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Civic Outsells F-150 for First Time Ever

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  • DeathWish808, on 06/13/2008, -4/+85Yeah, who didn't see that coming with gas the way it's been going....
    • KibibyteBrain, on 06/14/2008, -1/+10And it could be a pretty sad sign. Sure some people buy trucks for pretty selfish reasons, but lots of people buy them because of legitimate needs. There number of small or self employed workers who are getting killed by oil prices right now must be staggering. The end result will be less small independent contractors in construction and other such areas, and thereby worse customer service/wait times for consumers.
      • cyberdork, on 06/14/2008, -4/+19The problem is that US consumers don't except smaller engines.
        I recently heard that Kevin Rose bought an Audi S3 with a 3.2 liter engine... 3.2liter??? Audi doesn't even offer such a big engine HERE IN GERMANY! Because even here were the normal Audi driver is cruising over the Autobahn at 130mph such an engine wouldn't make much sense in such a small car.
        So I never understood why Americans think they need those gigantic inefficient engines.
        • Inspired99, on 06/14/2008, -6/+8Compensation.
        • antonio97b, on 06/14/2008, -3/+4Because it's fun to some people. I like fast cars and motorcycles and I know not everyone share the same interest.
        • eggsovereasy, on 06/14/2008, -1/+10The A4 has the 3.2L as an option and the S4 comes with a 4.2L V8 according to the German Audi site, so I guess the question is why do Germans think they need those gigantic inefficient engines?
        • MrCrumbles, on 06/14/2008, -0/+4Is 3.2 liters big? The Pontiac G8 has 6 liters, which is quite huge. It's made in Australia.
      • PointAndClick, on 06/14/2008, -0/+3Even 6 liters isn't huge. It's large by todays standards, but in the past it would've been pretty normal.

        I'd like to see a 3.2L *efficiently* move a truck. My dad works for himself, construction, and without his truck he wouldn't get a whole lot done. The 4.6L V8 in it is actually too small and gets worse mileage than a larger engine. Even if you can get the same power out of a smaller engine, the power band is too high and you don't have the torque.
    • protogenxl, on 06/14/2008, -0/+7And they would sell even more if there was infrastructure to support the Civic GX
    • roosterjm2k2, on 06/14/2008, -0/+2I love mine.... I traded in a 2005 Chevy Colorado that I was miraculously (and due to buying it at invoice with a company plan) right side up on...

      Saving around $160 a month in gas now... what was 4 $70 fills a month is now 3 $40 fills a month ... not to mention there is no other car out there that you can get so many features in for the price... 4-door Ex (i dont like leather, so no LX for me) with satellite nav and XM for ~$21,000 ...
      • YoctoYotta, on 06/14/2008, -1/+1Come on down to Rooster Jim Honda today ! SAVE BIG
      • nicktripp, on 06/15/2008, -0/+1LX is a step below the EX trim level, and does not designated a leather interior. Leather is only an option on EX Honda models and those models are designated as EX-L. Honda's trim levels go DX, LX, EX, EX-L with DX being the level with the fewest options and EX-L being the level with the most.

        Just sayin.
    • Jhiaxuz, on 06/14/2008, -0/+4At this end of the Province of Nova Scotia, most of the fishermen buy the latest and greatest trucks to merely show their status. They rarely use the cab with the exception to place empty Tim Horton cups.
    • 1337chic, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1Sad thing is, if most Americans HAD seen this coming small cars would have started selling more years ago.
  • maddvibe, on 06/13/2008, -2/+51The tides are definitely changing. Nothing changes people's habits faster than the ol pocketbook. It's already painful enough filling up my small car, I can't image having to fill up a truck all the time.
    • dudefaceguyman, on 06/14/2008, -0/+2Costs my friend a $150 to fill up his (albit older) F-150. It's crazy, makes me love my little ugly 93 subaru legacy that gets up to 30mpg. :)

      • LoudLoudNoise, on 06/14/2008, -0/+2The hell? What does he have, 45 gallon capacity?

        I have an F-150 and it costs me around $80 to fill up each time, regular unleaded. My truck gets 22 gallons.


        I hate driving.
        • phufufoo, on 06/14/2008, -0/+022gallon tank at 5 dollars is 110dollars. My friend has to put 87 in his truck or it will knock the engine. Over a bill every time.
        • FireStrife, on 06/14/2008, -0/+2Regular Unleaded is 87 if i recall, that's the lowest you can go anyways.
  • casspa, on 06/13/2008, -2/+74I think the most surprising thing is that this hasn't happened before
    • shawnanigans, on 06/14/2008, -0/+14Rurul America buys trucks like I buy underwear. Once every few years.
    • fugazied, on 06/14/2008, -1/+8Thank artificially low fuel prices in the US over the last decade for it. Welcome to the rest of the world!
      • cyberdork, on 06/14/2008, -6/+3Not true. Gas prices are very similar all around the world. The difference is that most countries have taxes on gas and the US not.
    • mirunit, on 06/14/2008, -1/+2Well, the truth is a Civic carries people from point A to B - a F150 can do more. If you want to landscape your yard, buy a full size grill / tv etc you cannot do it with a smaller car. Granted I detest driving a truck, I do see its purpose.
      • bownasterm, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1If one can afford the gas than why does it matter LOL.
      • pagemap, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1Thats why I think it's a good idea to just rent a truck for the day if you need to haul stuff around, and drive a more practical car most of the time. When you only need the capabilities of a truck 5% of the time, it doesn't make economic sense to be driving a truck.

        At Home Depot you can rent a truck for $19.00 for 75 minutes.
  • digits12, on 06/13/2008, -31/+34Beautiful Car
    • ho0ber, on 06/14/2008, -8/+25What? Current civics are ugly as balls in my opinion. The lines are just all wrong. The angle of the windshield is way too close to the angle of the hood. The back-end looks too much like the front-end unless you have a spoiler, and I hate spoilers.

      Now, that aside, I'd still recommend any civic to everyone. They're simply brilliant cars.
      • CheatRZ, on 06/14/2008, -2/+5The windshield angle has always bothered me too.. very mini-van like.
        • KJSatz, on 06/14/2008, -1/+1I would call it more "jet fighter" like. And the back end looks weird on the coupe model...on the sedan it is the "flatter" style.
    • sh4rkb1t3, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1LOL
    • ixelr8, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1Too bad that the picture shown was only the concept Si from a few years ago, looks nothing like the production model.
      • serif69, on 06/15/2008, -0/+1Actually it looks exactly like the production model, save for the black hood and tinted headlights. The wheels, fog lights, and body kit are available as accessories.
  • relic180, on 06/13/2008, -4/+19Funny, I just recommended to my friend a couple days ago who wants to buy a Tacoma that he should buy a civic instead.
    • mustang460, on 06/14/2008, -1/+8most people who buy trucks, like suv's don't need one a civic, or whichever small car they prefer would be much better investment

      if he needs to haul loads more often than renting a Uhaul is viable, or needs a 4wd vehicle a small car won't cut it
      if he doesn't fall in those categories buying a truck isn't really worth it
      • NihilFist, on 06/14/2008, -1/+33I'd bet money on the fact than 50% (or more) of the people who own trucks in America haul exactly nothing.
        • kamilmarkowicz, on 06/14/2008, -1/+11Except their fat asses :|
        • Light11, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1i have a small chevy s10. v4 gets not too bad mileage. it does everything a regular truck can do except probably haul huge loads and it drives like a car. mini-trucks are the way to go.
      • leeg, on 06/14/2008, -1/+14If I buy a Civic how will I compensate for my small penis?

