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- brightlight4, on 10/13/2008, -2/+19NOW I understand why there are certain animals in danger of disapearring!!!
- palehorse864, on 10/13/2008, -0/+15Call captain planet!
- manzplan, on 10/13/2008, -2/+16Here is a thought.. if all the confiscated ivory were sold REALLY CHEAP.. (with certificats) then wouldnt that slow down the criminals because people could buy it CHEAP..
it wouldnt be worth it to poach.. - MacBookForMe, on 10/13/2008, -1/+10...and we have so many security agencies with the best possible equipment and legal powers...
- FaithclubDotNet, on 10/13/2008, -0/+7The unseen costs to the environment because people live in poverty are huge. If we could fix human poverty, there would be less damage to the environment. People who are against wind power because it hurts the birds and solar because it hurts the deserts do not realize we need energy to help people and to help conserve the environment.
- NonLeftistDiggr, on 10/13/2008, -1/+6buried for not including money taken through global warmongering human apologist feel good programs.
- Wittyfish, on 10/14/2008, -0/+4Water!
- poidh, on 10/13/2008, -0/+4I prefer more hardline methods. Legalise the killing those who make money from the trade.
- SpiraetSpera, on 10/13/2008, -0/+4Earth!
- FaithclubDotNet, on 10/13/2008, -0/+4If you sold the ivory really cheap now, I'd buy as much as I could. Because when you run out, the price will go back up, and I'll make a profit selling it off. For a few years the poachers wouldn't have a market, but it'd come back.
- JT114881, on 10/13/2008, -0/+3He's gonna take pollution down to zero.
- inactive, on 10/13/2008, -0/+3Let's put in for a collection on the internet. It should be like to collect a sizeable sum.
Then someone should go and hire a middleman, one who is safe in these matters.
Then put a big lump of money, say 100K on each bastard who makes this profit. Bring evidence of wrongdoing and death, say in the form of a severed head, and the payment is delivered.
I'd go for real justice, but that stuff doesn't seem to work very well. - Mackofalltrades, on 10/13/2008, -0/+3The environment needs a hero.
- Beautyon, on 10/13/2008, -5/+8There is no such thing as "Environmental Crime". This is totalitarian double speak. The Grauniad is in the forefront of introducing this deliberately bastardized english which is being used to control people. Just ask the people of the Czech Republic about this sort of language:
“It was the genius of [George] Orwell who taught us a lesson that the totalitarian regime starts with a misuse of language. It’s a loss of meaning, of words. All this is very dangerous, and we know this from our very own experience. We were not a democracy – we were “people’s democracy” under the communist regime, which was stupid because “people’s democracy” means “democratic democracy”. Such strange words improve, as jewels, some sensitive expressions, like “sustainable”. Everything is sustainable in the European Union, or it should be. The misuse of such words is the first step towards totalitarian thinking. That’s why I tried to give a warning that this misuse will change our sensitivity to the creation of totalitarian thinking.”
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http://www.radio.cz/en/issue/108996
They know all about it, having lived through occupation by the Soviets.
You have been warned. - JakeyG14, on 10/14/2008, -0/+3Fire!
- nick111, on 10/13/2008, -0/+2Yea, I kindof get your meaning - but what's actually happening is that retards are breeding with retards - producing mega-retards, who all leave comments on digg for some reason.
- nick111, on 10/13/2008, -0/+2There's also wholesale habitat destruction - as in an area of forest the size of England is cut down every single year.
And incredibly irresponsible fishing practices
And habitat destruction from climate change.
The fact that poachers are responisble for some of the damage doesn't absolve us from the damage that we are causing. - inactive, on 10/13/2008, -0/+2Borez is butthurt about being dugg down. He sure has his priorities in order!
- arjie, on 10/13/2008, -0/+2Hey borez, can I get references to what you mention? It sounds like a bit of a problem. I understand that some other countries plan on using nuclear or coal as a base-load power source and then using wind power on top of that.
What does Denmark do to mitigate the vagaries of wind power? At what price do they sell the excess energy to Finland at? Any idea on what the net costs are of storing power instead of selling at a loss? Seriously honest questions, I've always been a fan of wind power, it seemed like a such an elegant solution, using all that untapped energy, but curiosity burns inside :) - richlw, on 10/14/2008, -0/+2Wind!
