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- unpolloloco, on 05/05/2008, -4/+35Because there are no viable hydrogen models on the market?
Also, hydrogen has to be produced, whereas natural gas is mined - therefore natural gas requires less energy to get - LiquidIse, on 05/05/2008, -8/+33Wait, a green car that doesn't look like it was designed using uncooked macaroni by Mrs. Smith's kindergarden class?
I for one call shenanigans. - Lephtovermeet, on 05/05/2008, -0/+19Unfortunately, the natural gas market is already in serious short supply. Anyone who's home heating is provided by natural gas in the northeast, has felt the serious price fluctuations in the winter. This is due to lack of supply during prolonged increased demand.
If Natural Gas cars were to become a serious market competitor, we would have to produce synthetic natural gas from another source (petroleum, coal, or biomass). - grobinson, on 05/05/2008, -0/+13$0.63 per gallon until everybody buys one and demands shoots the price up to $4.00+
- mywhitenoise, on 05/05/2008, -1/+12You haven't seen the Civic Hybrid, Accord Hybrid, Camry Hybrid, Escape Hybrid, Highlander Hybrid, or Altima Hybrid?
The only mainstream green cars that have a signature look are the Insight (discontinued), and Prius...and those cars are beautiful. - aaronadms, on 05/05/2008, -0/+10FTA; the Civic has been called the “cleanest internal combustion vehicle certified by the EPA,”
- satanatnmtedu, on 05/05/2008, -2/+11"According to the industry group Natural Gas Vehicles for America (NGVA), the reduction is only 20%, which is about the same GHG reduction you get from corn-based ethanol. That doesn’t sound too impressive, but it’s still a reduction, and clean air could be worth it."
This is NOT cleaner than ambient air in the majority of locations. - wild, on 05/05/2008, -5/+13What about the Air Car? It runs on AIR! Wouldn't that be the cleanest running car in the world?
- nydwarf, on 05/05/2008, -4/+12This is a BAD idea. We have to get away from cars that use anything but renewables.
- Lysogen, on 05/05/2008, -7/+15Nice big step in the right direction.
- inactive, on 05/05/2008, -3/+11this still gets us no closer to losing out dependence on fossil fuels. its nothing but a way to sell more cars during the the "green trend". how about they stop wasting time making gas more efficient and start using the time to get us off of nonrenewable energy sources.
- ibeetle, on 05/05/2008, -3/+10How is that? Natural gas is a fossil fuel. The whole point of electric and hydrogen based vehicles is to get away from fuels that, in the long run do more harm than good.
- zymosis, on 05/05/2008, -0/+7Known as a bicycle?
- bokep, on 05/05/2008, -5/+11My bike is still better.
- fpcyber, on 05/05/2008, -10/+16So how is this the cleanest car on earth when hydrogen is even cleaner?
- mCanada, on 05/05/2008, -1/+7To "make" Hydrogen (well not make but "get") you'd have to get H20 and separate it into 2H + and 0. This will require energy of some sort like unpolloloco said. Were could that energy come from? Maybe nuclear, but more or likely we'd just resort to coal. I think (I'm not totally sure) but the space shuttle runs it's main tanks on the opposite reaction ie. O + 2H = H20 which is a formation reaction. The space shuttle's main byproduct is water (for the main engines.)
- inigomntoya, on 05/05/2008, -0/+6Are you talking in the past or present? Live in the now!
- unpolloloco, on 05/05/2008, -0/+5So......what exactly is used to compress said AIR?
- inactive, on 05/05/2008, -0/+5Erm... cars have been running on CNG in many countries for decades. Conversion kits are (or at least used to be) easily available. However, many fuelling stations have been shut down due to a series of explosions when refuelling; Hilariously it turns out gas is really, REALLY flammable. and completely invisible too, unlike petrol. Doesn't help that the filling valve was usually located IN the (hot) engine bay (and yet the tank is in the boot - go figure.)