        /sarcasm
        • alf86, on 06/14/2008, -1/+3Just embrace the fact that you have a small penis and buy a Prius.
      • dvicklund, on 06/14/2008, -0/+5I'd like to point out that buying a car in any case is NOT an investment. An investment is something that you buy and sell for a profit. No matter what car you buy, you will not sell it for a gain. Cars break down, they crash, they have high maintenance costs... Cars are by definition a consumer product. They're like big, expensive iPods that move. They're just going to be obsolete in a year.
        • relic180, on 06/14/2008, -0/+2You can leverage your car against better terms on money you borrow for other things, i.e. business loan. In that sense, it can be an investment.
        • ZeroIce, on 06/14/2008, -0/+2Well, actually, the Smart Car is selling for more used than it is new. Due to the high demand. Freakonomics?
    • ColorBlind, on 06/14/2008, -1/+1aw
  • chublin, on 06/14/2008, -5/+24truly shocking news... i wonder what the cause might be.
    • leethemanpowell, on 06/14/2008, -14/+3Four dollars a gallon might be the culprit.
    • 1randomguyO8, on 06/14/2008, -5/+1Well isn't it bad from a US standpoint to be spending thousands of dollars each on important japanese cars rather then cars built in the US?
      • WiredLain, on 06/14/2008, -0/+12Thats why Honda and Toyota have auto plants located right here in the U.S.
        • 1randomguyO8, on 06/14/2008, -1/+1Well I think thier profit margin is around 10% so yeah.. doesn't bother me whatever. I prefer japanese cars over US cars(I got nissan and playing on getting a corolla) unless ofcourse its a dodge viper.
      • ccheath, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1The Japanese brands are important, we all know that, but what's more important is that while they've been imported over the years, that was very costly, so they decided to make factories here in the US. From memory all the Hondas and Toyotas are built (assembled) in the US. Now if we could only get their (japanese brands) parts plants in the US there would be plenty of manufacturing jobs. Bu that's probably not going to happen.

        Another thing to remember, is that the auto industry is global now. There are still cars that are imported (lots of german cars), but GM, Toyota, Ford, Honda, ... these are all global auto manufacturers. They originated in either the US or Japan, but are truly global now with parts plants, assembly plants, and warehouses all over the map.
  • thewaythingswas, on 06/14/2008, -8/+15The flip side, of course, is the question of production. These kind of shifts mean that a lot of people are going to be out of a job very soon which is, well, pretty awful. Not that I would prefer people to drive trucks as opposed to civics, I would prefer that business leaders actually provide leadership so working people who rely on the wage to live don't get screwed by the poor decisions of corporations.
    • Mardala, on 06/14/2008, -2/+19A lot of Toyotas/Lexus are built in the US, fyi. Honda, not so sure. Its the US auto industries fault. They could well have seen this coming years ago.
      • york2600, on 06/14/2008, -0/+6This could be totally incorrect, but in the past I had a Civic (mid 90s) that was built in Canada and an Accord (more recently) that was built in the south somewhere.
      • Sidzilla, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1The Japanese auto makers build factories in the US and make them purchase the parts from Japan. That way they price the parts so the manufacturing plant breaks even or loses a little money,thus paying little or no taxes, and the part companies in Japan make a ton of profit which don't get taxed in the US. It's a scam to fool people who prefer to buy American made products.
    • thebellmaster1x, on 06/14/2008, -3/+30Well, if US car companies made cars as well as Honda, I'd have no problem buying domestic cars.
      But they don't. So, you know, my hands are tied here.
    • x252, on 06/14/2008, -4/+5My 1991 Chevy S10 has 301,990 miles on it.


