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- luke16, on 03/23/2008, -6/+48Today was a weird day.
Easter Sunday, i wake up, and it's snowing, snowing!! In South London!
I know it's early easter this year but still, March 23rd it shouldn't be snowing.
Crazy man. - borez, on 03/23/2008, -0/+34"To ‘clean’ the air for the Olympics, Chinese authorities will take 1m cars off the road and are closing factories a month in advance"
Maybe China should start giving a ***** about it's own people and not just the bunch of Olympic athletes who will there for two weeks only. - aserer511, on 03/23/2008, -10/+37at first I was going to say,"wow, deforestation needs to be curbed."
But then I realized WHY, in this case, it was occuring. farm land. That's probably built out of need.
If we want to end deforestation, we need to implement realistic population curbs in some nations - DelayedEraser, on 03/23/2008, -5/+31it's true that not all these photos directly relate to climate change... but that's good. with all the buzz about global warming, it's easy to forget that the real problem is more comprehensive – we are putting too much pressure on the planet in all sorts of ways.
- doogly, on 03/23/2008, -7/+33That last picture looks more like nuclear power plant cooling towers. That means they are just churning out steam. I'm not saying that they definitely are just that it looks like that. I think it's important for people to understand the nuclear power is *extremely* environmentally friendly, other then the tons of nuclear waste it produces. We just need to shoot that stuff into space.
- Triskozko, on 03/23/2008, -0/+211,000 homes built in a landfill.
OK I'm never complaining again. - automate, on 03/23/2008, -6/+25yeah, UK is poor. did you even read the article?
- zephyear, on 03/23/2008, -5/+22yeah if those penguins weren't so poor they could find a nice home on the mainland instead of a melting iceberg.
- dinkleberry, on 03/23/2008, -1/+14What makes your statistics correct and theirs incorrect?
- Witchboy, on 03/23/2008, -1/+14Because it optimizes for today's profits, not long term secondary benefit. Come on. If you still believe the "free" market is a magical solution to everything, look at how great ratings-driven news channels are, compared to BBC or PBS. I'm a capitalist, but I recognize the free market is just good for driving profit and efficiency. It sucks at protecting something like the quality of the nightly news or your civil rights. Those aren't always the big wins in terms of profit, but they're critical in other ways. Economic profit is not the only value worth optimizing toward.
- banmaster, on 03/23/2008, -6/+17I guess we could get the US to help them.
That ALWAYS causes widespread reductions in population. - Sackula, on 03/23/2008, -0/+11Whether global warming is true or false, it probably isn't a good thing to pump a bunch of ***** into the atmosphere.
- sammiches, on 03/23/2008, -0/+11Reading is good. AES Drax in Yorkshire pumps smoke out of the tallest chimneys in the country. The coal-fired power plant emits more CO2 – 22.8 million tonnes annually – than the 100 least-industrialised nations combined. Drax provides 7% of Britain’s electrical power. Burning fossil fuels to turn steam turbines and create electricity accounts for a quarter of the world’s greenhouse gas emissions, and coal has the highest carbon content of all fuels.
- OCSmoke, on 03/23/2008, -1/+12...now go buy new lightbulbs and you'll feel all better.
- DanOnTheMoon, on 03/23/2008, -2/+12For as much ***** as America gets, none of those places shown are in America. lol.
- inactive, on 03/24/2008, -1/+11The state I live in (Utah) was once COMPLETELY covered by a huge lake (Lake Bonneville). This lake formed about 32,000 years ago and almost completely disappeared, save for the Great Salt Lake and a few other very small bodies of water, about 16,800 years ago. In fact some geologists believe it could have disappeared and reformed itself as many as 28 times in the last 3 million years. This was a LAKE THE SIZE OF A STATE and by its own means, it reformed itself TWENTY EIGHT times... Was it from industrial pollution, too many SUV's, or evil corporations? I highly doubt it. This earth is in a constant state of change, and it always will be. Can you imagine if we had scientists back in the day of Pangea that could be placed into present day Earth? There wouldn't be one recognizable thing besides the sun coming up in the morning and the moon at night. To pretend that we can somehow halt whats been happening for the past 4.5 billion years, when we can't even accurately predict the weather a week in advance is laughable at best. "Climate change" is something we need to learn to live with, not fight and be afraid of. If you believe handing your money over to any government ("carbon credits") can alter the climate of the enitre planet then go for it, but I work too damn hard for mine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Bonneville
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangaea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_credit - 9bpm9, on 03/23/2008, -17/+26This is a bunch of crap. So it's global warming that a river has dried up to a point it was 140 years ago? Did humans cause global warming then too?
