weigh variables differently so there are different opinions; a preponderance of opinions is a CONSENSUS. There are no FACTS in existence about what the climate will be like in 50 years (unless you have a time machine), only opinions/theories -- scientific and otherwise -- based on current evidence and trends. - magicjava, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2P.S. And no, we don't have to listen to what scientists say. Instead, scientists need to make testable predictions in order for their computer models to gain credibility. They are not making these kinds of predictions and without testablity, they have no credibility.
- Irimi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Good. Land reclamation begins.
- lintmonkey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I don't even know what that means.
Anyway, I think you misinterpreted the tone of my original comment. I'm asking from a scientific perspective, and so far, Google has not answered my question. -
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