      a car's longevity is all about preventive maintenance.
      • TheGuruStud, on 06/14/2008, -4/+5No, for a domestic it's luck, ask anyone. :)
      • Cowwan, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1S-10s don't count, they are godly as far as domestic cars go. I have a '94 s-10 that runs like It is straight from the factory.
    • billmania, on 06/14/2008, -0/+7That's true, but the people building f150's can find other jobs,
      the Civic is still made in Ohio.
      • roosterjm2k2, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1Not all of them. Mine (bought about a month ago) has stickers on it saying its like 80/20 CA/JP
      • FireStrife, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1Nope the current gen civics are made in Alliston, Canada. some sedans are made in Japan but thats rare.
    • wubblie, on 06/14/2008, -0/+3The problem is that if the CEO said "We are going to sell more small cars from now on. It will cause us to lose money for a few years, but it will make us a more competitive company in the long run"- the stock would tank and the company's board would fire him. The stockholders are interested in making more money NOW, they only want good news. Stockholders outlook: "Profit today, and when the company tanks in the future, I will have already sold the stock."
    • diggJMiller, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1This is a time for the D3 to act or go under. This is a hope for some of the workers if they can pull this off in time. Turning truck plants over to car plants. http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/2008 ...
    • Baskins, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1Honda actually employs more people manufacturing cars in the US than they do in Japan, and that's not including Canada:
      http://world.honda.com/investors/annualreport/2007 ...
      • jo21, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1they need more people, like or not japanese people are more intelligent and efficient.
    • mrraven200, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1Because they can't of course make small cars instead of trucks. I'm a hard core lefty almost socialist and even *I* understand that much about supply and demand.
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  • louiebaur, on 06/14/2008, -1/+45I have a F-150 for sale I cant give that thing away
    • Cglass, on 06/14/2008, -1/+4Sell it to someone in South America, very hot down there, or so I read
      • ModernChem, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1minus the cost of sale for shipping
        • Cglass, on 06/15/2008, -0/+1Apparently it's still a considerable profit like 50% more than you'd get here, a couple thousand to ship it but a profit of $10,000+ MORE than what you'd get here.
    • jbundy, on 06/14/2008, -1/+1Where, how much, what year, mileage, status, etc?
    • jonG121, on 06/14/2008, -3/+1Hello, I am happy to come accross this your item during my internet search .I will be very glad if you can sell this item for me.due to the fact that i wanna buy it for my Boss who is on an Educational Research to west africa.i will like to know if this item is in good condition ?.Due to the urgent need of this i will like to inform you that i will make the payment through our company Via PayTrust Account(www.paytrust.com). moreso, send me your full name and address including your phone number where the money will be delivered to by PayTrust delivery agent so that i can make the payment as soon as possible ok. Can you please consider me with $10,000USD for this item including the shipping cost?? PLEASE GET BACK TO ME WITH YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS OR you can also contact me directly. I wait to read from you as soon as possible. Thanks and best regards.
      • Smulse, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1Let me guess, jonG121 is from Nigeria?
  • zfolwick, on 06/14/2008, -2/+18just sold my truck.
  • elevatedystopia, on 06/14/2008, -6/+0well isn't this just nickity nack
  • SilentRamble42, on 06/14/2008, -3/+22I'm about to swap my truck for an '02 Civic. Weird.
    • sd123, on 06/14/2008, -0/+3Good choice. I'm currently getting about 36 mpg in my '02 civic.
    • mrraven200, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1If by weird you mean what everyone else is doing, which is a strange definition of weird indeed...
  • bensone1, on 06/14/2008, -6/+13its funny... a couple of days ago i was made fun of for driving a civic seeing that a lot of women drive it. nothing more manly than saving some cash on gas!
    • mike17032, on 06/14/2008, -17/+3No they were right, its a females car.
      • york2600, on 06/14/2008, -3/+8That would be a Jetta you were thinking about actually
        • Cpt0bvius, on 06/14/2008, -2/+2Actually, you are both wrong, a Saturn is a female's car.
        • dudefaceguyman, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1Heh that made me laugh. I know two woman right now that drive Jettas. Hehe
        • leeg, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1VW Beetle FTW!
    • phufufoo, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1Nah its because stupid whores want to see you waste money on stupid things. Like on them. That is the only reason girls like guys with flashy cars. Not all of em of course, but a good portion of them. They need to see that excess.
      • Light11, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1no its not its because if you have a real nice car you probably have a lot of extra money which means you will take them out and buy them things all the time.
  • FATEorFORTUNE, on 06/14/2008, -9/+28civic owners unite! we've been misunderstood for years!
    • Phucked, on 06/14/2008, -1/+3Damm Skippy
    • Coreal07, on 06/14/2008, -6/+1Lame.
    • dudefaceguyman, on 06/14/2008, -0/+18It's the douchebags that put on fart bomb mufflers and spinners that make civic owners look bad..
    • ElectricKetchup, on 06/14/2008, -1/+1I don't understand... How have we been misunderstood?
      • CheatRZ, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1See the post above you for why we've been misunderstood =P
    • xGuerrillaRadio, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1I've had my '07 Si for about 6 months now. I average 29 mpg and it yesterday it cost just over $40 to fill up. Not amazing compared to cars like the Prius, but I'd much rather have a car I love with above average mileage than a car I only sort of like for the best gas mileage.

      A tip for Si owners- the manual says you should put 92 octane fuel in, but I've been filling up with 90 with absolutely no problems or engine-knocking since I've had the car.
      • hangman16, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1pretty much any car that recommends premium will do fine with regular. The engine has knock sensors that change different engine characteristics to compensate. You just lose a little power. Like in the Acura TL I believe you lose about 12 horsepower with premium vs. regular.
    • sh4rkb1t3, on 06/14/2008, -0/+2How could you have been misunderstood when there is 3 of you in any parking lot at any time?
  • Ryan2845, on 06/14/2008, -2/+150All I ask is that you new civic owners please don't spend all that saved gas money on a giant wing for the back, or neon lights.
    • robocop1, on 06/14/2008, -1/+32You mean like this? http://media3.guzer.com/pictures/cardboard_spoiler ...
    • Mardala, on 06/14/2008, -3/+12The funny thing is the Civic does not get that good of gas mileage as one might think, its like 26/34, which isn't bad , but for a small car its average.
      • globalnomad, on 06/14/2008, -0/+2My 14 year old Volvo gets 30 on the highway.
        Or about 8 l / 100Km
      • york2600, on 06/14/2008, -0/+2That's really not off that much compared to other cars in the same class. Corolla is 28/37 for the 5 speed. Obviously a little bet, but not by too much.
      • yenik, on 06/14/2008, -4/+2I just bought a new black Pontiac G5, and bringing it back from Chicago (all interstate) I got 37MPG on my first tank. In city driving my last tank was 27MPG. It's rated at 25/35 it's a stick and I don't really try to get good mileage, I drive it fast/peppy. I love that car.
      • UrsaMare, on 06/14/2008, -2/+0My 2001 Civic 5-speed gets an average of 37 mpg with mixed city/highway driving. I just came back from a 400+ mile road trip (mostly highway) and got 42 mpg.
      • mrraven200, on 06/14/2008, -1/+1You must drive it really hard my 93 Civic DX that needs a ring job gets 32 city and I would guess 38 highway (haven't had it out for a long trip yet).
      • sathishcj, on 06/15/2008, -1/+1I actually managed to get more than 36 for a pretty mixed driving.
        I tend to get into a hypermiling mentality with the civic. I know it can't accelerate fast, so I don't bother trying.
    • mike17032, on 06/14/2008, -12/+5No matter what you do to it, its still just a Civic.
    • anchorman, on 06/14/2008, -1/+1Better to put the neon lights on the back and the wings on the sides... so your car can fly and planes will see you.
  • thebellmaster1x, on 06/14/2008, -6/+32Just got a Civic recently. Love it. One of my favorite things in the world. Gets 30-some miles per gallon easily. Plus it's a bit of a zippy little thing, so it's got a bit of kick to it, but it keeps tight steering and smooth braking in the mix.
    I have no qualms about recommending a Civic to any Digger.

    Also, please. You don't actually need a carbon-fiber hood. Don't be ridiculous.
    • mike17032, on 06/14/2008, -17/+12If a Civic is "zippy" to you, then you have very low standards for zip.

      Unless its a Type R.
      • KJSatz, on 06/14/2008, -0/+2Or and Si.

