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- jggube, on 05/12/2008, -1/+26Very glad to see anything that involves a reduction in gas consumption.
- MediaSight, on 05/12/2008, -1/+18Yup, and not only reduce the gas consumption, but also deadly for terrorists that till today have an economic support from selling fuel.
- neko6, on 05/12/2008, -2/+18Amusing, Israel killed 6000 Palestinians (militants and civilians) in 60 years of their defensive side in this conflict. During the same period of time, 80Million civilians were MURDERED by nations in the world.
Hell, even Jordan and Syria BOTH killed more Palestinians then Israel in that timespan, and Lebanon came close!
But whenever there's a story that mentions Syria or Jordan, nobody seems to mention these murders, but when Israel is mentioned, suddenly all hell breaks loose? I mean, even if you claim Israel INTENTIONALLY murdered these people, its still less then 1 in 10,000 of the world's murderers-by-nation? Why is this bias against this country of all countries? - dkapuchino, on 05/12/2008, -1/+16The main issue here, is that Israeli's don't target women and children, they target Terrorists. Beings that these terrorists use their own people as human shields, Innocent people get harmed as well. The Palestinians however believe any Israeli target is a just target. Sending a 16 year old with a bomb strapped to his chest, to go blow himself up in a discotheque, killing 15 year old Israeli girls, makes him a "Martyr".
- yawnstretch, on 05/12/2008, -0/+13Shai Aggassi used to be a board member at SAP (Europes biggest software co) but he left to push global warming issues - interesting to see him really doing that here. I'm all for this kind of thing personally.
- pitlord, on 05/12/2008, -4/+18So, we have an Israeli tycoon who made his fortune in oil, starting a company to mass produce electric cars. And the story was covered by NBC?
>.>
I'm shocked they overcame their anti Israel bias to report this story and they even admit that the guy responsible is a beneficiary of the "evil" oil industry? This almost makes capitalism look good!
o.O
There must be a flock of winged swine flying over the Kremlin right now. And the mother of all snow storms in Hades. - blackjack75, on 05/12/2008, -3/+16Just in case you didn't notice, this isn't the topic here.
- blackjack75, on 05/12/2008, -0/+11I am indeed sensible to the issue of the Israelo-Palestinian conflict, but I still dugg you down because this is about an electric car. I don't come whining about Iraq everytime something unrelated happens in the U.S.
- liorwohl, on 05/12/2008, -0/+11Better Place Project is not developing a car, they will build all the battery exchange stations in Israel..
they however have contracts with Reno/Nissan to build the car and sell it in Israel, and another contract with the government to sell electric cars with 10% tax instead of 75% for normal car here in Israel..
this Reno Megan in the video is only a concept car built here to show politicians and media that electric cars are possible. - yonoz, on 05/12/2008, -2/+12The electric car is only a part of the "Project Better Place" concept. The crux is setting up battery stations where batteries will be automatically replaced. The only difference in their electric car is that it will be designed to enable replacing the batteries in such a station.
- NihilityB, on 05/12/2008, -0/+10Anyone living in a major city could use a car like that and reducing the amount of smog would greatly improve the life quality in said city.
- heystoopid, on 05/12/2008, -0/+8Interesting in a perverse sort of way , but obviously you don't read about how many fellow citizens are killed or badly injured daily by drunken motorists in that country .
- neko6, on 05/12/2008, -0/+7Do I sense some cynicism? First Google result: http://christianactionforisrael.org/antiholo/arabn ...
- freezeout, on 05/12/2008, -0/+6that's why they make hybrids. most of the driving people do is to and from work, and that's way less than 120 miles. when you need o take a long trip then you fill up the gas tank.
- neko6, on 05/12/2008, -0/+7Actually, that happened not so long ago with a Palestinian driver who killed several Israeli children. He claimed it was an accident, but witnesses said it was murder.
I don't think it actually happened with an Israeli driver and Palestinians, though it did happen with one stupid anti-Israeli protester who lied down under a bulldozer and got run over. - ButterBuddha, on 05/12/2008, -2/+12Since Israel is geographically small, having a car with only a 120 mile range isn't an issue. It'll work for them, but for the rest of us, we hope that they come up with some sort of break through in battery technology so that the range increases to 250-300 miles between charges...
- dkapuchino, on 05/12/2008, -0/+6This also happened when the Israelis were stupid enough to allow Palestinians into Israel for work. A Palestinian bus driver decided to run his bus into a crowded bus station, killing 8 and injuring 23.
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Security/909 ... - blackjack75, on 05/12/2008, -0/+7On the other hand if he had electric cars he probably wouldn't have needed to seize russia and north africa for oil. He could have dedicated all his energy to do.. you know this other thing he did.