- hamobu, on 10/13/2008, -3/+5Where you fail is that the term "environmental crime" is not government mandated, but came out of commont usage. language naturally changes and mutates, and that is what is happening here.
- angryredplanet, on 10/14/2008, -0/+2Now that's thinking outside the square!! I like that idea and would happily chip in a tenner.
- arjie, on 10/13/2008, -0/+2Oh god no, there's an Indian there. That's bad news because our tiger populations are very low, and falling even lower except for the state I'm from which registered a marginal increase. This is very bad news. Everyone shoots endangered animals. This big movie star shot an endangered antelope and he gets away light. Something is very wrong.
- phreak79, on 10/13/2008, -1/+3Deforestation is the biggest environmental issue we face for me. Climate, wildlife, biodiversity. All manner of benefits from protecting the rainforests, yet it receives next to no political attention. Scandalous.
- simplyintricate, on 10/13/2008, -0/+2We are empowering those "environment criminals". If we quit buying the things that make these criminals money, they would have no incentive to do what they do.
So quit using that paper and get a tablet. If you email your homework and take notes via tablet, you save not only paper but the environment. If you charge your tablet via solar power (I know, sounds like an awful long charge time), then it's all environmentally friendly. - nick111, on 10/13/2008, -0/+2Well 5 people dugg you up, so someone presumably knows what you're talking about, but to me it looks like you just strung a load of right-wing buzz-words together into something that isn't actually a sentence.
I get spam that makes more sense than you. Are you allowed to vote? - nick111, on 10/13/2008, -0/+2@borez
http://www.metaefficient.com/cars/danish-drivers-t ...
The instability of Denmark's wind farms isn't because they don't work, it's because they work a little too well... and that is a technical issue.
In essence what you're saying is "ooh, there's a hurdle. Lets write off the entire technology then". - nick111, on 10/13/2008, -1/+3Well provide us with some citations then, because without them I'm afraid you fall into the "don't know what the ***** they're talking about" camp.
- ashwinmudigonda, on 10/13/2008, -0/+1Relevant to that, a "bandit" from India:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veerappan - Mackofalltrades, on 10/17/2008, -0/+1wheres heart?
- bphicke, on 10/13/2008, -0/+1Spinning reserve is only an issue if you limit yourself to just wind turbines. Even then, if you keep them running at a low output, you have room to increase torque for higher demands.
- hamobu, on 10/13/2008, -1/+2Nonsense. We are talking about the crime relating to the environment. Hence the term "environmental crime". No dark totalitarian conspiracy to controll your mind.
- Beautyon, on 10/13/2008, -1/+2Where you fail is that you have not considered the words of Vladimír Železný. Totalitarian thinking does not come exclusively from government mandate; it is a trend that can be fostered and promoted by anyone with a typewriter and a job at a large newspaper.
Newspaper editors are extremely powerful in the UK. They can force laws to be enacted simply by publishing a few articles; the danger is the same nonetheless - a population that cannot think because the language has been so perverted and the meaning of words so changed that any expression of opinion other than what evil people like those at the Guardian want to have on the table is impossible.
The 'environmental movement' is deliberately changing language to move its agenda forward. Some of this agenda is logical, but some of it is not, and it is the part that is not logical that is dangerous. In order to sort out what is true and what is not true, you need to be able to use language - a common, unadulterated language - to frame your thoughts in.
The idea that the environment is an entity against which a crime can be committed is just wrong. The phrase 'Environmental Crime' is a false construct, designed to give personality (and rights) to something that has none and which, logically, cannot have any.
TLDR? - inactive, on 10/13/2008, -0/+1Legalize weed because it produces more oxygen than trees do and will help.
lol someone had to. - Wittyfish, on 10/14/2008, -0/+1Um... They're making a lot more than that.
- inactive, on 10/13/2008, -0/+1thought you were posting this one
http://digg.com/world_news/Man_Arrested_For_Steali ... - Windadct, on 10/13/2008, -0/+1Ummmm....