        But it does have some pep, only if you ask for it.
    • thebellmaster1x, on 06/14/2008, -0/+19Well, considering that I used to have a Cavalier that moved (and braked, mind you) like it was driving underwater, in all fairness, I probably do have low zip standards.
    • graemee, on 06/14/2008, -0/+5LOL I just moved from a 97 cav to a 2006 Civic. I never had to worry about getting a speeding ticket in the Cav. You knew you were going fast. The Civic doesn't feel any different or sound much different @ 110 Kph then 150 Kph and it doesn't take much to get it up to 150. I have to really watch the speedometer on it. BTW in Canada the 2006 is listed @ 50 MPG Highway 36 MPG city and gets both.
    • MrCoke, on 06/14/2008, -0/+2I recommend a carbon fiber hood to anyone, just get it painted. saves weight and therefore millage.
      • Attol, on 06/14/2008, -1/+1Don't forget the giant exhaust pipe and flame/tribal stickers.
      • gooberguy, on 06/14/2008, -1/+2...paint a carbon fiber hood? other than that you were spot on
      • Virgule, on 06/15/2008, -0/+1also, lighter nose translate in more even tire wear on all 4 corners. FF cars eat front tires as they do all the work.
  • spavacer, on 06/14/2008, -14/+7Well I will always have a truck. I am a big guy at 6'6'' and 275 pounds and I just can't feel comfortable in smaller cars. Also I use the bed almost everyday. Its a useful tool. We seriously need to deal with OPEC and also start drilling off the coast to fix the gas problem.
    • snlildude87, on 06/14/2008, -3/+12Drilling off the coast is not going to 'fix' the problem. We need to start developing and perfecting alternative fuels. Petroleum is a non-renewable resource, so like it or not, we're going to run out.
      • nastronomical, on 06/14/2008, -14/+4Dumb ignorant liberal *****. You are the prime example of a lib douche who reads something in a blog and think its the gospel...wake up!
        • chrillen, on 06/14/2008, -0/+4Wait, so you've found a way to make sure that the worlds oil reserves don't run out?
        • 1randomguyO8, on 06/14/2008, -1/+4Stupid redneck.
        • honeybutter, on 06/14/2008, -1/+3Mr. Non-liberal piece of *****, your days are numbered. Hold on to your bible and pray real hard. Now there is a prime example of something some guy ***** about that douches believe to be gospel.
          You're the one in need of waking up. Stop being a dinosaur. Thanks.

          -Liberal Douche
      • 4thEdition, on 06/14/2008, -3/+3I agree that alternative fuels are needed, but right now, it would be better that we drill off our coast rather than let the Chinese do it. They are drilling 50 miles off Florida right now and we're sitting here throwing money at OPEC.
        • digghasnoethics, on 06/14/2008, -1/+1No they are not, that was Cheney lying again - look it up
      • DarkShroud, on 06/14/2008, -1/+1Drilling off the cost and in Alaska would drive down the price of oil now. We also need to stop using corn in fuel as it's a enegy negative.

        I'm for electric cars. The majority of Americans could drive one for daily use just fine. And if it's powerered by clean Nuclear power it's perfect for the environment. We also need to finish converting the rest of the Coal Power plants to the new scrubers. With the new scrubers coal is clean burning. You don't hear liberals bringing that up do you.

      • chubbybunny, on 06/14/2008, -1/+3Could someone explain to me why these people are being dugg down? What's so wrong with easing gas prices on people now while developing the new technologies?

        I like the idea of cleaner energy as much as the next guy, but ***** all of you people that think we need to be punished for using gas until those new technologies are economically feasible.
        • DarkShroud, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1Simple, you don't agree with them so you're wrong and need to stop talking. That's why some of us moderates call them Liberal .

          I'm personally waiting for the Chevy Volt. I want a car that I don't have to put any fuel into. I have to do a lot of high speed driving and the Japanese hybreds get worse gas millage than normal cars when you can't use the electric engines. Out here in Chicago 60mph is the minimum you drive on the express/toll/free ways.
      • Handonam, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1I think we really need a new source of fuel that requires minimal change to the engines we already have. The vast majority aren't ready to switch engine types yet.

        sigh
    • mike17032, on 06/14/2008, -2/+4I agree, a Civic is just plain not comfortable for big guys.
    • synik, on 06/14/2008, -6/+11how strange. People who are 6'6" in other countries have no trouble fitting into smaller cars. There must be something wrong with you.
    • rif42, on 06/14/2008, -2/+1All this self importance and comfort is what is killing US. We need to get serious and send overweight people on the drill until they have reduced to healthy weight, are back in physical shape and have learned to use the bicycle instead of the gas guzzler.
    • NihilFist, on 06/14/2008, -1/+4You need to stop making ridiculously large engine that are incredibly underpowered for their size, and develop some new ones.

      I still don't get how a 4.6L Ford engine can only produce 292HP. My neighbor drives a Volkswagen *something* with a 2.5L engine that delivers close to 250HP. And it runs on diesel.
      • bat-21, on 06/14/2008, -0/+5You just answered your own question. Diesel engines are more powerful and efficient than gas ones.
        • NihilFist, on 06/14/2008, -1/+2Diesel engines are not as powerful as petrol engines. Never. They are more efficient though. But I was only talking about power output, not fuel efficiency.
        • CeeJayDK, on 06/14/2008, -0/+2@ Nihilfist : Diesel engines are ALSO more powerful than petrol engines.
          They produce way more torque.
    • lolinyerface, on 06/14/2008, -1/+4Sedans have more leg room then trucks. lol@your silly man need to have a big truck, rar.
      http://ask.cars.com/2007/06/most_legroom.html
  • drjenk, on 06/14/2008, -4/+7The thing is driving more fuel efficient vehicles is not the solution, they still burn GAS.
    I bought a VW diesel 2 years ago because of gas prices then, and have been getting 40mpg (measured) consistently. And I can burn biodeisel instead of gas, thus not spending any money towards the Saudis.
    • x252, on 06/14/2008, -8/+2While I don't agree totally with your tree hugging philosophy, i do agree with your ideology of not sending anymore money to the Saudis.

      Dugg.
    • jonnyfatman, on 06/14/2008, -5/+2I think you mean PETROL, not gas. ;)
      Saying 'gas' just confuses matters, especially when you can run a car on natural gas!
      • york2600, on 06/14/2008, -0/+6You're not going to confuse anyone from the US if you say gas. You will confuse plenty if you say petrol as no one ever uses that term.
        • fugazied, on 06/14/2008, -0/+4Gas (gasoline) = petrol (petroleum), natural gas = methane/butane/ethane/propane. The term gas does confuse people outside the US (ie. the rest of the world) somewhat.
        • Light11, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1petrol to me sounds like the oil part of gas.. the raw part. gas sounds like the refined stuff you put in your car. natural gas is straight forward
    • 76Cents, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1we get most of our oil from canada, mexico and venezuela
    • clickwir, on 06/14/2008, -3/+2Yea, but it's a VolksWagon. how much more gay can you be to drive one? Those are the most ***** cars on the road.
      • freakygeeky, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1Let me guess - You're one of those guys that needs to pack 350 cubic inches under the hood to compensate for the two cubic inches in your pants, right?
    • crzymook, on 06/14/2008, -0/+2Okay, so you *can* burn biodiesel, but does this mean that you actually *do* take the time to find it and use it...or do you just fill up with regular diesel which still sends money to the Saudis and pollutes the environment, and then comment on digg acting holier than thou? Had to ask, the wording was a bit too convenient...

