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- mikes1, on 11/07/2009, -4/+20The earth is a dynamic system, there is no "normal" amount of CO2. The CO2 humans are releasing today was sequestered long ago by plants.
One could argue that current carbon emissions are simply geo-engineering the earth to normal, pre-Carboniferous CO2 levels. It was, of course, during the Carboniferous period that plants caused global cooling by selfishly overusing the natural resource CO2. Over the past 600,000,000 years, it is only in the current period and the late Carboniferous where global CO2 levels have been under 400 ppm. - sonnybobiche, on 11/07/2009, -2/+18Two words: Unintended Consequences.
- Junkyarddawg, on 11/07/2009, -4/+19We don't even know exactly what effect our current actions have on climate; intentionally messing with it further is just begging for problems.
That there's tens of billions of dollars involved, as well as unprecedented amounts of fame and prestige, in schemes like these, just underscores how vitally important it is to absolutely, positively, without any room for uncertainty, know what we're doing BEFORE doing it. - KDX200rider, on 11/07/2009, -6/+17And I am sure someone is poised t make lots of money off this.
- Junkyarddawg, on 11/07/2009, -3/+13@wrathchild & Bobby1978: My point is actually that it's far, far, FAR preferrable to lower our impact than try to mitigate it through further blind tampering.
With pharaonic projects like these you're pretty much guaranteed to cause more damage than you fix if you don't know EXACTLY what you're doing.
As we at present don't really have the first clue what the ramifications would be, geo-engineering should not be considered an option, except as a very last, very desperate, resort. - thcobbs, on 11/07/2009, -4/+12My own gut feeling is that this is a sure fire way to REALLY ***** up the earth. Especially since the earth is already cooling off by itself.
- govsucks, on 11/07/2009, -10/+16Hey, I'm not 100% sure of this, but lets dump a billion tons of chemical X into our oceans based on our estimates.
These arrogant global warming religious zealots are dangerous to all humanity. - zoomaKabu, on 11/07/2009, -3/+9Ah, rational reasoning. So rare here.
- MunkeyPirate, on 11/07/2009, -4/+9I have a off topic question for those who believe in man made climate change. I am going to use Al Gore as my bases for this question.
With the technology available today, hd images, instant video communication with any where in the world, why are speakers like Al flying (and in his case in his protected private jet ex VP and all) around the world to make presentations on the negative impact we are having on the world because of our oil consuming ways? If the problem is that serious why not use tele-presence (video and sound on both sides so he can interact with the audience)? Who would argue with him or other speakers putting their money where their mouth is? Or is climate change just a way for people to exploit us, control us, and profit off us?
Lets find an inexpensive and clean alternative to oil but not under the guise of an emergency, lets do it for the right reasons to make a better life for ourselves, cheaper energy, more jobs, less smog in cities. - angryredplanet, on 11/07/2009, -1/+6"Hey, I'm not 100% sure of this, but lets dump a billion tons of chemical X into our oceans based on our estimates."
We've been pumping gigatons of CO2 and other GHGs into the atmosphere -> oceans for a very long time, so what's different?
By your logic, that would make denialists and big fossil fuel advocates "religious zealots" also. - Junkyarddawg, on 11/07/2009, -2/+6Removal of CO2 and storing it in rocks is not an option. There are no viable schemes to remove significant amounts of CO2 from the atmosphere; injecting CO2 into the ocean is sometimes suggested, but the result is acidification, which in all probability will be a bigger problem globally than the warming anyway, so it doesn't solve anything.
Feasible geoengineering options fall into two camps: increasing earth albedo (making the surface of earth more reflective), or decreasing solar input (increasing cloud coverage). _At best_ these will produce a band-aid solution allowing CO2 to rise to a higher level before we're absolutely forced to do anything about emissions, but more likely they'll shift weather patterns in unpredictable ways and reduce plant growth all over the world. - wrathchilde, on 11/07/2009, -4/+8JYD, I appreciate your point, I do, which is why I did not digg you down.
My point is, we cannot know exactly what effect human actions are having, but there are some. And, I disagree that we don't know enough about some of the sequestration efforts under consideration.
Removal of CO2 from the atmosphere coupled with reliable storage, such as in carbonate rocks, has potential benefits that far outweigh the uncertainties.