- inactive, on 03/23/2008, -0/+9The greatest irony of the nuclear power debate is that "The radioactive emission from [a] coal power plant is 100 times greater than a comparable nuclear power plant with the same electrical output; including processing output, the coal power plant's radiation output is over 3 times greater"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_power#Environmen ...
This isn't your usual wiki unrefrenced crap, there is also the actual link to the peer reviewed article down in the sources list. - solid12345, on 03/23/2008, -0/+8Right, let's not blame China's massive coal mining pollution, Brazil's rainforest burning, or the former USSR dumping chemicals in the water supply, all of the world's environmentalism problems are squarely on Exxon-Mobile!
- inactive, on 03/23/2008, -7/+15Is it in pictures for the hard of understanding?
- Me1000, on 03/23/2008, -1/+9you dont really cite yours either!
- oxigen, on 03/23/2008, -1/+8Coal-fired power plants... The idea alone sounds insanely inefficient. That technology is as old as the steam engine, I think it's time for an upgrade. As we find new ways for powering cars we should do the same thing about power plants.
- solid12345, on 03/23/2008, -2/+9Oh please, so if you deny global warming you are a creationist?
Who can forget the scientific community buying into the cold fusion hoax of the 80s wholeheartedly. All these intelligent guys with Phd's were willing to believe the laws of physics had been broken and even gave these hacks a standing ovation? Scientific consensus never always stays the same. - thedinomeister, on 03/23/2008, -3/+10Correlation is not causation. Unfortunately the tie between CO2 and Global Temperature is not entirely conclusive. If the most up to date research proves anything, it is that CO2 has a very small effect on the climate and is in fact a by product of increasing temperatures brought on by Solar Cycles. In conjunction with the Solar Cycles you get a few more variables included such as the magnetic field and it's effects on incoming cosmic ray bombardment and it's effects on the type of cloud formation at different altitudes in the earth's atmosphere. Because of the climate debate there have been a few breakthroughs in the greenhouse equations which better explain how it works not only on our planet but other's as well.
Pollution is not something to take lightly-- that is something that will kill thousands of Asians long before solar induced warming kills anyone. Unfortunately if scientists don't try to tie together the pollution and global warming threat and unify it's effects on us as a society of earth, then people won't do anything to stop it. Be it slightly skewed or totally false, their intents are well meant--- we need to clean up our act. - inactive, on 03/23/2008, -2/+9Cool, they're making smoked beef jerky on the hoof.
- psion01, on 03/23/2008, -1/+7No ... it's happened in the past, and it will happen again. Nor do I think humanity has no effect, either. But I do think human influence is rather slight and easily lost in the noise of a lot of other contributing factors.
- whyufail, on 03/23/2008, -4/+10This seems more like a statement about the massive overpopulation problem we have than climate change.
- aaarrrggghhh, on 03/23/2008, -3/+9As mentioned above the Drax picture is terribly misleading. The centre column is the chimney, all the rest are the cooling towers, thats water vapour, a cloud factory. If they make such a blatantly poor choice of image to make a point all the other images are completely untrustworthy, media hype at its lowest. I could head out tomorrow and find a dozen pictures of desolate waste sites, derelict buildings etc within a 3 mile radius and write a story about devastating poverty and waste, SPIN.
- MPiccinato, on 03/23/2008, -12/+18Buried for inaccurate title.
- Slackdragon, on 03/23/2008, -0/+6It's all good! I'm sure they bought plenty of carbon credits before they started slashing clear those areas for agriculture. That'll solve the problem! Carbon credits. Yeah, that's the ticket!