      Props if you do follow through with it, but know that for many people in many parts of the country this is simply not an option yet. I delight at the decline of the F-150, as it's a step forward even if it isn't reaching the goal.
    • Mard, on 06/14/2008, -1/+2You don't send any money to the Saudis? How do you think that biodiesel gets to your pump?
  • LightSpeed4, on 06/14/2008, -22/+5f-150 is still the best selling vehicle, stupid treehuggers thinking this ***** is true

    Go ford
    • praisethelard, on 06/14/2008, -1/+8Do you really have a vested interest in the F-150 outselling the Civic, or are you simply sticking out your tongue at a group you don't like?

      Rhetorical question, I know.
    • Adgeman, on 06/14/2008, -1/+5Go where? Bankruptcy court? Putting aside any ecologicial argument they really need to get some new designers, the stuff they've been sending out recently is shocking - the Focus, the Flex are just two horrific looking vehicles.

      By the way; what evidence do you have to support your claim? I'd wager anyone with sense can understand how such a huge, inefficient vehicle as the F150 is losing purchases from those who don't really need a truck.
  • Sagags, on 06/14/2008, -8/+10I just got a 2008 Civic SI also,
  • LightSpeed4, on 06/14/2008, -21/+3civics are ***** stupid, who the ***** wants an digital display for speedometer
    • rolf, on 06/14/2008, -1/+7You get used to it, real quick.
    • york2600, on 06/14/2008, -3/+5People that want to actually know what their speed is instead of a ballpark estimate. Needle gauges are horribly inaccurate.
    • TheGuruStud, on 06/14/2008, -0/+8Don't feed the troll. His precious POS ford has been using digital displays for about a decade in their luxury cars.
      Those are the only fords that don't break down. It's quite amazing.
    • ixelr8, on 06/14/2008, -1/+2I do. Digital displays are better than conventional types.
  • x252, on 06/14/2008, -17/+6ITT:

    Americans killing the US economy even more by buying import cars.

    Go buy a Cobalt or Focus if you're worried about gas prices.
    • praisethelard, on 06/14/2008, -1/+16I remember reading an article in Car and Driver or some such magazine a few years ago that stated "import" cars can be more domestic than "domestic" cars, as companies like Honda and Toyota have more factories here and use more American parts compared to Chevy and Ford. The conclusion was that they were import only in terms of where the company started.
      • 1randomguyO8, on 06/14/2008, -2/+1Yeah but all the profits will go to Japan. I dont really have a problem with that since all profits from all the groceries, the dvd's, music,porn etc we buy in Australia just goes straight to the US.
    • bparkey, on 06/14/2008, -0/+5I'm not sure about the Civic, but my Subaru was built in Indiana. Manufacturing of the Focus just recently moved back to the US so that other vehicles could be manufactured in the Mexican plant they were formerly built in.

      Foreign companies are at the very least just as likely, if not more likely to build their cars in the US. I would rather support the American worker, than the the heads of the American car companies. It is plain to see that their business model is a failure.
    • Mohdoo, on 06/14/2008, -1/+8Yeah, the Cobalt and the Focus are REALLY reliable cars. Ha. Ha. Ha. I'll never buy a POS American car.
  • TheWorm, on 06/14/2008, -3/+20You mean the civic hasn't been outselling the F-150 in the past? Maybe it's because I live in an urban setting but Civics are by far one of the most popular cars on the road. I stopped seeing as many big trucks a couple years ago when gas first started to skyrocket.

    Anyone else notice that it's usually women who are driving those big ass trucks? They can usually be found in the grocery store parking lot failing miserably at parking the things. I guess they really needed something that big to get around town.
    • tnoy, on 06/14/2008, -1/+2The F-150 has been the top selling car for around 15 years.
    • zyryx, on 06/14/2008, -1/+10here in texass the retard texans don't think they're a man unless they're driving a big ass truck.
      • eggsovereasy, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1I live in Nashville, and amongst people that live in the city it's not so bad with the trucks, but as soon as you get out of the county it's the same way here.
      • ronintetsuro, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1I'm in the DFW Metroplex and without fail, the extended cab trucks are the ones driving fast and hard, cutting people off, and double parking in a compact car spot, with the ass end sticking out.

        Some people are just going to be assholes until the day they die, regardless of market trends.
        • bownasterm, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1I live in Plano and the soccer moms have to use their big ass chevy suburbans to transport bottles of water and juice for the soccer team. Its sickening.
    • sh4rkb1t3, on 06/14/2008, -2/+1Haven't noticed anything about women driving F-150's, but I sure have noticed a lot of totaled Civics lately...
      • kcasper, on 06/15/2008, -0/+1Large vehicles get into accidents more often than small vehicles. Although you are more likely to survive in a large vehicle. So which would you prefer, a low risk of having an accident, or a slightly increased chance of surviving the accident you get into?
        • sh4rkb1t3, on 06/16/2008, -0/+1People who drive bigger cars live longer on average. I'd rather live longer.
  • MScrip, on 06/14/2008, -5/+3Honda Civic - 36 MPG highway! Nice!

    Does it have keyless ignition yet? I'm sick of keys! The lowly Nissan Versa has keyless ignition. Come on Honda!
    • DarkShroud, on 06/14/2008, -1/+2That's estimated not actual rate. Take it over 60mph for longer periods and you'll find you get a lot less than 36mpg.
      • MScrip, on 06/14/2008, -0/+4It's still pretty good. It's almost double the MPG of the F-150.
      • ThirdLap, on 06/14/2008, -0/+2'07 Civic EX owner here. I've kept track of the fuel economy of every tank since the day I drove it off the lot, and the average at 30k miles hovers right around 35 mpg. Highest I've recorded was 40 mpg on the way back from San Diego last week.

        (70/30 Hwy/City, regular a/c usage, synthetic oil, basic fuel saving techniques, 60-70mph on the highway)
      • dsmx, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1In the UK I can buy a VW lupo diesel and that will manage 75mpg, the prius manages a pitiful 45mpg. Still not seeing why a hybrid is worth having.
        • CheatRZ, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1As an American that loves the show Top Gear, I've noticed they've shown a lot of sedans that are diesel powered that are roaming around Europe, even the Ford Focus. There aren't very many Diesel powered cars here in the states, and that's always confused me why an American car company would release a diesel model in Europe, yet stay away from the idea here in the US.

          A girl I went to college with drove a Diesel powered 4 door Jetta with every feature under the sun, and she claimed to get 55mpg. The car is much larger than my 2 door '99 civic (completely stock and has power -nothing-) which gets around 33mpg.
        • dsmx, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1That's the point I'm trying to make, why are hybrids needed?
        • lilSears, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1They aren't. US legislation makes it hard for diesels to be sold in America because it can't meet emission requirements and the diesel has to be super clean now which adds a whole dollar more per gallon. The worst part about it is that we could be get 20mpg extra saving a whole lot more gas and probably less pollutants too if diesels were sold as theyd burn so much less gas.