Also, it may be far (X3) more preferable to reduce production, but how likely is such to occur on a meaningful timescale? Slowing the growth rate of production will not stabilize the concentration of CO2 for a long time, and it will never reduce it. Just sayin'. Peace. - wrathchilde, on 11/07/2009, -0/+4True, before humans were around, other factors besides humans influenced climate. So, therefore, human activity cannot possibly have an effect. Nice logic.
Your "top scientists" disagree with your conclusion about the potential impact of CO2 on the environment. - arpad, on 11/07/2009, -5/+9Oh, your gut feeling. Too bad your gut feeling doesn't include some sense of responsibility and a teaspoon or two of humility. If your gut feeling did include any of those bothersome qualities you find it a trifle more difficult to so blandly advocate modifying THE ***** CLIMATE!
- Ferretman, on 11/07/2009, -4/+7There's no need for "serious movement" for something that probably doesn't exist.
On the other hand, some of the technologies proposed are pretty nifty. This particular article is little more than a summary, but I've seen proposals for shields in space that can be used to block sunlight a couple of percent. THAT is a neat idea, if only because it forces a space support infrastructure--which most Diggers are probably for. I'd gladly see things like that explored and implemented. - angryredplanet, on 11/07/2009, -1/+4@mikes1
No. I'm saying that the circumstances then and the circumstances now are immeasurably different. We have no metric as to how we would've survived during the Carboniferous period, so making climate comparisons based on atmospheric CO2 from then to now is moot. We should strive to minimise our impact on systems (not only climatic) that are showing signs of stress due to anthropogenic activities.
"Then you shouldn't have any problem with CO2 emissions."
My problem begins with where the CO2 comes from - there is no future in burning fossils. Otherwise, all other things remaining equal, I have no issues with CO2 emissions.
@norman619
Thanks for the videos but I already know how it works! CO2 drives temperatures AND temperatures drive levels of CO2 - it works both ways depending on related factors.
I'll believe the videos claims that CO2 doesn't cause warming, climate science is fatally flawed etc when the producer or the scientists publish a peer reviewed paper in a scientific journal demonstrating how this is the case. - wrathchilde, on 11/07/2009, -8/+11We don't know exactly what the effects of injection 25 gigatons of CO2 (about 50 trillion pounds) per year have on the environment, but it probably includes an effect on climate as well as most chemical and biological systems on the planet.
One never knows exactly how many bones will be broken when hit by a train either. But, is it a good idea to try to avoid the train?
I'm not a fan of many proposed carbon sequestration concepts, such as iron fertilization, deep ocean CO2 injection, SO2 injection (cooling effect only). However, I attended an interesting lecture about the capacity for mantle rocks exposed on the surface to form carbonates. This is similar to the process fueling the mid-Atlantic Lost City peridotite-hosted hydrothermal vent field.
My point is, there may well be ways to enhance the removal of CO2 from the atmosphere, as well as curbing its production. And, 10s of billions is not that much to invest, really. - HuangFeng, on 11/07/2009, -0/+3Memo to the scientifically ignorant : the current global average temperature variation from the cherry picked year of 1998 is not statistically significant. You need another factoid to spread your doubt.
- angryredplanet, on 11/07/2009, -2/+4Did modern humans, and the biological conditions we are adapted to, exist during the Carboniferous period?
You're right. Earth's climate is a dynamic system. So, conceding this, we should be acutely aware that hammering it with CO2 (GHGs et al) is certainly going to have an affect on said dynamic system, yes? - angryredplanet, on 11/08/2009, -0/+2Hey gov
"There is a difference between something that is already happening and that billions of people depend on and something that we have NEVER tried and are estimating its results."
Climate science has made it's case that CO2 emissions are having a serious effect on climate. It's very comprehensive and is based on empirical facts straddling particle physics, chemistry and thermodynamics as well as determinations of trends derived from observations and modelling (it makes me laugh when deniers say "the science is flawed/crumbling"). Knowing this, we need to curb greenhouse gas emissions by creating and infrastructure that encourages alternatives, which isn't going to happen by itself overnight. In doing so we reduce our dependence on fossil fuels, which is inevitable. We need to wean ourselves off fossil fuels, not throw our hands up saying that we depend on it so to hell with everything else!
"That we are pumping CO2 into out atmosphere is accidental. Nobody knew when the combustion engine was invented that it would be a problem and I'm still not sure it is."