- neko6, on 05/12/2008, -1/+8He already was with them, he had a pact with the Arab leaders of the time. After Germany lost the war, many Nazi officers fled to live in the Arab world, where they led and trained soldiers to invade Israel and genocide the Jews.
- flair1, on 05/12/2008, -0/+7no, he'd be behind the muslim terrorists
- blackjack75, on 05/12/2008, -0/+7It doesn't matter if the country is small. It depends on how much you move. If you drive over 60 miles to work, you should find another job find a way to work remotely. If you plan on going to New-York from L.A., then a plane would be the right choice.
- TechyLah, on 05/12/2008, -0/+5Israelis are forward thinkers and this continues the progress of turning desert into gardens. They even have the range right.
Why should they design an electric car for Texas when their country is the size of New Jersey. If it costs half the cost of a Prius and is twice as fun to drive we should all consider one just for our commutes. I trust Israel to make something lean and mean and as reliable as possible more than I trust GM to do the same. - neko6, on 05/12/2008, -0/+5Its not OWNING cars thats forbidden, its entering the city with them. Usually there are huge parking lots OUTSIDE the city, and there you can rent a bicycle or rely on public transport (usually emission free)
Short Googeling gave me:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_carfree_place ...
http://new.carfreecity.us/
http://www.carfree.com/book/index.html - karapuz, on 05/12/2008, -0/+6The problem with this scheme is the battery quality, battery quality varies greatly based on age and how the batteries were treated (deep discharge/overcharging/etc). If I bought a new car with new batteries I am not sure I want to subscribe to a service which would give me older batteries in exchange for my new ones (which I could trickle charge at night).
- dkapuchino, on 05/12/2008, -2/+7Hey ad33, I seem to be a bit misinformed on the history of the middle east. Can you find me a reliable link that explains when, how and why the Palestinian territories were "Occupied"? What was the country/countries that previously held the land before the Israelis? Why aren't the Palestinians citizens of these countries? What is the quality of the Palestinians' lives in those countries that used to hold the so called Territories? Was the land occupied during a war? What were the causes for that war? Can you give me examples of any war in which the winner retreated completely from the lands occupied? Has Israel ever agreed to return any of the land occupied? how much of that land was it willing to return? what was the Palestinians' response to that offer?
Are Israeli cities such as Nazareth and Haifa also Occupied? What about Jerusalem and Tiberius? How many Palestinians used to live In those cities 200 years ago? How many Muslims used to live in those cities 2000 years ago? How many Jews lived in those cities 2000 years ago?
Please answer these questions precisely and back them up with historical documents if you can.
Thank you, Dkapuchino. - zolthar, on 05/12/2008, -2/+6The initiative does not belong to oil tycoons, they invest in such project because they know they should not put all the eggs in one basket.
- neko6, on 05/12/2008, -0/+4There are cities with no cars allowed in Europe - I'm dreaming of many cities with no fuel-driven-cars allowed in a decade...
- blackjack75, on 05/12/2008, -0/+4In a similarly-sized country (Switzerland) we get 400 deaths per year on the road (down from 900 in 1990). I assume they get something similar, if not higher. So yes, according to the BBC ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6215769.stm ) this problem is apparently as important if not more than the local conflict, in terms of deaths.
Or to put it clearly, terrorism has killed less in the U.S. since 2000, than road accidents killed in Switzerland, a small 7 million people country, during that same period. - getbusylivin, on 05/12/2008, -1/+5Yes, he did love to paint.
- zolthar, on 05/12/2008, -1/+5It's easier for Israel to do something like that, since it is a relatively small country.
Bigger nations should treat it as a case study.
It's neither a snobbish "I'm doing it before everybody else" display, there's enough international corps involved. - neko6, on 05/12/2008, -2/+5Why do you think it was funded by US tax? Its not a US project.
- leubstop, on 05/12/2008, -1/+4i want to know who the Palestinians took their land from.. there was no ancient palestine... so the arab inhabitants must have have occupied some other peoples land.. and those people must have occupied some other people country.. in fact the only historical reference for any country in that area was Judea Samaria and before that it was called Canan.. but nope cant find an ancient people called palestinians.. which means, Israel was OCCUPIED up until 60 years ago, when its historical inhabitants cameback to find other people living in their houses.
- yonoz, on 05/12/2008, -0/+3Since the battery will be easily exchangeable, and will remain the property of the company that provides the subscription, the user needn't worry about battery life etc. - they'd replace it at the next service station. The cars are meant to be charged at home/parking lots, the automated replacement is a solution to the range problem.