          Besides, honda came out with the 92 civic vx with variable valve timing that got mid 50s mpg without a hybrid.
        • pagemap, on 06/15/2008, -0/+1lilSears
          Keep in mind that the 92 Civic vx is a lot less safe than current autos. It weighs a lot less, due to less structural support. Get sideswiped, and you're dead. Current autos are safer and heavier, which equates to less MPG. I drive a 2008 Civic Hybrid and regularly get 75MPG on my way to work.
      • fracai, on 06/14/2008, -0/+2pfft. I've had mine about 2 1/2 years and it's been averaging almost 40 mpg for the past year.
      • digid, on 06/14/2008, -0/+2Recently took a trip in my 2006 Civic EX which required a full tank of gas. It was mostly highway miles where i set the cruise control to 70mph. I got 40mpg.

        I just filled up yesterday and put 10.3 gallons in the tank to fill it up. My tripometer was at 304 miles and those were city miles.

        304 miles/ 10.3 gallons = 29.51 mpg
  • redslash, on 06/14/2008, -2/+59Virtually all money spent on Japanese cars goes to American workers and plants. Even the profits usually get re-invested into new plants and factories. Would you rather the profits went to (Japanese) businessmen who earned it and are going to spend it well or to (American) multimillionaires who are continuing to mismanage their companies and all of Detroit into the ground?
    • x252, on 06/14/2008, -11/+3But in the end- the money is going to other countries.

      • redslash, on 06/14/2008, -0/+16Not really; most of it will perpetually be re-invested. Almost all the money goes straight to the pockets of the worrkers who make the cars, or the steel refinery workers, etc. And then again, if the Japanese are the best at building cars, and thus they themselves get some money from us for it... well, that's capitalism, isn't it?
      • Abomonog, on 06/14/2008, -0/+6With the Japanese automakers it's a very little amount of money that goes back to Japan. They tend to base a division here and operate their American stuff totally separate from the cars back home. Part of this from different mandated specs I'm sure, like the ones in America that make the all Japanese "Nissan Skyline" illegal to sell here unaltered from the Japanese specs.

        As it is Japanese automakers reinvest at least 99% of their profits into the country that the car was made for. Long gone are the days of shipping the $3000 Datsun 210 in from Japan and still somehow making $2500 profit from it. Unless it's a Maxima or better there is no longer any profit in shipping from Japan. Maxima's are produced in Tennessee.
        • mrraven200, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1Epic fail x252 even a hard core lefty like me understands economics better than that...
    • x252, on 06/14/2008, -3/+4I'm sure not nearly as much goes back into "investment" in US workers as you think. The dollar is tanking rapidly and the economy is going down the hole.
      • TheGuruStud, on 06/14/2008, -1/+10Thanks to your buddies. Do you get the ***** picture yet? Buying a POS domestic brand doesn't help anyone.
      • onetimeuse, on 06/14/2008, -0/+15Well last i checked Toyota wasn't laying off workers like Domestic brands, so if you would like the "American" Investment, then go ahead. But honestly, American companies need to realize there are external benefits to being better companies and not profit greedy dumb idiots that think just because they lobby their large v8 SUV's will continue to sell like hot cakes laced with weed.
    • rfolkerts, on 06/14/2008, -0/+5newsflash.... Detroit is already in the ground. All of Southeast Michigan is.
      • mrraven200, on 06/14/2008, -1/+2Sadly true, Ypsilanti resident here... The only jobs available are landscaper or liquor store (excuse me "party" store) clerk. :(
        • dbissig, on 06/15/2008, -0/+1(Detroit resident here...) you should be glad some of the liquor stores there still need landscaping.
    • Virgule, on 06/15/2008, -0/+2In Quebec, Canada, our Chevrolet Cavaliers are assembled in Mexico while our Honda Civics are from Ontario, Canada.

      Weird, eh?
  • lacreme, on 06/14/2008, -8/+1because of japan duh
  • toejamz, on 06/14/2008, -6/+8I have an 97 Saturn SL2 that seats 5 and gets 30 MPG at 90 MPH. It cost me $3,500 to begin with when it had 80,000 miles on it. It's now at 182,000 miles and still runs great. A/C works, radio works, only minor repairs and maintenance to keep it on the road. It's hard to argue with such a cheap, reliable car.

    I love my Saturn!
    • cheapotheclown, on 06/14/2008, -3/+5it's plastic
      • smartmlp, on 06/14/2008, -0/+6And so is pretty much every other vehicle on the road now.
      • BradBrown, on 06/14/2008, -1/+1It may be plastic, but it keeps the rednecks in Tennessee employed. This in turn has let to a decrease in wife beatings. I'd call that a win/win for the South.
        • eggsovereasy, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1Saturn plant closed in March.

          They're retooling it to make some ugly ass crossover minivan crap for Chevy.
    • adlep, on 06/14/2008, -1/+3"I'm a Saturn girl in the Saturn world...Life in plastic, it's fantastic"...
    • mirunit, on 06/14/2008, -1/+2I had one also, then I realized that I would be willing to pay the extra gas for actual throttle response. My Saturn was essentially a go-kart.
      • mrraven200, on 06/14/2008, -1/+1Because you need to drive like you are on a drag strip to go down to the store to get milk...
  • onClipEvent, on 06/14/2008, -8/+43i'm kinda surprised the F150 was outselling the civic in the first place....
    • tnoy, on 06/14/2008, -10/+4I'm kinda surprised you've been completely ignorant about this for hte 15 years or so the F-150 has been the number one selling car.

      Then again, you're probably 15.
      • Abomonog, on 06/14/2008, -2/+9No it hasn't. The best selling cars in the last 15 years or so have been the, Nissan Altima, Dodge Neon, Ford Taurus, pretty much everything Toyota and Honda, Xions, Lexus and Saturns.

        The F150 is a truck.
    • clickwir, on 06/14/2008, -0/+2It is hard to believe there are that many people wasting so much on stuff they don't need and will never use.
  • mehan, on 06/14/2008, -2/+33civics are fine as long as their drivers realize it's not a sports car, and don't rice the ***** out of them.

    the engine has less displacement than a 2L bottle of coke, no need for a huge exhaust.
    • TomKarpik, on 06/14/2008, -5/+2Except that these new Civics look like they're designed to appeal exactly to that crowd.

      The sportsy-car look and the spoiler? WTF?
    • Abomonog, on 06/14/2008, -6/+9Little do you know of the humble Civic.

      The Civic is designed from the start to handle a full stage3 upgrade (minus the nos) on a standard block with no computer replacement.

      Their 2.4 liter Ecotech engines have a large set of balls on them and coupled with a manual tranny they have no problems leaving a base F150 behind. Civics are favorites among the tuner types for a reason. They are cheap cars that are a great starting block for a street racer.
      • mehan, on 06/14/2008, -0/+4http://automobiles.honda.com/civic-sedan/performan ...

        "The 140-hp, 1.8-liter, 16-valve SOHC i-VTEC® engine"

        The F150 is a work truck, also not a sports car. Why would you compare an econobox to a truck?