Anyways, botton line is using natural gas in vehicles will increase demand and therefore drive up the price of natural gas used for heating and cooking so we'll be even more screwed in the long run. It's a terrible idea when you really think about it. It's still a limited resource - considerably more limited than oil is too. - mywhitenoise, on 05/05/2008, -2/+7He said it's a "nice big step in the right direction", he didn't say it was the ideal direction. It's the best that we (consumers) can do until car companies wake up and realize we want electric based vehicles.
- phenom2k7, on 05/05/2008, -0/+5In China it would be considered fresh air.
- DokGonzo, on 05/05/2008, -0/+4Hey Farva, what's the name of that restaurant you like with all the goofy ***** on the walls and the mozzarella sticks?
- juliehardman, on 05/05/2008, -4/+8You guys need to look at the 2009 Honda FCX Clarity.
http://www.cellounge.com/2008/04/17/2009-honda-fxc ...
This is the cleanest production car on the earth! - Y0tsuya, on 05/05/2008, -2/+6I saw both in person many times, and they look like crap.
- edgardcastro, on 05/05/2008, -0/+4Brazil have a huge number of cars using NGV. Almost 100% of the taxis run on it. There's just a couple of cars that come pre-installed from factory the hability to run on NGV, but you can buy for under 500 usd a kit to convert any car to a NGV powered one. The NGV is very, very cheap, there's a very large gas station base installed already and you also get tax reduction if you have NGV installed in your car. Sweet, huh?
- cam0man, on 05/05/2008, -0/+4why does the article not even mention how many mpg it gets?? They keep using jumbled terminology relating back to gasoline, but don't throw down any actual numbers. Okay, $.63 per gallon of NG, but how many miles per gallon of NG?
The tank holds and equivalent of 8 gallons of gasoline, are they referring to volume or travelling distance? You can travel 180-220 miles on one tank that holds the equivalent of 8 gallons of gasoline, what does that even mean???
What a terribly written article. Eilther put it all in terms of gaslone equivs or all in terms of NG. Mixing units just makes this way to confusing for me to even decide if this is a fuel efficient vehicle... - tnoy, on 05/05/2008, -0/+4There is more to a car being "clean" than what comes out of the tailpipe. You have to take into account the production of the car, production of the fuel, getting the fuel to where you put the fuel in your car, the car's use of the fuel, the lifespan of the car, and the recyclability of the car when you get rid of it.
I'm not saying this meets the criteria, but its something you need to look at.
One example, a electric car charged with solar is cleaner than an electric car charged by coal-fire plants. Same car, but one is "cleaner" than the other. - axiomflash, on 05/05/2008, -2/+6Saying this is 'the cleanest car' ignores everything about:
- where the natural gas comes from
- how the car is manufactured
- what happens to the car in 10 years when we have a electric/hydrogen/ethanol energy economy.
- etc - inactive, on 05/05/2008, -4/+7you had me up till Insight. That was an ugly car.
- ExRe, on 05/05/2008, -0/+3Something has to make the energy used to compress that air. In most cases, that would be coal.
- rbond, on 05/05/2008, -2/+5I swear to God I will pistol whip the next person who says shenanigans
- vwvan, on 05/05/2008, -1/+4CH4 + 2 O2 = 2 H2O + CO2
- davidrools, on 05/05/2008, -0/+3The hydrogen produced at the few hydrogen fueling stations in the world today mostly comes from steam reformed natural gas, which uses water and emits CO and CO2.
- KSUdesigner, on 05/05/2008, -0/+3If it's not the right direction, it's the wrong direction. We need to get rid of our dependence on limited resources instead of destroying the planet we live on. I'm no global warming alarmist, but you can't deny the fact that we are having some sort of impact on the Earth, especially considering the human population. These oil companies could easily take the massive profits they are making and invest major funding into implementing the best alternative energy source. They ONLY reason they haven't switched us over to another fuel source is because they know that when oil supplies are low (or at least when the public thinks supplies are low) they will make massive profits, much more than they are currently. These companies know we want alternative energy vehicles, and many have began introducing them. The problem is that they cost thousands more than a gasoline vehicle, and your average Joe is going to buy the cheaper model. If they really wanted to switch the nation to better vehicles they could easily do it by pricing these cars lower than their gasoline equivalents. But they won't, because demand is not high due to the pricing structure.