We may not have known the effects of CO2 then, but we know it now.
The majority of reputable climatologists who are actively involved in climate research will tell you that we need to act on this immediately and with wartime urgency if we are to have a chance of averting catastrophic weather events and climate shifts in the near future. However, the denialists strive to pick up on inconsequential aspects of the science and attempt to confuse, obfuscate and delay any action with the premise that "it will cost the economy" (sadly for us and our planets biodiversity, this tactic seems to be working). This group seems to regard CO2 pollution as an entitlement and not a cost to the environment, and that, broadly, is the role of cap & trade/carbon taxing; to enforce an economic view of CO2 pollution.
We are sure of what we're doing and why we're doing it. It' snot for global domination, a cash grab, a NWO or the erosion of personal freedoms. It's to preserve the planet for future generations to come. - wrathchilde, on 11/07/2009, -1/+3I can't point out that there is about 1000 times as much peridotite exposed on the surface than what would be required to capture all of the CO2 ever produced by humans... OK.
You have no clue about thermodynamics, or you would realize that it requires no energy to drive this reaction.
Besides, all I ever said was that it is interesting. Perhaps natural science is less interesting when you have made up your mind, and cannot accept any additional information. - wrathchilde, on 11/08/2009, -0/+2Indeed, one must be "stuck up" to point out anything to one who has decided that nothing but their own preconceived notions are relevant.
Too bad you have not the capacity to appreciate what is important in earth science. Your loss.
Science is not about your conception of what is expensive. - wrathchilde, on 11/07/2009, -3/+5JYD, I did not mention injection into rocks, but rather the reaction of mantle rocks exposed on the surface, effectively scrubbing.
I guess those that have made up their minds will not consider the merit of the science, see "zoomaKaboom" above. But, this is what I do for a living, and have for more than 20 years. I study the interaction of the ocean with rocks, and what the effects are. I did my thesis on the active submarine volcano with the highest known CO2 in its hydrothermal system.
All are entitled to their opinions, but those opinions have only the merit of the information that informs them. To state that this or that effect is too big, or too small, without knowing the potential quantities involved is simply not convincing. Scare tactics don't work on science. Doubting the premise because you don't like the proposed solution is a fallacy. - wrathchilde, on 11/07/2009, -1/+3Norm, what are you talking about? Yes volcanoes release CO2 (about 1% of human activity per year) But, so what does that have to do with rocks exposed on the surface? You smell BS? Check your upper lip.
http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/hazards/gas/index.php - skilsbee, on 11/07/2009, -0/+2for a much more in depth and interesting look at geo-engineering: http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200907/climate-engi ...
- angryredplanet, on 11/07/2009, -2/+4"There's no need for "serious movement" for something that probably doesn't exist."
Our science (the same type that launches space shuttles) indicates that it does exist and has advocated this view for at least the last 30 years.
"I'd gladly see things like that explored and implemented."
For what and at what cost? We never have, do not and can never live natively in space, so why do we need multi-hundred-billion dollar space infrastructure? "Space is cool" etc, but why should we spend so large on something whose scientific benefits do not represent a solution for Earthly survivability per se?
Yet, I assume from your denier standpoint, that you'd object to the same amount of money being spent to attempt to rectify the survivability of our own biosphere when the accumulated science tells us it needs our immediate attention? - FeargusMcDuff, on 11/07/2009, -1/+3Last second geo-engineering is such a human thing to do...
- wrathchilde, on 11/07/2009, -1/+3I mentioned it already, it's called peridotite, makes up most of the mantle. Here is an article titled
Some Thoughts on the Kinetics of Peridotite Carbonation:
http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2008AM/finalprogram/abst ...
another:
PERMANENT CARBON DIOXIDE STORAGE AND MINERAL CARBONATION IN GEOLOGIC RESERVOIRS
http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2009AM/finalprogram/abst ...
They explain how peridotite has the ability to absorb CO2, thus creating various carbonate compounds. - austroLogi, on 11/07/2009, -2/+3Reality just got lapped
- Junkyarddawg, on 11/07/2009, -2/+3What rock is that, Wrathchilde? Hot springs are miniscule, exposed sedimentary rock on the surface _RELEASE_ CO2, and the sea becomes acidified. Where would you store the CO2?