      • leeg, on 06/14/2008, -0/+5You lost me at Ecotech. Ecotech is the name for General Motor's products. So you are either talking about the Cavalier/Bumfire or really meant to say VTEC.
        • TomKarpik, on 06/14/2008, -0/+2Or it means he's one of the tuner types who doesn't actually know anything about tuning.

          Every sticker adds 5 HP, you know ...
      • TomKarpik, on 06/14/2008, -0/+2Street racing = ***** retarded.

        Each and every street racer out there deserves a lifetime license suspension and a jail sentence. Go off and kill yourselves on a track, but the moment you risk the public's safety because you want to show off your riced-out Civic with stickers and neon lights is the moment you should be throw in jail.
        • Virgule, on 06/15/2008, -0/+1I support parent post except for one point.
          Street + Racing in the same sentence is an automatic oxymoron. Those go-fast nuggets who pretend they can 'race' on the streets don't know racing. There is no way to reach actual racing velocities on the public roads so quit kidding yourself. Period. You'll figure it out, eventually.

          Don't put them in jail, just crunch them cars.
    • clickwir, on 06/14/2008, -0/+2A lot of cars have less than 2L, doesn't mean there's any kind of comparison with soda there. A lot have more than 2L, still, nothing to do with soda.
    • serif69, on 06/15/2008, -0/+2Funny. My Civic has exactly the same displacement as a 2l bottle of soda, and it makes 200hp more than a bottle of soda. I also can't rev a bottle of soda to 8200rpm, but maybe that's just me.
  • terminalterror, on 06/14/2008, -1/+6News like this is strange (albiet unsurprising) to somebody from the UK. The Civic (ours are hatchbacks and so smaller than the ones in the US) is a normal sized car over here, not a small one.
    • waydee, on 06/14/2008, -1/+1It's a hatchback, albeit a pretty fat one but it's in the same sort of class as new minis, new clios etc - fat small cars. A normal size car is a 3-series.
    • CoochieMonster, on 06/14/2008, -0/+0Yeah it is strange news to us in Europe and the UK. Cars like the Civic and the Focus are the norm here, but in the US they like to drive trucks and SUV's for some strange reason.
  • blackhappy, on 06/14/2008, -6/+3How am I going to pull my boat and trailer with a civic?
    • tightscrummy, on 06/14/2008, -3/+19If you can't afford the fuel need to haul a boat and trailer than you can't a afford a boat. Seems pretty simple.
      • DarkShroud, on 06/14/2008, -1/+7When did he saying anything about fuel?
      • blackhappy, on 06/14/2008, -2/+8Um, I didn't!
      • atticus8, on 06/14/2008, -1/+3The theory goes that the general trend on display here is that people are moving from less to more gas efficient cars, on the fact that gas prices have doubled in two years, and continue to rise. A manifestation of this trend is Civics becoming the new most popular car, and people having great trouble selling their F150s, as larger amounts of money would be saved on gas than ever before following such a switch. Since switching is seen as being a reaction to the high cost of gasoline, a consideration of fuel is seen as implied (within the context of this board) in any considered switch between the Civic and truck.
        Thus, tightscrummy is pointing out that anyone with enough money for luxuries such as a boat and trailer would not even engage in the argument or consider the switch, because this hypothetical person is rich enough to not be appreciably affected by gas costs, and thus not have the primary motivation assumed on this board.
        • Drkgodess, on 06/14/2008, -1/+2That was one the most eloquent comments I've ever seen on digg. Thank you for that.
    • pagemap, on 06/15/2008, -1/+1If you can afford a boat, you can afford a second commuter car like the Civic. It's seriously stupid to drive your truck each day when you only need a truck capability 1 or 2 days a week (the days you go to the lake). I'm not flaming you, but consider getting a commuter car and save the gas money. It will help you in the long term. Save that money for your retirement.
  • herpescrusader, on 06/14/2008, -3/+6yay civic

    i definatly wouldn't trade mine for a gas-guzzling truck..
  • GreatGrizzly, on 06/14/2008, -2/+16What sickens me is that it took this long for the people of this country to get the idea. Even when gas prices where low, 90 percent of the population still didnt need an urban assault vehicle, but drove them anyways.


    I have owned my civic for 10 years now, and am not going to stop driving it anytime soon. Gets around 40ish MPG too (my driving habits help alot)
  • NihilFist, on 06/14/2008, -3/+4Clarkson: The Good, the Bad, the Ugly
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0940677/

    Great movie about american cars. I highly recommend it.
  • DolphinGL, on 06/14/2008, -2/+12It's partly due to gas mileage, and partly due to the fact that the 8th gen civics are damn sexy.
  • GreatGrizzly, on 06/14/2008, -7/+1I forgot to mention the best thing about civics: They are invisible to cops.

    I have sped by waiting cop cars countless times going 40 MPH over the speed limit and have never gotten a ticket. I guess they assume a little civic with its little engine isnt capable of going over the speed limit. ;-)
    • MusicalFeedback, on 06/14/2008, -1/+1uhh what? I own a 2000 civic ex. Stock. She's able to hit 180kmh no problem and I've taken her to 200+ before. Oh, did I mention that she currently has 488 000 on the odometer, and never been in to the shop other than the standard breaks and oil changes?

      Everyone, including civic owners, are constantly underestimating the power, and efficiency of the Honda Civic.
    • edilclyde, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1does your city have a speed limit of 150? if you are going 80-100MPH and the cop doesn't notice the speed then you got stupid cops over there!
  • Barackalypse, on 06/14/2008, -1/+10See, the free market is increasing average fuel economy without the need for the big inept Government to legislate it. High prices encourage conservation, low prices encourage more consumption.
    • pantone286, on 06/14/2008, -0/+4You really think the oil market is free?
      • dilbertmouse, on 06/14/2008, -1/+2I think Barackalypse was referring to the automotive free market. In other words, the gov't doesn't need to regulate MPGs because consumers will gravitate towards the better performing vehicles.

        Now, if you wanted to get into the whole electric car conspiracy, you might have a point...
    • Mard, on 06/14/2008, -1/+1The free market is causing global warming, and will respond too slow to stop major problems. Keep deluding yourself. If you need any clearer proof that the free market can't solve all problems, take a look at all the failings of the FDA. Bush chokes the agency damn near to death, and we've got recalls every month of major food products. Mmmm, care for a bite of this juicy burger with spinach and tomato? Not to mention the complete neglect of drugs, abuse of patents (keeping drugs prescription-only until the patent fails, only because OTC would reduce profits), major drug recalls, questionable drug approvals... Need I go on?

      Other segments of the market have just as many problems because of the complete lack of oversight, but these problems are not as immediately apparent as they are with the FDA. The mortgage crisis, for instance, took about 5-10 years. It's interesting how banks like US Bank, which never lowered their lending standards because doing so is obviously IDIOTIC, were not technically affected by the crisis. The free market should be rewarding them, right? Nope! Even they suffer, because the free market has completely failed and the entire market is mortally wounded for it.