What we really need, and this is probably the only time I'd call for government action, is a government mandate for auto makers to price alternative energy vehicles at a lower price point than gasoline vehicles. - cam0man, on 05/05/2008, -0/+3that's a great idea until you realize how much energy it takes to compress the air and also the limitations of carrying around giant cylinders of compressed air. This doesn't even touch on the fact that if you get into a car accident you basically explode because of the giant compressed air bomb strapped to your car.
- KSUdesigner, on 05/05/2008, -1/+4Now or later, it has to happen. It will be MUCH more difficult and costly to do when we are actually running out of natural resources. I don't know about you, but I'd rather leave my future descendants with a better planet to live on than a worse one.
- ayeroxor, on 05/05/2008, -1/+4"Natural gas is a fossil fuel."
Not only that, but is is primarily derived from oil! Let's check the list:
* Hydrogen is primarily derived from oil.
* Natural gas is primarily derived from oil.
* Electricity for charging electric cars is primarily derived from oil.
OPEN YOUR EYES! ALL of these are red herrings in the search for non-oil-based vehicle fuel. The auto and fuel manufacturers know damn well where these things come from, so ask yourself who's kidding whom when they're marketed as a "clean alternative." - Stratochief66, on 05/05/2008, -0/+2More should be done to convert garbage dump waste gas into natural gas. It has the potential to be a cost effective way to both provide renewable fuel and decrease the emission of said waste gas into the atmosphere. We are going to continue producing waste, so why not turn some of our waste into fuel?
- gotrootdude, on 05/06/2008, -0/+2A fossil fuel which can be created from sewage and methane digesters. The compost which is produced can be further burned to sequester carbon or used as fertilizer for plant growth.
- Hangingtree, on 11/04/2008, -0/+2One of those NG fiilling stations in Utah is right across the street from my apartment, I talked to a guy who said he could go from SLC to Vegas on about 13 bucks of natural gas, and he was driving a pickup truck.
- cam0man, on 05/06/2008, -0/+2that's my problem.....does getting the equivalent of 36mpg mean you can travel 36 miles per gallon of CNG, or does it mean that someone getting 36mpg in a car spends X amount per mile and a CNG driver also pays X per mile. Just say how far you can go on 1 gallon/$.63 of CNG!!!
- Aerandir, on 05/06/2008, -0/+2You Failed. It's OMNOMNOMNOM.
But yeah, old memes are old and not funny anymore. - mlavergn, on 05/05/2008, -0/+2It's that other lessor byproduct of shuttle exhaust, vaporized hydrochloric acid, that makes it so much fun. Nothing like a little WWI chemical warfare nostalgia to make a guy's lungs well up with tears.
- clickx, on 05/05/2008, -0/+2Well I don't know if I want three tanks compressed to 6000 psi under my ass.
- rtz549, on 05/05/2008, -0/+2Price is .90 cents/gal in OKC: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CngVehicles
- dagamer34, on 05/05/2008, -0/+2It's the number of CO2 molecules produced in each reaction that matters. Geez, did you never take chemistry?
- 1RandomNickname, on 05/05/2008, -0/+2Zero emission vehicles are what we should be focusing on and we already have the technology to build them. Anything else is a busload of environmental fail. Use your natural gas to produce hydrogen.
- BryanJK, on 05/07/2008, -0/+2no no no longbow, I mean nuclear power plants to compress air at home, driving with one would be a bit dangerous
but then again, I'd think batteries would be a better way considering we would need some very high pressure air tanks - ColonelJessup, on 05/05/2008, -1/+3Natural gas is very clean burning. Not propoganda.
- tnoy, on 05/05/2008, -1/+3Some people dont like the look of the Prius because, you know, people can have an opinion that differs from someone else.
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