- neko6, on 05/12/2008, -2/+5You're saying that as someone who lives over dead bodies of Native Americans?
Even if the "occupied" mantra was correct (and it isn't), I'd take an occupier of LAND over a MURDEROUS OCCUPIER any day. If Israel killed 90% of Palestinians and Israeli Arabs today, they would be even with the US in terms of brutality. Until then, STFU at those who are morally superior to you within your own moral standard. - DominicUK, on 05/12/2008, -0/+3Why? How often do you drive over 120 miles? The average car journey is much shorter than you think. We should all own these (if we have to own a car) and perhaps hire petrol-powered cars if we go on a long trip, although ideally we'd take the train or something...
- leubstop, on 05/12/2008, -4/+7in other news palestinians are working on eco friendly kassam and grad rockets... the new rocket will be propelled by methane extracted from cows flatulence.. the thought is that the cow was going to do release it into the air anyway, might as well harvest the methane and use it against the Israeli enemy..Hamas is asking israel to return the exploded metal and remaining shrapnel so that it can be recycled and used again. Hamas feels with its current schedule of launchings that its carbon footprint would reduced to that of a small warring village. " Yes we kill people, but why should the earth suffer!" said hamas spokesman.
- inactive, on 05/12/2008, -0/+3Did they just say 0 to 60 in just 8 seconds, like it's very fast?
- neko6, on 05/12/2008, -1/+4There is such a thing as Palestine, even Israel agreed to recognize their existence when they signed the Oslo accords.
Problem is, Palestine officially demands to conquer Israel... So unsurprisingly, Israel isn't letting them accumulate more weapons etc. - inactive, on 05/12/2008, -2/+4If only our beloved puppets recognized that we need cars and research like this.
- urik88, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2You may want to search for the connections that Hitler had with "Haj Amil Al Husaini", the grand mufti of Jerusalem (the religious leader of the Arabs in Israel back then).
- urik88, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2Awesome! Sadly, it's going to take a while until it arrives over here in Argentina (where the people's mentality is still a few years behind the US and Israel's one).
- Stemp, on 05/12/2008, -1/+5Renault
- neko6, on 05/12/2008, -1/+3Warning: Very graphic, its the content the Israeli government censors with respect to the dead... :S
Otherwise, important to remember Israeli actions have a reason. - ozziedog, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2Best thing Israel can do is go electric, non oil or fossil fuel, If Israel needs Nuclear power, they should put their nuclear facilities close and upwind of their enemies so that any strike against the plants, the radiation will drift towards the Syrians or Hezbollah occupied territories.
- neko6, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2You'd need to consider 100 cars vs. one plane though...
- AbdullahAbuDawu, on 09/12/2008, -0/+2Hey buddy, Muslims don't believe in Nationalism. The Palestinians you are talking about are just Muslims living in occupied territory post-khalifa. Muslims have been in al-Quds since the time of Ibrahim (because Ibrahim was a MUSLIM). The original Jews were not in the Ummah of our Prophet(saw) until he came to this earth but they worshiped God alone and therefore submitted themselves to God(swt). Meaning, yea thats right, they were MUSLIM. So Muslims have been in al-Quds since Ibrahim.
Now, since I know you are going to attempt to refute this racially... I will argue with you on a race basis too. See those people in the Torah called פלשתים (I hope you can read hebrew, it says filistine)? Well guess what the 'Palestinians' are actually called... This one will be a shocker for you... فلسطين . That says filistine.
And David
David (daw-veed')
loving; David, the youngest son of Jesse -- David.took
laqach (law-kakh')
to take (in the widest variety of applications)the head
ro'sh (roshe)
the head (as most easily shaken), whether literal or figurative (in many applications, of place, time, rank, itc.)of the
Philistine.and brought
bow' (bo)
to go or come (in a wide variety of applications)it to Jerusalem
Yruwshalaim (yer-oo-shaw-lah'-im)
founded peaceful; Jerushalaim or Jerushalem, the capital city of Palestine -- Jerusalem.
Hey DK... I found that history in your own book... Is that an ok source? - yonoz, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1Once again, there's nothing really special about the car itself - the concept is that of a subscription model where the customer REPLACES the car's batteries in robotic service stations, much like filling a petrol tank.
- gkiltz, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1Israel is smaller than New Jersey!
I'd like to see how well it can actually do in countries such as the US or China, or Brazil, where the distances covered are vast!
Distance between charges is the killer of electric cars in most of the world. Some things never change! - monsieurginger, on 05/12/2008, -1/+2I love Israel.
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