      Enron? The airlines? Student loans? Need I go on?

      ***** the free market. Corporations cannot be trusted, as shown time and time again. I'll take a moderately strong economy with reasonable regulation and oversight over this free market we've had the last decade+, thank you very much.
  • projectmecca, on 06/14/2008, -1/+6I bought a new Civic last week!
  • atish505, on 06/14/2008, -2/+7I love walking, bicycling. taking BART, and when I have to drive it is PRIUS.
    Death to the Big Auto makers in Detroit and Death to Big OIL.

  • evolutionium, on 06/14/2008, -2/+6VTEC JUST KICKED IN, YO!!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMbaZzeKJC8
  • iCoty, on 06/14/2008, -1/+1The Japanese are taking over .... oh wait, that already happened!
  • MrDo, on 06/14/2008, -1/+1I got the fn2 last month for commuting and it not more economical than my old 91 ivt. It uses a bit more. If I want the same milage as the old I really have to work for it and even then it I don't think I will reach it. Not that I am unhappy about the car. :) Of course the old one had no AC, airbags, power steering etc etc so it was lighter and still as quick(when it was new) because of the weight.
    So if we want to save even more gas, I guess we could remove a lot of the comfort and safety features.
    It is a bit longer than the old car which sucks for me since I have to parallel park at home every day, but still better han having a big car to find a spot for.
    Not that it matters(but I had to try) I got the new one up to around 155mph before I chickened out(and the no speed limit ended) and it seemed to be the limit, the old one was about 136.

    • OneEye, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1You should have gotten the XVS, the UFG or the FKE or even the KLS.
  • bubba9999, on 06/14/2008, -1/+6This should be a great boon to the long suffering retardedly large exhaust pipe industry.
  • cannabrain, on 06/14/2008, -4/+3The Civic in the picture is an SI, witch isnt very gas or oil efficient
  • 1randomguyO8, on 06/14/2008, -0/+2Here in Aus I started seeing people starting to drive US trucks such as F150's, F250's & hummers etc I hope the fuel price rises stops that craze dead in its tracks.
    Here in Aus we are also steering away from our traditional cars such as the Holden commodore(General Motors owned) and Ford Falcons for cars such Toyota Corolla.
  • ladbroke, on 06/14/2008, -1/+2First time ever? Really? Hasn't it been the number one selling vehicle in America for the past two decades?
    • lolinyerface, on 06/14/2008, -1/+3Car != Truck
      Car sales != Truck Sales
      We're talking about an individual car vs an individual truck in sales.
  • ucccft, on 06/14/2008, -12/+2Dear Morons:
    So how much do they pay for gas? Or have been paying for Gas in Japan or Europe?

    I can't hear you?

    The best thing for all who love little craps cars from other countries, is to MOVE, let's see just how you last over there.

    • digimer, on 06/14/2008, -1/+9A reasonable and well thought out argument. Thank you, I will pack my bags this 'eve.

      /Loves her '07 Honda Fit
      //Isn't moving anywhere, local ignorants aside.
  • pantone286, on 06/14/2008, -3/+9People who feel the need to buy gas guzzlers like an f150 should be charged more per gallon at the pump for wasting gas.
    • zyryx, on 06/14/2008, -1/+5vehicle weight tax. the heavier the car/truck/suv, the more they tax you yearly. heavier vehicles are harder on roads, use more gas, driven by obnoxious ***** who are horrible drivers to boot.
    • docz0r, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1or you could think about the fact these people might actually use the trucks for work? try hitching a 20 foot trailer with three mowers on it to a civic. i drive a civic myself but most of my friends drive trucks. sure i hate to see soccer moms driving excursions and whatnot, thats a waste. but dont group all truck owners together because trucks provide a living for many, many people in this country.
      • mrraven200, on 06/14/2008, -1/+2Well perhaps a person ought to be able to prove they are using it to make a living with, which would eliminate 90+% of SUVs sold to insecure suburban asshats with soft hands and inferiority complexes.

        Also if it's really just a work truck why not buy a mid 70s Chevy 4wd, one of the best trucks ever made?
        • thejamabides, on 06/14/2008, -2/+1Maybe you should shut the ***** up and try to promote a little individual freedom? I mean if people want to spend more at the pump why does that affect you? Mind your business.
        • pagemap, on 06/15/2008, -0/+1If you WANT to spend more at the pump, you are stupid. Plain and simple. Why spend more on a commodity, when you could save that money and have a bigger house, go out to dinner more often? Just like I do when I drive my Civic Hybrid. And I ***** my girlfriend every night just the same.
        • mrraven200, on 06/15/2008, -2/+1thejamabides When your "freedom" to drive a big asshat large vehicle and slurp down gas like it's going out of style causes MY gas prices to go up your freedom impinges of my freedom. Like it or not one of the legitimate roles of government is to adjudicate when your freedom impinges on my freedom, deal.
        • TeamBaldwin, on 06/15/2008, -0/+2Did you ever think that maybe the newer trucks are more fuel efficient and thats why they arent buying beaters from the 70s? Holy jeepers Batman, we're back to the same topic at hand!

          Get off your high horse. What about people who enjoy the outdoors and need 4 wheel drive for hunting, rafting, camping, etc. Maybe they need towing capabilities. Hell, maybe they do a lot of antique shopping and need the extra space hauling. There is a lot of legitimate use of these vehicles outside of construction, agriculture, etc. Quit equating large vehicles drivers to the scum of the earth.
        • mrraven200, on 06/15/2008, -1/+1If you need to haul antiques you can use a far more efficient mini van with a 4 cylinder. In fact IMO people who are wasteful to just show off ARE the scum of the Earth, you need to get over yourselves and stop being so goddamned selfish, neither the planet nor our pocket pockets with rising gas prices can take much more conspicuous consumption:

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Theory_of_the_Lei ...

          Hint if everyone switched to even a 20% more efficient vehicle gas prices would go down for everyone due to reduced demand. Thus your choice ISN'T just effecting you, it's effecting me, and that pisses me off!
  • ThatEvilGuy, on 06/14/2008, -3/+5Ah, Honda Civic, a man's best friend.
  • ZephyrNinety, on 06/14/2008, -1/+6The new Civics are actually really nice
    • hangman16, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1Civics have always been really nice. I have had a 95' civic since I was 16, I'm now 22. I'm surprised how great of a car it is. Rides great, engine is smooth and pretty powerful for the cars size. I love it. I keep trying to justify getting a new Acura TSX, but why? I'm gonna run this car into the ground - which is probably going to take a loooonnnng time.
  • CoMpUtErITGuY, on 06/14/2008, -2/+0Ford F-150? Big deal.
    • AxsToro, on 06/14/2008, -0/+2Ford F-150 has been the best selling vehicle in the states for many years in a row, so it IS a big deal.
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