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- nik707, on 10/27/2009, -7/+64I think the movie Idiocracy is a better argument for birth control.
- redcolumbine, on 10/28/2009, -8/+50If you want to be a parent, you can adopt. Take a kid out of a situation where they won't have a shot at education and give them a good life where they can be part of the solution.
- Shogi, on 10/28/2009, -3/+43The reason no one wants to talk about it is because there is no good way to enforce it. There are a huge number of human rights and equality issues that you'd have to tiptoe around, to the point that it would be like trying to perform the Nutcracker on Omaha beach during D-Day without getting hit.
The only approach to the situation is to educate people about the ramifications of population growth and hope they do the right thing.
And perfecting contraceptives would help. - emecks, on 10/28/2009, -5/+40Of course having children leads to needing bigger cars, making more trips, more washing, more cooking, more food transported to feed them and of course many more farts.
- absurdist, on 10/28/2009, -1/+35Do you understand the difference between "killing babies" and not having them in the first place?
- thegrantman, on 10/28/2009, -10/+41Zero population growth.
We need it. - Hetman, on 10/28/2009, -3/+31Yea accept it kind of back fires. The only ones who use it are the smart people.
- QuimbyDogg, on 10/28/2009, -4/+30Heard on NPR a few months ago that you can run your life doing everything you possibly can with a "green" spin on it. Driving an electric car, biking to work, public transportation, solar panels, not eating meat (or at the least red meat) whatever -- but if you have a kid you will basically cancel all of that out.
- TalahRama, on 10/28/2009, -0/+23Which sucks. You can't prevent some poor, uneducated, alcoholic, irresponsible loser from having a child, but once that child is born, it can be taken away because they're deemed unfit. Yeah, that works out real well, except for having a person in the world whose life will be ***** because politicians don't have the balls to nip it in the bud.
Oh, yeah, and the kid probably won't be adopted because the standards are absurd. - toxicshok, on 10/28/2009, -0/+22Birth Control =/= Abortion
- bubgz, on 10/28/2009, -2/+24So, you like beavers overall but you prefer wet beavers over beavers with teeth. I feel this is a reasonable statement and a good use of my internet time. Thank you.
- Purplekat, on 10/28/2009, -1/+21The reason nobody wants to talk about it is because when it comes to making babies, people can get a little bit insane. Not so much with the digg crowd, but try telling a bunch of soccer moms that having kids hurts the environment. There are lots of forums you could probably find on the internet where, if you wanted to be a serious troll, this would be a great bomb to drop.
And really, it doesn't have to be enforced, just like we don't enforce 'drive less, take public transport'. It could simply be talked about and encouraged. But nobody wants to talk about it because nobody wants to deal with the shrill shrieking that would result. - Bloodwine, on 10/28/2009, -4/+20Did you even watch the movie, nik707? It was the smart people (like Hetman said) who held off having children for various reasons, evaluating the best time and number of children, and so forth.
Meanwhile, the knuckledraggin' mouthbreathers bred like cats in heat. Those types of people aren't likely to ever use birth control.
The type of people who would avoid having children due to the carbon footprint are just making more room for the idiots to breed. Then again, if someone avoided having children solely due to their carbon legacy, maybe they are the idiots. - MacBookForMe, on 10/28/2009, -5/+20It's just too easy to make children cause it feels so amazingly good...but the bill for that pleasure always arrives later...
- Bloodwine, on 10/28/2009, -0/+15It is much easier to breed than to adopt. I feel bad for people who cannot reproduce, and have to jump through so many hoops and hurdles to try and adopt a child. I know in theory all those hoops and hurdles are to protect those children, but I really doubt the children in the system are living the high life.
- psion01, on 10/28/2009, -3/+18I hope PETA finds out about you.
- non00b, on 10/28/2009, -1/+15population control is already underway in most developed nations with no intervention. The vast majority of developed nations have low or negative birth rates. The problem is in the developing world, and it is largely due to lack of education. If you educate a population, encourage women to join the workforce, encourage birth control etc... population growth drops.