You say you did your thesis on this - where's the sink? - klurbauer, on 11/07/2009, -5/+6This sounds like a disaster in the making. They even admit to not really knowing the effects of these actions. There are plenty of experts in their field who don't even agree that global warming is occuring and meanwhile they're considering playing god with the environment to correct a possibly nonexistent problem?!?
- lostlyrics, on 11/07/2009, -0/+1http://www.realclimate.org/wp-content/uploads/rcan ...
indeed - in the arabian desert and in the taklamakan it has
faintly cooled down ... still, no extra sweater needed there. - zoomaKabu, on 11/07/2009, -6/+7"We don't know exactly what the effects of injection..." Yes we do. So far none at all. Well maybe some cooling but that's only been happening for a decade so who knows.
- rocknog, on 11/07/2009, -1/+2From a pragmatic viewpoint, then, our views really aren't that dissimilar. What I don't really understand is why the question of "Are we to blame?" really ***** matters. If you accept that even if we are to blame, there really isn't anything that can be done to undo the damage we've caused, is that really so different from saying that climate change is due to some unknown X factor?
- askantik, on 11/07/2009, -0/+1We need lifestyle changes. Unfortunately lifestyle changes which either cost nothing or could even save us money are too much trouble-- we'd rather spend billions of dollars on something that MIGHT help and very likely could create new problems.
Why are we such noobs? :[ - buzaman, on 11/08/2009, -0/+1Who goes to jail when it goes horribly wrong?
- Corrosionx, on 11/07/2009, -0/+1That's crazy talk!
Well they do do it, but you can't talk about it! - billricardi, on 11/07/2009, -1/+2There are plenty of methods that can be used to manipulate climate in highly targeted ways, without resorting to blanket measure with few to zero methods of procedural reversal.
One of the most exciting methods, that can be easily reversed if we find that it causes more harm than good, is orbital solar farming. Putting up massive solar sails in the right places will cause subtle temperature differences on the surface of the earth. The size and distance of the sails can be tailored to meet the needs of changes that you wish to effect, the avoidance of debris to minimize repairs, etc etc.
The power collected can be used, first and foremost, to power ionic drives that are available today, constantly repositioning the sails using the Lorentz force to maintain geostationary orbit over the target area. NASA went live with these this April. Excess power could be used for space telescopes, transfer to other space platforms, space elevator use, etc.
And if it has negative effects? It can nudge itself into an eventual collision course with the sun, getting out of any sort of effective shielding, fairly rapidly. Or it can fold itself up, or reposition in deep space, or self destruct, or whatever you want.
So let's avoid massive chemical changes that are impossible to reverse, until we've tried the things we have full control over, shall we? - norman619, on 11/07/2009, -2/+3Wow your gut is incredibly stupid. We don't really understand what was making the the planet warm and now cool yet you want to go in and intentionally ***** with a system we do not understand? That's a bit like letting your 5 year old do experimental surgery on you. The fact that NO ONE saw the current cooling trend coming tells you we don't understand te system as well as people would like you to think we do.
- norman619, on 11/07/2009, -2/+3They are dangerous to the planet not just humnaity. It would be nice to find a nice Earth-like planet on which we can ship them all off to where they can play with the climate all they like w/o endangeroing the rest of us.
- hereticoftruth, on 11/08/2009, -0/+1Yes, the new environmentalist solution, lets go back to producing lots of sulfur dioxide smog like we had in the 40's and 50's. But lets not do it the cheap old fashioned way by burning less processed diesel and gas. Let us burn sulfur directly and pump lots of it day and night into our atmosphere. Apparently the last thing most environmentalists want to do is solve the problem. Why not make a first ditch attempt and plant more trees and grasslands to most efficiently solve the problem of excess CO2 in the atmosphere? Unless you do that first you are part of the problem. The environmentalists should be happy. It looks like China is progressively doing it's part already. Also, don't kid yourself, sulfur dioxide is even heavier than CO2. It will fall down to the bottom of our atmosphere where we and everything else lives and have it's negative consequences on us all. Al Gore, you are failing all your constituents by not looking at things the way they really are. Lies and hare brained schemes will not solve the problem.
- wrathchilde, on 11/08/2009, -1/+2JYD: kinetics, it is different from thermodynamic equilibrium.
I don't have a proposition, I was pointing out something interesting. Can you really not conceive of the potential?
