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- jobbernowl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5A step in the right direction. I think with Michael Dell back in the drivers seat we can expect more great things from this company.
- fadeout, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2It's pretty easy to go "carbon neutral" when your manufacturing, engineering, tech support and logistics are all handled by 3rd parties (ie outsourced to China and India) who are just going to lie about anything negative.
- fadeout, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1When I worked for them (years ago before they sent all of our jobs to India) they were pretty bad about using known faulty onboard video and audio, it was cheaper to keep selling broken ***** and replace it than it was to fix anything...
- mentol, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I have a great deal of respect to people trying to make our living greener.
Good job Michael Dell. - joshpowell, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1What proprietary crap are you talking about?
They use pretty standard components other than the motherboard because they use a proprietary cooling system that only works with BTX motherboards (which really isn't proprietary but rather just not used very much other than by Dell).
Standard RAM, HDs, optical drives, etc etc. - jer2eydevil88, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Building a computer is fine for a home user but corporations require cheap machines at large quantities that can be imaged and cloned over and over again. Building custom computers may result in some anomalies between components or a shortage of same components. Proprietary power supplies are not a big deal when it comes to losing tens of thousands of dollars in I.T. budgets from hardware problems.
- jer2eydevil88, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Thanks for letting us know, anything else you want to vent about publicly while your on Digg?
- jer2eydevil88, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1We have already seen some great turn around events with the discontinuing of trialware and the new budget small business line of computers. Truth be told though unless they improve customer service and move some call centers back into the united states I don't think they stand a chance of bouncing back. Apple keeps growing and getting great customer service reviews because they actually have customer service agents in the States still.
- loriloriagogo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Well that's more like it. Green marketing ftw!
- amsterdamordeth, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0you are right. Machines targetted to businesses are not the same issue as selling home computers. Companies buying dell machines in bulk have a reason, convenience. Those computers don't typically get upgraded.
- amsterdamordeth, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Unless they have recently changed, dell has always used proprietary cases and proprietary power supplies, which means the motherboard is then also proprietary. If it isn't proprietary it is a form factor that is absolutely not used outside of the dell brand. The chain reaction from this is huge. You cannot change the power supply to a NON dell PSU because then it won't connect to your motherboard. If you want to upgrade your video card, or add power hungry components, you HAVE to buy an upgraded dell PSU (IF they make one for your model). If your motherboard goes bad, you have to buy..... a dell motherboard, you cannot go out and buy a standard ATX board that is typically much cheaper than dells.
And BTX is far from a widely used standard form factor. You simply cannot buy a dell and then expect to go out and buy a decent motherboard for that case without scrapping the case, PSU, and motherboard when you want to upgrade. Dell's entire business is designed around keeping their customers buried in obscure hardware that forces them to go back to dell, or start from scratch, starting with the case.
I never said the ram was proprietary. I said it was cheap, generic ram. The materials used in the RAM is cheaper, which makes it less efficient and therefore becomes obsolete quicker. If you have original dell ram, open it up and see who made it. Not all ram is created equal, and he ram in your system is typically the bottleneck, especially if it's crappy.
XPS systems may be the exception to the rule, but the XPS we know today only exists because they were losing market share by ignoring what customers actually wanted.... a "decent" computer.
The problem isn't just dell, it is most major manufactures. HP/Gateway/etc. Unless you're buying a laptop, you're buying into dell for a few years, or you will pay more in the long run. - amsterdamordeth, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0Funny, I get dugg (most likely by dell fanboys or employees) for making the above comment but Dell creates more junk than anything by creating proprietary crap that a person has to scrap whenever they want to do a serious upgrade. So what if your carbon emissions are zero, you rip people off by selling someone a machine that is obsolete in a few months and full of JUNK software that no one wants. A friend mistakenly bought a brand new shiny dell and it took 5 minutes to boot and get to a working state. I nuked the drive and installed a clean Windows and it booted, ready to go in about 35 seconds.
If you can't build one yourself, go to your local computer shop and have them build you a custom computer that you can easily upgrade for the next 5-6 years. A dell is cheaper because it has cheaper components, period. Even most of the specs they list are completely erroneous and look good on paper, but in fact are generic or in house brand memory and motherboards.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0What does this move mean? Michael Dell's private fund must be investing in Carbon Credit companies...
Ain't know way this is MD being a good guy for nothing... - amsterdamordeth, on 10/10/2007, -2/+0I still won't buy a dell.
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