The Wall Street Crimnals just go 700B - oh and the Politicans that handed it to them gave themselves 100B for the effort! - hamobu, on 10/13/2008, -0/+1not only that, but you would not even make a dent in price, because people would buy cheap ivory and resell it at higher price right away.
best way is to make collection of ivory expensive with stiff punishments. - nick111, on 10/13/2008, -0/+1So like err... what sort of fences would you need to contain elephants?
- ScottoGato, on 10/13/2008, -0/+1We need to combine rhino DNA with cat DNA and make rhinocats. We could then sell rhinocat ivory legally to eliminate any need for poaching. rhinocats, damn it! come on.
- inactive, on 10/14/2008, -0/+1If you DON'T care about being dugg down then you definitely care about if I think you do. Like I said, get your priorities in order.
- metalgodz, on 10/13/2008, -2/+3Nice idea...Except as it shrinks the number of poachers, your supply of "REALLY CHEAP" ivory shrinks as well.
What happens when that supply is gone, especially now that you've created more demand?
NOT a good idea. - Wittyfish, on 10/14/2008, -0/+1Well Manzplan, your idea has certain merits. The idea is a sound one, but you've got to underestand that the reason that ivory is so valuable is because its so rare. You can sell them really cheap but that would tax the local government which would in turn tax the local people. The people thereabouts aren't as rich as we are in America. You can have the "***** em all mentality" but you've got to understand that the rest of the world just isn't as awesome as you are.
- angryredplanet, on 10/14/2008, -0/+1@Beautyon
"... the meaning of words so changed that any expression of opinion other than what evil people like those at the Guardian want to have on the table is impossible."
Those innocent poachers and loggers need sanctioning and protection from the violent and malevolent environmentalists so they can happily make a billion dollar profit at the expense of the planet.
/sarcasm
I agree that irresponsible journalism is 'evil' but in this case, most justified. I wouldn't bank on us getting all of the facts straight from the guardian, but we all know this is happening. Who are we kidding by blaming the journalist or news agency?
"The 'environmental movement' is deliberately changing language to move its agenda forward. Some of this agenda is logical, but some of it is not, and it is the part that is not logical that is dangerous."
It needs to be moved forward!!
Have you not noticed that the environment (what is left from the reaming it gets) tends to get overlooked, overworked and overexploited - particularly when you look away? It deserves our protection, it needs our protection, but not as much as we need it - simply to exist. The corporations, companies and even individuals responsible for the ecological damage we are exposed and desensitised to every day would rape your mother if it would save them a dollar.
The bunk you're spreading is misleading, dangerous and irresponsible. Wise up.
"The idea that the environment is an entity against which a crime can be committed is just wrong."
I'd beg to differ and you need to clarify. The environment is a collective entity, which funnily enough, includes us. Biosphere - biodiversity - flora and fauna - life. You are proposing that life has no rights? Were you bought up in soviet Russia? You need to get out, take a walk in a real forest (I know they're getting more difficult to find - to highlight a point) if just to ponder what you've bought to the table in this discussion. Your totalitarian-government-mind-control paranoia helps nothing and nobody. - lmf49, on 10/14/2008, -0/+1this is china's fault
- angryredplanet, on 10/14/2008, -0/+1@FaithclubDotNet
I will never buy ivory and I will never sell ivory. Likewise with furs and skins. Not for any amount of money.
I'm sad to see your moral compass doesn't show you true north, instead portrays you as typically human for whom greed is an intrinsic trait, at the peril of everything around you. - nick111, on 10/13/2008, -1/+2So what? You're trying to equate people who care about the environment with the former USSR?
Jesus, have you ever met an environmentalist? I mean really? Go along to a Friends of the Earth meeting and see if you can spot any similarities whatsoever.
Then take a look at any repressive regime in the world, including repressive aspects of the US or UK systems... these are all strongly anti-environment. The only shred of environmental concern (and they are shreds when compared to corporate concern) is because the majority of people do actually care about the environment.
And you're trying to make out that this is somehow Orwellian?
You're a ***** idiot. - inactive, on 10/13/2008, -0/+1Dugg you up because diggs are meaningless.
- inactive, on 10/13/2008, -1/+1certificats, i see what you killed there
- megabozz, on 10/13/2008, -1/+0Why not legalize elephant farms where ivory could be harvested without killing the beasts? Seems like the war on ivory is working about as well as the war on drugs.
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