Can you not read that I was pointing out that there is sufficient peridotite on the surface? What does 40 km have to do with anything? - Bobby1978, on 11/07/2009, -7/+7Regardless of what the effects are, we are in fact putting abnormal amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere, thereby engineering the planet by our actions ... if unintentionally. There is no debate about that. So what is the problem with attempting to address the issue by removing it? Certainly some of the more outlandish geo-engineering concepts like pumping sulphur into the sky and fertilizing the oceans are out of the question (as was agreed on by the folks in the article), but more reasonable concepts like artificial trees should be much more acceptable, right? At least until carbon emissions are leveled off worldwide.
The problem with your logic is that nothing can ever be 100% certain with zero room for uncertainty. You're essentially saying that we should sit on our asses whilst apocalypse happens. - govsucks, on 11/07/2009, -1/+1There is a difference between something that is already happening and that billions of people depend on and something that we have NEVER tried and are estimating its results.
That we are pumping CO2 into out atmosphere is accidental. Nobody knew when the combustion engine was invented that it would be a problem and I'm still not sure it is. - mnocket, on 11/07/2009, -1/+1Adapting goes against a politician's desire to control.
- Corrosionx, on 11/07/2009, -2/+2This is ***** *****, the geo-engineering will turn out to be the REAL problem. Global warming, or cooling, or climate change, or seasons, they're all natural.
- yourmomsnutz, on 11/08/2009, -0/+0Tired of hearing the same old song? Over and Over? Read ON!
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Mystery Of America.Time Travellers From Our Past.Tedd St. Rain.2006.2h*******
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To download the free ebook visit www.MysteryOfAmerica.com --- Mysterious and often inexplicable remnants of civilization's history fascinate scientists and archaeologists. People travel worldwide to visit such sites, yet some of the most enigmatic artifacts and structures have been found right here in North America. Unfortunately, because these records do not fit within accepted academic models of human history, they remain unexplained mysteries, and most people never hear of them. Long before any humans were supposed to be on this continent, unknown hands removed millions of pounds of copper from mines near Lake Superior. Or a three-foot-high adult mummy was discovered in Wyoming. Sandaled feet made footprints in rock at least 300 million years old. A human-like tooth,three times normal size, was found in coal from a Montana mine. According to modern wisdom, humans evolved on Earth no earlier than two million years ago. Yet many of these artifacts were made long before then. How can this be? Could these anomalies have been the result of an advanced civilization once present on our planet? This video-taped lecture presents evidence that there have been intelligent beings on earth long before humans are thought to have evolved here. About 1/2 way through, St. Rain shifts gears and describes the basics of his THEORY OF ALMOST EVERYTHING, fondly referred to as the GRAND UNIFIED CONSPIRACY THEORY, where he reveals the nature of the human soul, soul catchers, the interdimensional nature of reality, the reason for the arrival of extraterrestrials, intergalactic vending routes, the prime directive, extinction level events, cosmic dump trucks, Corso's time travelling aliens at roswell, time travel, time dilation, quanta, string theories; and so much more. --- Tedd St. Rain, author, lecturer, and videographer, he has traveled the world extensively investigating the world’s ancient mysteries and enigmas, actively researching the mysterious, the metaphysical and the mythical!!
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2012 and the End of Time.Jay Weidner at 2012 Conference San Francisco.2008.2h
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Jay Weidner's fierce presentation at the 2012 Conference in San Francisco.
"2012 and the End of Time: a Meeting of Minds in San Francisco" is the best of the best DVD of this 3 Day Conference.
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2012.Jay Weidner on Coast to Coast Jan 2009.4h
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Filmmaker and scholar Jay Weidner spoke about 2012 and prophecy, as well as mysteries surrounding the Georgia Guidestones and the Denver Airport. A series of interrelated prophecies are all pointing toward one time period, around 2012, as being a time of crucial change, possibly connected with our sun, he said. The decreasing heliosphere of the sun leaves Earth with less of a buffer from potentially dangerous elements from outer space such as cosmic rays, he noted.
Weidner perceives 2012 as an alchemical moment for humanity to decide who or what it wants to be. On a positive note, he foresees a possibility for the populace to live in semi-rural conditions in a more slowed down fashion, yet still connected via the Internet. A more negative outcome would see society turned into a "techno-fascist nightmare" with robocops and cameras on every corner, he warned. People need to figure out how to manage in a world of increasing scarcity, he commented.