- inactive, on 03/23/2008, -1/+7this whole article is misleading the drak part is wrong the aussie part is wrong buried for inaccurate
are we supposed to tell people in brazil sorry u cant make a living because we need the rainforest? - psion01, on 03/23/2008, -0/+6I dugg you up, but I'd also argue that with better and better technology we can afford to tread more lightly upon the earth with the population we have. It wouldn't at all surprise me if in a few hundred years our global population is the same as it is today within a couple billion people, but with access to technologies that not only produce far less pollution, but also recover waste that gets away from us. We may find that today's landfills are our grand-children's gold mines.
Assuming, of course, that we don't do too much to limit growth and innovation. - zephyear, on 03/23/2008, -2/+8"the sun which is 100% responsible for climate changes"
"We can always plant more trees."
"I don't see where creating more farmland causes any harm to anyone"
man, if i could punch you through the internet i would right now - Cougaboy, on 03/23/2008, -0/+5http://www.tv.com/futurama/a-big-piece-of-garbage/ ...
- Jackar00, on 03/23/2008, -0/+5Except, they're not "developing" the wood. They're not even using it, they're burning it.
- SpectreFire, on 03/23/2008, -1/+6Drax Group plc (LSE:DRX) is a British based Electrical power generation company. The company's principal subsidiary is Drax Power Limited, owner of the Drax power station near Selby in North Yorkshire, the largest coal-fired power station in Europe which supplies about 7% of UK electrical consumption.
- iiBeLiEvE, on 03/23/2008, -0/+5That Chinese guy is hardcore.
- powerhouse, on 03/24/2008, -0/+5I'm all for helping out the planet and all but not being able to grill a steak is where I draw the line.
- darylyounge, on 03/23/2008, -1/+5Implement realistic population curbs. Hell yeah that's it - Nuke them!
- DeskFlyer, on 03/23/2008, -4/+8Huh?
- eddy23170, on 03/23/2008, -3/+7the UN must do something about deforestation. Honestly. I say pay the cattle farmers to be Forest Rangers, if you will, and patrol the forests to keep them alive. It probably won't happen but it is in everyone's best interest. Now if we can only stop spending all our money over in "You Know Where".....sigh
- inactive, on 03/23/2008, -3/+7I agree with you except the "liberal" thing - by buying into the left/right (fake) idea you're constraining yourself IMHO to the ideas we're told to support.
Why not just criticize stupid ideas on their own merit instead of putting a tag on them that may have _some_ idea to help?
I don't like "liberalism" either but "conservatism" sure as hell didn't pass child labor laws or help women get the vote. - PenguinShogun, on 03/23/2008, -0/+4yeah because China is such an awesome example of environmental standards (obvious sarcasm)
- hcl40u, on 03/23/2008, -0/+4So none of the pollution from China ends up in America you say?
- tracywood, on 03/24/2008, -0/+4Totally, and I have yet to meet a fellow global warming denier that does NOT also believe that we NEED to get away from polluting fuel sources. I WANT to drive a fully electric car that got all its energy from solar. Pollution kills people. It needs to stop, but we should never achieve this through lies.
- RockMuncher, on 03/23/2008, -0/+4I think you're missing the *human* greenhouse gas emissions part of the quote.
- ultralights, on 03/23/2008, -6/+10i call BS! Australia DIDNT have a 1 in 1000 yr drough, Perths water hasnt become saline, average temps in the past 3 yrs have Fallen! and the water restrictions is a result of the governments inaction in building water infrastructure, the infrastructure that exists was built 60 yrs ago, the population now is 5 times the size it was then.
i know this, because i Live in OZ, and i am currently studying meteorological sciences. - PenguinShogun, on 03/23/2008, -3/+6An inconvenient truth has been proven inaccurate, worldwide this is one of the coldest winters in history.
- blast_flame, on 03/23/2008, -2/+5As long as we rely on the earth's environment we will damage it, it is our nature. Despite what the environmentalists that claim we have to get back in touch with nature say we need to continue our retreat from nature. The only time the earth will not be at all hurt by us is when we've all left it and we're all living it up in the asteroid belt.
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