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- binky79, on 10/15/2008, -1/+72Plastic bags are a baby choking hazard. + Dallas refuses to ban plastic bags. = Dallas hates babies!
- ousthouse, on 10/15/2008, -8/+59freedom > plastic free society
- tbenathan, on 10/15/2008, -4/+52Thank god. Plastic bags are FAR superior to paper in every single way, plus they can be used as trash bags later on.
- twinklyJesus, on 10/15/2008, -4/+43This is stupid. No cities are banning plastic bags. You'd make more impact banning fast food restaurants like the do in Paris. At least you get rid of the smell and all the food wrapper-related trash that precipitates in a 1 block radius from each location. That's an issue! Those "single use" plastic bags can be useful.
- jd33, on 10/14/2008, -0/+29Plastic bags lead to harder materials.
- Harabeck, on 10/15/2008, -5/+30Its not like paper is automatically eco-friendly. To get paper bags you have to cut down trees, as well as use more oil to ship them because of their greater density. The impact of banning plastic isnt really that big.
- psud0, on 10/14/2008, -10/+34Obviously Plastic Bag industrialists in Dallas have better connections in the city government :)
- lead2thehead, on 10/15/2008, -3/+26Plastic bag are awesome. You can carry 10 in each hand. I can unload all of my groceries in ONE trip. And there IS such a thing a biodegradable plastic. Why don't we just use those?
http://www.biobagusa.com/plastic-shopping-bag.html - govsucks, on 10/15/2008, -2/+25WHat!?!?! How dare they allow individuals and businesses to make their own choices, that is not the way of the state and Ocutus of Borg. We must assimilate them quickly my brother drones, lest freedom get into peoples minds like a infectious disease that will destroy the hive! /s
- moofree, on 10/15/2008, -2/+24Won't SOMEBODY please think of the children?!
- oldcrows40, on 10/15/2008, -4/+23There should not be a ban Period.
- septicmadman, on 10/15/2008, -0/+18Pretty sure all littering is banned...
- NonLeftistDiggr, on 10/15/2008, -11/+28It is refreshing to see somebody stand up to this hysteria
- inactive, on 10/15/2008, -0/+16If your reading comprehension was better, you would have noticed that the so-called American Chemistry Council is against banning the bags and wants to keep them. Given that you think the Council members are bastards but at the same time they share your point of view, what does that make you? I'll tell you: a bastard and a moron.
- mattrmcg, on 10/15/2008, -4/+19A voice of reason steps out among the crowd
- Berkana, on 10/15/2008, -1/+15The article makes a comparison to San Francisco, which has a ban, but SF didn't really ban plastic bags; they banned *disposable* plastic bags, which they defined as bags with plastic thinner than some measurement they arbitrarily came up with. So now, in SF, all the plastic bags in use are a little thicker (using more plastic and costing more to transport), and not officially disposable by the narrow legal definition of "disposable" in the bill, but still being disposed of as if nothing happened.
In other words, the ban was poorly written. They need to charge money for the bags, and give discounts to people who bring their own, and they need the charge to be large enough that people will really balk at not bringing reusable bags. Otherwise, people default to their lazy ass wasteful selves, and so do the companies under the ban. Or they need to mandate that the bags be woven or made out of fabric or something, because there are just too many loopholes for the plastic bag cartels to exploit. - badenglishihave, on 10/15/2008, -7/+20I hail from Massachusetts but I gotta say... TEXAS RULES!
- b9gh47q, on 10/14/2008, -4/+16Logic doesn't exist anymore.
- oddworld19, on 10/15/2008, -10/+22I'm Dallas and I could give two ***** about banning plastic bags.
blow me - panicofficer, on 10/15/2008, -1/+10Good for them. If banning plastic bags is such a great idea then those who want a ban should educate the public and convince them to give up plastic bags. I guess liberals just don't think people can actually make educated choices for themselves.
- cdigioia, on 10/15/2008, -0/+8Fast food restaurants are banned in Paris? I recall there at least being several McDonalds...and a local French fast food chain.
- Wilarseny, on 10/15/2008, -2/+9Or, instead of buying trash bags, use plastic grocery sacks. It makes no sense if you're like, oh I'm so eco friendly, I use my tote bags, and then you buy a roll of those thick black plastic garbage sacks.
- BuddyDoQ, on 10/15/2008, -0/+7That's not entirely true, or we wouldn't have opened our homes and schools to victims of Katrina.
- Wosat, on 10/15/2008, -0/+7Makes me proud to be a Texan.
- Dewhead, on 10/15/2008, -1/+7Amen. Thank God I live in a sane city (so far) like Dallas.
- OfNumbers, on 10/14/2008, -12/+18Ironic coming from a city that houses so many corporations' headquarters. They ban cigarette butt littering, but not bags...
- TsuruchiBrian, on 10/15/2008, -1/+7Or better yet they could remove the loopholes by removing the laws. Many environmentalists decided that trying to persuade people was way to hard and that the best approach was to use the government to enact laws forcing people into doing what a relatively small group of people wanted. I can not condone this kind of behavior.