In discussing the Georgia Guidestones (see below), he doesn't interpret the commandment about maintaining the Earth's population as a call to exterminate people. Rather, he suggested the monument could be part of an alchemical mythos, helping to bring about a new consciousness. The Denver Airport appears to be connected to COG (continuity of government) with underground facilities that could withstand a nuclear war, Weidner reported. He suspects there's a gigantic tunnel system under the airport, with trains possibly running to different parts of America. Denver, he added, could be slated to become the capitol of an eventual North American Union.
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A Giant Breach in Earth's Magnetic Field.SCIENCE@NASA.2008.podcast
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NASA podcast about Earth's Magnetic Field anomalys
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BBC presents Supervolcano.The Truth About YellowStone + Movie.2006.TV.2h
1.Supervolcano.The Truth About YellowStone.2006.Part 1
2.Supervolcano.BBC. docu-drama.2006.Part 2
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Docudrama about the future super Eruption at YellowStone!! Awesome!!
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Earths Magnetic field can not be more than 10,000 years old.Nuclear physicist, Dr Russell Humphreys.2003.1h4m********
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Nuclear physicist, Dr Russell Humphreys describes how paleomagnetic research indicates our field can not be more than 10,000 years old. Problems with the dynamo model of the earth's Magnetic Field are presented, as is the accuracy with which his model predicted magnetic strengths of other planets. You may listen online or download the file.
Dr Humphreys was awarded his Ph.D. in physics from Louisiana State University in 1972. For the next 6 years he worked in the High Voltage Laboratory of General Electric Company, designing and inventing equipment and researching high-voltage phenomena. While there, he received a U.S. patent and one of Industrial Research Magazine's IR-100 awards.
Beginning in 1979 he worked for Sandia National Laboratories (New Mexico) in nuclear physics, geophysics, pulsed-power research, and theoretical atomic and nuclear physics. In 1985, he began working with Sandia's 'Particle Beam Fusion Project', and was co-inventor of special laser-triggered 'Rimfire' high-voltage switches, now coming into wider use. The last few years at Sandia had seen greater emphasis on theoretical nuclear physics and radiation hydrodynamics in an effort to help produce the world's first lab-scale thermonuclear fusion. Besides gaining another U.S. patent, Dr Humphreys has been given two awards from Sandia, including an Award for Excellence for contributions to light ion-fusion target theory.
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Dinosaur Figurines, Fact or Fraud.Dr. Patton.Ac?mbaro, Guanajuato Mexico.2008.51m*******
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In 1945 German archeologist, Waldemar Julsrud discovered clay figurines buried at the foot of El toro Mountain on the outskirts of Ac?mbaro, Guanajuato Mexico. Eventually over 37,000 figurines and artifacts were found. They were similar to artifacts identified with the Pre-classical Chupicuaro Culture (800BC - 200AD) found in this area. Radiocarbon and thermoluminescent testing has supported these estimates. The authenticity of the find has been challenged because the collection included dinosaurs. Many archeologists believe dinosaurs have been extinct for the past 65 million years and man's knowledge of them has been limited to the past 200 years. If man saw and modeled them 2500 years ago, this view would be falsified. Dr. Patton, together with Dr. Dennis Swift have made five trips to Ac?mbaro in order to conduct their own personal investigation. The collection had been locked away for years but access was attained. You will hear the intriguing story, evaluate the testimony of many respectable, knowledgeable eye witnesses and you will be able to view the evidence for yourself.
Dr. Patton has a broad educational background; four years at Florida College, Temple Terrace, FL; two years at Austin Peay State University, Clarksville, TN; two years at Indiana Univ.Purdue Univ., Indianapolis, IN; two years, Pacific School of Graduate Studies. He has worked as Geologist in US, Canada, Australia, England, Mexico, Peru, bolvia, Cambodia, Israel, and Jordan. Dr. Patton has participated in dinosaur excavations in Colorado, Texas, Utah, Wyoming and Canada. He is credited with excavating the longest consecutive dinosaur trail in North America, totaling 157 tracks, extending over 500 feet. He is a member of the Geological Society of America and was a speaker at their 1997 annual convention. Dr. Patton lectures at universities accross the United States. He has conducted up to twelve CreationEvolution Seminares a year for twenty five years. He has participated in numerous public debates on creationevolution including radio and TV debates. He has testified three times before Texas State Textbook Committe, Austin, TX. Presently, Dr. Patton is consulting geologist & partner in Mazada Corporation, Dallas, TX. He is a staff geologist of the Creation Evidence Museum, Glen Rose, TX, staff geologist for the Qumran Plateau excavation in Israel, an area supervisor at the City of David excavation in Jerusalem and charman of the Metroplex Institute of Origon Science.
