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- Dainjah, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18The ecosystem is a finely tuned balancing act. If one creature goes extinct the population of many other life forms is greatly affected, thus causing other plants or animals to perish.
- m0nk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16The rate of extinction is much higher than that of creation or evolution (thus labeling this a
MASS extinction). Besides, how many of the species that we have yet to discover will disappear before we do find them? - caliform, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13I guess quipping the term 'Alarmism' provides you with the necessary ease of conscience, but the truth is that there are actually issues with the environment that need to be adressed. Want another word to consider? "Generalise".
- KissTheRing, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Elton John is no biologist, just like Michael Crichton is no climatologist
- ivanjs, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9And I always get my extinction related science from Elton John-he's tops in the extinction/entertainment field in my book...
- Dweller99, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7"Certainly people in Chechnya* (or some other heavily burdened peoples) are more concerned about thier extinction then that of the environment."
Sadly for a lot of us its more about the "right" to drive our Hummer to Starbucks. - Rummy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7"That's what Elton John called the Circle of Life"
Omatsei, I think you need to watch the Lion King again. The song crudely demonstrated how ecosystems work, there was no mention of new species arising or old ones beocming extinct. And with the comment about the new species yet to be discovere you make it sound like they are a resource to be exploited. They are not oil fields. If we have such a careless, callous attitude to nature then nature will come back and bite us in the ass. If the Lion King taught you anything it should have been that we are very much dependant on the other life forms around us. - eqisow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3What I'm concerned about is all the tasty seafood. :(
- peritonlogon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I do believe that's what most people would like NOT to happen. We would prefer to avoid a catastrophe like the ones we're inflicting on other species. But think about your comment beyond the surface of what you meant by it.
"I think Earth will take care of the problem itself, especially if humans are the problem."
This means nothing other than "I think things will happen." It's almost impossible to argue against that point because I think things will happen too...believe it with all of my heart. However, I think intelligent decisions can and need to be made to affect what things will happen, because we have a vested interest in which things happen. - Edmundo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Al Gore has been saying for the last few years that in 10 years, we reach a point of no return in regards to climate change. Are we at the point of no return with this species extinction or do we have some time until we reach said point of no return? Or all of these points of no return interrelated?
- Metman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Withdraw your nails.. damn. I really do not think he was inferring that Elton John is a scientist. Perhaps he was join coining the phrase? (wow - Diggers are merciless)
- scooterbaga, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2As long as the cows and chickens don't die out we'll be fine.
/joke - mlarsen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yea, this is totally true. When we made the dinosaurs extinct it was all our fault and we could have......Oh, wait. We were not around yet. Hmmm? I wonder who / what could have destroyed all the dinosaurs? May be it was NATURE!
We are not as power full as we think we are. - Metman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3We as a collective people neither harbor the concern nor are we willing to make the sacrifices to our 'standard of living' to make the changes necessary to 'stop' this. While you and I may be willing, or all of an entire country be willing - an entire world needs to be willing. Certainly people in Chechnya* (or some other heavily burdened peoples) are more concerned about thier extinction then that of the environment.
- fredrated, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Yet we kill off millions of unborn babies in the form of abortion. Where's the outrage?!"
I'm outraged that the people 'against' abortion are responsible for more abortions then all of planned parenthood put together. These are the same people that resist sex education and contraception, causing more unwanted pregnancies and subsequent abortions than any other cause. How do you spell 'hypocrite'? - eqisow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"It's funny, we go out of our way to save all sorts of plants, whales, birds, and whatever. Yet we kill off millions of unborn babies in the form of abortion. Where's the outrage?!"
Oh, there's plenty of outrage against abortion, or haven't you noticed?
Not to say I'm contributing to it, because I'm not, but it's there. - peritonlogon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2In the words of Rush "If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice." Fatalism (I'm taking your use of 'Nature' be the equivalent of fatalism) either is or it isn't and no argument can change how things are. The decision of which to follow and how to use arguments concerning fatalism and free will are very dangerous because they can easily be employed to promote whatever prejudice or convenient fancy we happen to hold. And, as such, they are not relevant arguments in any way. (For more clarification on this read Kant's Antinomes in The Critique of Pure Reason where 4 arguments for and against God, Free will and 2 more are employed using just about the exact same argument for and against.) If you think they are you are just missing the point.