If you want people to stop using plastic bags, then try to convince them they are hurting the environment. Or try to convince stores to reward people for not using them, etc. Taxes and subsidies = loopholes and corruption. If we can't convince people to voluntarily care about their own environment then we are ***** anyway. - GovernmentsGun, on 10/15/2008, -1/+6I applaud. Leave it up to the store owners and customers.
Remember: The key to being a good moral person is not to force, but to offer incentive for change. - inactive, on 10/15/2008, -0/+5I keep my plastic bags, and reuse them as trash bags. That way, I don't ever have to buy trash bags.
- lead2thehead, on 10/15/2008, -2/+7Biodegradable plastic. It's made from vegetable oils instead of petroleum. http://www.biobagusa.com/plastic-shopping-bag.html
- DigitAl56K, on 10/15/2008, -1/+6Dugg for common sense!
It drives me nuts that people go nuts over plastic bags and then walk out the store with tons of bottled water, tv dinners, small products with oversized and unneccesarily thick packaging, individually wrapped items, then get in their huge trucks and drive 10 miles home.
On the other hand I visit the local grocery and walk home and I much prefer plastic bags because paper bags are extremely akward to carry by comparison and tend to be brutal on your hands.
So I say screw the hypocrites. If you really want to improve the environment take up a meaningful cause and vote for energy reform. Maybe it's currently not as cost effective as it one day might be, but cleaning up our environment isn't going to be free and plastic bag pollution is hardly the biggest problem we have.
P.S. I hope you're reading this, Whole Foods.
P.P.S. Yeah, probably not. - Wonderama, on 10/15/2008, -0/+5Are you saying plastic is a gateway bag?
- yournightmare, on 10/15/2008, -1/+6Are you going to tell us why or not? The suspense is killing me.
- Mokole, on 10/15/2008, -1/+6Seriously? Plastic?
IMHO... Between the ***** at DISD schools with hundreds of teachers getting axed because of the mistakes of upper management, our city officials hijacking the Trinity River project to build Toll roads on what was suppose to be future public park space and vanity bridges.... This gets on digg? There are many more stories that should have been up here first.
/signed,
dallas county resident - Infidelcastr0, on 10/15/2008, -0/+4Good for them.
Incentive > Coercion
If you really care so much, instead of trying to ban plastic bags, why not put your money where your mouth is and buy a ton of canvas bags (they're like $1 each) and hand em out outside a grocery store. - matthughes, on 10/15/2008, -2/+6you're an idiot
- IneedaSN, on 10/15/2008, -2/+6im not calling them liars, im just curious as to what "negative effects on the environment" they were talking about
- SuperCujo, on 10/15/2008, -0/+4What about making the paper from hemp? No more cutting down trees and their yield per year is not far off a tree plantation after 10 years.
I'm sure there are waste from using hemp that can be used in the production of ethanol too. Win win. - inactive, on 10/15/2008, -0/+4Horray for anecdotal generalizations!
- Myrth, on 10/15/2008, -0/+4Probably more expensive than regular
- Pandalume, on 10/15/2008, -0/+4Looks like the answer to me (as long as they are as strong as their plastic counterparts).
- hartley, on 10/15/2008, -0/+4Exactly, am I the only one that has enough plastic bags to survive nuclear fallout underneath their sink?
- TsuruchiBrian, on 10/15/2008, -3/+7Cutting down trees = planting more trees. If you want them to plant more trees you have to use paper bags so they cut down more trees and increase demand for trees.
- slvrbullet87, on 10/15/2008, -0/+4You havent been to New York City have you peestandingup
- bandomac, on 10/15/2008, -0/+4all true
- IneedaSN, on 10/15/2008, -2/+6get some twenty-fo's on them shiets.
SPINNERS BABY
pimp them totes - IllBeBack, on 10/15/2008, -0/+3Locutus - http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Locutus_of_Borg
- inactive, on 10/15/2008, -1/+4That's one of the reasons why I like living here.
- slogans, on 10/15/2008, -0/+3Look into Timothy Leary instead...contributed much more to society then this schmuck.
- zlintux, on 10/15/2008, -0/+3The biodegradable plastic has several flaws:
1. They cost more
2. They cannot be recycled
3. People don't pay attention to the difference between petroleum based bags and biodegradable ones, and the biodegradable bags, if thrown in with the regular ones into a recycling bin, can severely taint the resulting mix and lower its quality.
4. Biodegradable bags will break down, but not quickly. They'll still clog city streets, drains and gutters, and harm wildlife.
5. If you buy into the whole "biofuels are causing food prices to rise" theory, this would be part of it.
As to why plastic bags are bad:
1. Petroleum based
2. If throw away, they won't degrade for a very long time, taking up more space in landfills
3. They clog streets, drains and gutters and harm wildlife.
4. People routinely put the bags into their recycling bins, which is a taboo. The bags are too low-grade plastic to be recycled by ANY recycling centre that is contracted for household recyclables. Recycling centres end up donating large parts of their days to cleaning the equipment of the melted plastic which cakes on and hinders their operation.
Paper bags are made from trees -- at least, originally. However, the significant majority of the pulp used in paper grocery bags is from recycled goods. Paper bags can be recycled anywhere, and degrade very quickly. The are inherently safe to people and animals alike.
They do however cost more than plastic bags (but less than biodegradable plastic bags), and weigh more (adding in shipping costs). -
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