- BeShirtHappy, on 10/28/2009, -2/+16Digg needs emoticons. Because I need a "shaking my head, rolling my eyes" emoticon right now. :)
- Bloodwine, on 10/28/2009, -7/+21U.S. citizens breeding isn't the problem. They say a U.S. child has a much larger footprint of a child in a third-world nation, but they aren't talking about the numbers game. India, China, Africa are having many more babies than Americans.
A lot of Americans use birth control. Our [U.S.] population isn't exploding. - chuckDontSurf, on 10/28/2009, -0/+13"If you want to be a parent, you can adopt."
Like birth control, this is something that only responsible people will consider. So you go out and adopt and do your part, meanwhile irresponsible morons are having 6 kids by the time they're 25. - MWeather, on 10/28/2009, -0/+13I have a vasectomy, and It still feels just as good.
- borez, on 10/28/2009, -0/+13China has the worlds strictest one child per family policy, they already operate population control.
- stinkynavajoe, on 10/28/2009, -4/+17I like beavers. I was at the zoo once and saw a beaver that looked pretty cool. But it was right next to another beaver that looked just awful. Way too much hair and had teeth coming out of it...horrible. The better looking one was wet and sliding around all over the place, but the dry, hairy, grizzled one was just sitting there with no friends.
- fury420, on 10/28/2009, -1/+13....Did you only read the first line of my post?
or do you object to screening for & preventing inherited gene disorders? - Hetman, on 10/28/2009, -8/+20WTF is with the paranoia on this thread. Did prisonplanet and alex jones take over digg. This is madness.
- Hetman, on 10/28/2009, -1/+12You are amazingly ignorant. Even with birth control guess who end up usually having more kids. Poor people and poor nations. If anything this is genocide on the upperclass who are smart enough to only have enough kids they can afford.
- badenglishihave, on 10/28/2009, -0/+10You're too excited about birth control.
- psion01, on 10/28/2009, -0/+10I seriously doubt the reduction in births in industrialized countries is the result of Ehrlich's 'good work'. It's much more likely that in situations when parents have lower infant mortality and less need for unskilled hands to support survival-level agriculture, the difficulties associated with raising large families begin to outweigh the benefits and fewer people want more kids.
Parents aren't having fewer kids because they've been told not to, but because they simply don't need to. - Purplekat, on 10/28/2009, -1/+11But that's a crapshoot, anyway, since your kid might wind up with depression or autism or learning disabilities or issues stemming from bullying, or what have you.
I'm told that it's a good idea to take an adopted child to a therapist regularly from the get-go, to help with bonding (on their part and yours), as well as to help with other emotional issues.
And on the flip-flipside, if you're adopting a child who has emotional damage due to abuse, that means you've removed a child from an abusive situation and placed them in a situation where they can get help to work through what they've been through, and a loving environment where they'll have opportunities to shine. - lisaawesome, on 10/28/2009, -5/+15No worries here. I've got my beaver locked down.
- Purplekat, on 10/28/2009, -1/+11I completely agree with the adoption thing, and I don't understand why there's so much focus on a child that is biologically yours being somehow 'better'. You still get all the joys and responsibilities of raising a child, but you also have the joy of knowing that you made a difference in someone's life.
When my fiance and I have children, we plan to adopt -- not for environmental reasons, but for the reasons above, and we will love that child just as much as if he or she shared our DNA. - michaelrsa, on 10/28/2009, -4/+13No, people never learn. We try and try and try to teach them to stop breeding and they won't.
Not to long from now population is going to bring about a major global disaster and then we'll have two choices of lowering population, global war or global famine.
For all I disagree with the Chinese government I am in absolute agreement with their measures of population control. They realize that you can't teach the majority of people to stop breeding, you have to force them through punishment. - chuckDontSurf, on 10/28/2009, -0/+9"It cost us about 20K"
And that right there explains why adoption isn't feasible for many people. - EricSchC1, on 10/28/2009, -0/+9Or replying to a girl on digg.