Whenever you engage in reasoning about how events may unfold and which decisions to make based on the outcomes you wish and the data present, fatalism simply cannot enter in, because, it is irrational. You are essentially saying "I choose to do this because I do not have choice." The person who says this has now reasoned themselves out of any accountability for anything, including logical coherence.
Now, you could argue that we have no choice in the matter anyway. If you do that it would be nice if you came right out and said it. "Nature" has been used by so many people to mean so many different, mutually exclusive things. So just post "we do not have the ability to willfully affect change on events still to come and, as such, should not waste our time discussing, becoming indignant over or organizing to affect said events." - space1nvaders, on 10/06/2008, -0/+0That's true we are not as powerful as we think we are but it does not give us the right to trash the planet. Scientists are highly educated people who are usually not understood by the non-scientific community because of their technical knowledge. Because we don't understand scientists, and for that matter what is going on in the world, we react by either "respecting" what the experts are saying or "trashing" the experts like we do everything else.
Questions on this discussion should be: I want to help, what can I do? - phonest, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Ron Hawker and CaptainSpeaking: Yeah, evolution is natural... doesn't mean it won't act against humans. When a species becomes too successful it inevitably dies off... that's natural, but is it ok with you if humans die off?
- stewiesdeuce, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0FUD
- space1nvaders, on 10/06/2008, -0/+0I can't believe how many people mike light of such a serious situation. Whether one agrees or disagrees with the results of the "scientific" study, we should have respect for all species and our planet. That's the problem. A lack of respect for the earth and all life on it including ours.
We can't continue to have 0.01% of the population solving the problems of the world. - CaptainSpeaking, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Nah, Evolution will take care of them, and new species will surge.
- Talphin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I say we start raising our children in space. A little dose at first. Just orbiting the earth for a few generations. But then we start to dunk them into the vaccum of space for a bit until our species evolves to take advantage of what space has to offer instead of dying from it.
Of course we won't be "human" at that point, but hey... They can tell our stories. :)
And it might actually work! :P
I know... I am crazy... - mweels, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0
I think Earth will take care of the problem itself, especially if humans are the problem. - ronhawker, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3Uhhh....isn't this called evolution????????????
We, the dominant species (currently) are replacing or changing some of the less dominant. Hasn't this happened in several cycles over the last 10 mil years or so.
Nature, as in naturally occurring.
We are naturally following our "nature" to dominant and claim our environment. For bad or good (perception). Under evolution, at least as currently understand; there is no bad or good in this. Just fact and occurrence.
Maybe the "bad" new highly resistant bacteria that is showing up more and more is a natural selection process in the making. Maybe there is an innate self-correction system for dominant species. Remember the dinosaurs...oh yeah...you don't 'cause they're gone. - right75, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2So, what are we supposed to do? Go save all these plants and animals?
It's funny, we go out of our way to save all sorts of plants, whales, birds, and whatever. Yet we kill off millions of unborn babies in the form of abortion. Where's the outrage?! - brdsofprey, on 10/12/2007, -10/+4Do you know how many mass extenctions the earth has gone through? And how many more it will go through? The concept of mass extinction is natural. Whenever the earth goes through changes faster than animals can adapt there is die off.
That being said, we need to find alternatives to chopping down forrests for wood and dumping fertilizer into the feilds which ends up on our reefs. We have made improvements in the field of animal management and conservation. But, unfortunately there will continue to be what is considered a high number of extinctions while humans are around. - omatsei, on 10/12/2007, -20/+4Every day, species are destroyed, yes... but every day, more are created. That's what Elton John called the Circle of Life. Besides, there are hundreds, if not thousands, of species that have yet to be discovered.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -22/+4Alarmism.
Pay no attention to the Chicken Littles of this world my people.
Science will provide peace.
Worldpeace,
Ben