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Earth's Diminishing Heliosphere.Holes in the magnetic field.James Gilliland.2009.58m
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Monolog by James Gilliland jan 2009 about holes in the magnetic field.
James Gilliland (b. 1952), a Southern California native,[1] is an author, teacher, ufologist, spiritual counselor, energetic healer, and the founder of the Enlightened Contact with Extraterrestrial Intelligence (ECETI) organization.[2] He studied 6 years of Yoga, and has received The Teaching of the Inner Christ certificate and the Rigdzin Norbu ("Jewel of Pure Awareness") certificate.
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Freedom Road.The Human Journey 7000 BC - 2012 AD.David Icke.4h
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David Icke tells the astonishing story of how the world is controlled today by "royal" bloodlines seeded in the ancient world that have passed through history manipulating the human race for thousands of years. The bloodlines that were the kings and queens of the distant past are the same bloodlines that today produce the political leaders and those who control the banks, transnational corporations and our media. Using hundreds of illustrations and a fast paced often ironic narrative, David Icke explains how and why we are now racing towards a global fascist state - unless we wake up fast. He also explores the spiritual (not religious) road to freedom that may await us all and says that we can transform the world and our lives by transforming ourselves and understanding our true power to design our own destiny. What is happening? What can happen? What has happened in the past? All of these questions are explored in this thrilling shocking mind-blowing program.
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National Geographic.Naked Science.Dino Meteor.2008.720p.AC3
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Did a giant meteor cause the end of dinosaurs -- or trigger their beginning? Scientists working to understand the origin of the dinosaurs make a startling discovery.
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The Day The Earth Caught Fire.1961.1h31m*******
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054790/
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Journalists of the London Daily Express investigate reports of strange phenomena occurring all over the world, such as flooding in the Sahara, unseasonable blizzards in New York, and violent tornadoes in the Soviet Union. All over England, temperatures are on the rise, girls in bikinis are everywhere, and wonderful special-effects mists are blanketing the Thames River. Top scientists at the Meteorological Center refuse to give any official explanation, which makes the newspaper editor suspicious. He orders science reporter Bill Maguire and alcoholic columnist Peter Stenning to dig for information. When Peter begins a romance with Met Center secretary Jeannie Craig, he learns from her certain clues that there has indeed been a cover-up . . . and he begins to sober up, so that he may win her love. Ten days before the film begins, two nuclear bombs had been exploded, one at the North Pole by the Soviet Union, the other at the South Pole by th - rocknog, on 11/07/2009, -3/+3You know what? I'm just gonna bash my head into my desk until I've incurred enough brain damage to understand why there only seem to be two positions to the global warming debate - either you fully believe and support every measure proposed to fight it, or you refuse to believe even the possibility that global warming even exists.
I find myself in a third category - I believe global warming is real and man-made, but I don't see any way that we can suddenly give up fossil fuels overnight, and plans to artificially modify the Earth's climate seem dangerous. So really, the only realistic solution I can see is to adapt. Yet for some reason, I almost never see this point of view taken up. - rocknog, on 11/07/2009, -4/+4I'm pretty sure we're too late, and even if we weren't, what the ***** can we do? Our entire way of life is built around fossil fuels that create greenhouse gases. True, we're developing alternative energies, but it'll be decades before they're actually a viable replacement for fossil fuels.
I'm still, though, not comfortable with the idea of artificially modifying the Earth's climate. We simply don't understand it well enough, and there could be serious repercussions. I think our best bet is to simply ride this thing out. I realize it won't be easy, and I realize there may be serious consequences to global warming, but the Earth has experienced plenty of drastic climate changes in the past, and life has gone on, so I have full faith in our ability to adapt. - inactive, on 11/07/2009, -13/+13Memo to global warming religious zealots: The earth stopped warming in 1998. You need to find another "crisis" to whine about.
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