- Gudeldar, on 10/28/2009, -1/+10You forgot to add /s at the end.
At least I really really hope you did. - Mujokan, on 10/28/2009, -6/+15All the conspiracy theorists scared of their own shadows start crying doom because someone calculated the carbon footprint of having a kid in the US.
- nepidae, on 10/28/2009, -0/+9I'm not sure what "Organic Seeds etc" is, but poverty and overpopulation are tied quite closely together.
- non00b, on 10/28/2009, -0/+8japan's problem is their absolute hatred of immigrants. They could easily solve their population problem by allowing more immigration, but it is an extremely xenophobic country. There is no lack of educated people in asia who could fill the void.
- alpharaptor, on 10/28/2009, -0/+8it's a documentary
- a2fan, on 10/28/2009, -1/+9That's what my wife and I did... we went to China and got take out. We'd go back and get another if we could, but it's even more expensive and rigorous than back in 2000 when we started.
It cost us about 20K, and took (at the time, 18 months) but in the end, it was faster, cheaper than a domestic adoption.
Not to stereotype, but my daughter is a whiz at math and science. - flip2trip, on 10/28/2009, -2/+10Did anyone see the new catchphrase? I did, carbon legacy--at least that's the first time I've seen it.
- Purplekat, on 10/28/2009, -0/+8Adoption can take you from bad to worse, though. I know a girl who was adopted not once but TWICE by physical and sexual abusers.
(Which actually kinda indicates that the hurdles aren't really working.) - nullcodes, on 10/28/2009, -5/+13Have as many kids as possible so that one of them may figure out how to harness fusion as an energy source and thereby resolve the carbon sequestration problem.
It sucks that when people live in great health and decent quality of life like in the countries with the ten highest life expectancies (we in the US at number 28 aren't included), there is no enough population growth. Thats why certain countires that you think are overcrowded (like Singapore and Japan) actually are having active campaigns encouraging people to have kids. http://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?t=10&v=30 - non00b, on 10/28/2009, -0/+8It is simply having a more educated population. Large families are largely a reflection of poor education. That is one of the reasons why developed nations generally have low or negative birth rates, the population is educated as a whole. Having women in the work force helps as well, since career minded women tend to avoid having many children.
- fury420, on 10/28/2009, -3/+11"Abortion Mills"
lawl
the best part has to be these quotes from your first link:
"While there are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as justifiable if recommended by a physician, I assert that the hundreds of thousands of abortions performed in America each year are a disgrace to civilization." - Margaret Sanger, (1920)
"To each group we explained what contraception was; that abortion was the wrong way—no matter how early it was performed it was taking life; that contraception was the better way, the safer way—it took a little time, a little trouble, but was well worth while in the long run, because life had not yet begun." - Margaret Sanger, (1938)
Sure looks damned obvious that she was in favor of birth control and preventing conception, not "abortion mills" - Shogi, on 10/28/2009, -7/+14Global birth control != targeted minority birth control
- Hetman, on 10/28/2009, -0/+7I agree with you. However as you pointed out that they need access to education. 3rd world countries who have the highest population growth usually do not have the best education systems. Places like America and Europe education is so expensive that it causes people to have less kids.
- sdipaola, on 10/28/2009, -2/+9All that is being advocating is population growth education. Which started with Erhlich's 1968 Population Bomb book. It generally has been work in that in modern countries have drastically reduced the size of families in the last 40 years down to a low of > 2 per family. We just need to keep up the good work and educate folks in third worlds too. If you look back on all the environmental solutions techniques of the last 40 years, you can make a case that this simple technique, educating people to have smaller families has been the biggest success compared to any other. Imagine if the US family rate was still around 4 or 5 as opposed to under 2 - those millions of more folks, dogs, cars, houses would have us in a much different situation than we have today. We simply need to keep the education going and spread it to more countries.
- non00b, on 10/28/2009, -0/+7I'd say the poorest countries where there is more population than the ability to feed them needs it.
- toxicshok, on 10/28/2009, -4/+11Only liberals use the work sir? You're a retard.
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