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- BigManOnCampus, on 07/06/2009, -25/+78wow... China is actually telling-it-like-it-is with regards to a free market, and The United States is the one acting like a socialist nation here...
JUST ***** WOW. - inactive, on 07/07/2009, -1/+23What China really means is, "It doesn't serve *our* interests." Their economy and society are now largely reliant on pollution-generating power plants and factories - no wonder they're opposed to restrictions.
- ZenMojo, on 07/07/2009, -5/+25There are two ways to look at it.
1) China's a country full of robber barons disguising a lack of civil liberties with rampant economic brigandry and the United States is crimping its style.
2) China's a bastion of liberty and...
Yeah, I think you can guess where this is going. - Naieve, on 07/07/2009, -1/+173) China's a country buying the bulk of the US Treasury's, funding the United States Government on its path to economic collapse, and the US Government is trying to use that money to ***** China over.
- AlyxVance, on 07/07/2009, -19/+35well the Chinese got one thing right I guess. Do you really want mandatory smart meters to be installed in everyone's house? Do you really want our country to PAY other countries to not cut down the rain forest?
Just a couple examples of the garbage in this bill. - kemp34, on 07/06/2009, -8/+24Smoot-Hawley Part II?
- 3The3Dude3, on 07/07/2009, -3/+18Cool, go sell your computer. Stand by your principles.
- dissolutionman, on 07/07/2009, -11/+24Yeah. Because we all really want to breathe Beijing air.
STFU, China. - KMye, on 07/06/2009, -5/+16Ah, diplomacy... Wonder at what point China will ratchet it up and start pointing out the tariffs in ACES are illegal under WTO rules... Maybe after we've been busy crippling our economy for nearly a decade, but before the tariffs actually kick-in in 2020?
- Loki101, on 07/07/2009, -0/+9China is acting out of their own self interest. It'd be interesting to see if all those pissed at the environment regulations hobbling GM have to say.
- inactive, on 07/07/2009, -2/+10china has reason for concern. tax the ***** out of pollution, or make it illegal altogether, and suddenly manufacturing is cheaper to do at home in america again. fine by me, these low cost free trade agreements have ruined our country. we need to go back to a manufacturing nation, ***** the service *****.
- Dochirin, on 07/07/2009, -2/+10That's why many analysts are right when they say that the definitions of "capitalism", "communism", "left" and "right" are outdated and not useful any more.
- DirtyVicar, on 07/07/2009, -1/+9Well, China holds almost a trillion dollars in Treasury securities... guess we'd better at least hear our sugar daddy out.
- inactive, on 07/07/2009, -2/+9It's ironic that another country's self-interests are wrong to pursue but when it comes to US interests, anything goes.
I'll be the first to say that China is wrong by creating so much pollution but who the ***** is America where for the last 100 years of development and industrialization leads the world by a long shot in pollution, militarization, and whatever else you can think of that's ***** up this planet? Even with less than a 1/3 of China's population, Americans produce more waste than China does.
Be proud. - costumemaker, on 07/07/2009, -0/+7right, i really want my rivers to look like the yellow river
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/03oqgyvg3o1II/ ...
china is rapidly, rapidly running out of fresh water. Their air is almost unbreathable in larger cities.
You have no idea.. NONE of what you are rooting for. - pagit, on 07/07/2009, -1/+8for a left wing communist government, they are like right wing republicans
- MWeather, on 07/07/2009, -6/+13"Do you really want our country to PAY other countries to not cut down the rain forest? "
Do you have another suggestion? There is an economic interest in cutting down the rain forest. The only counter to that is an economic interest in not cutting it down. So far, all the free market has managed is a vivid example of the tragedy of the commons. - inactive, on 07/07/2009, -2/+8everything is a threat to "American National Security"
- ZenMojo, on 07/07/2009, -4/+10I'm against exploitative corporatism under the pretext of liberty.
- arpad, on 07/07/2009, -3/+9There's also a consensus that the Earth's hollow and the pyramids were built by space aliens using anti-gravity technology.
Consensus isn't the way science is done. Consensus occurs after the science is done and as the aftermath of good science. Albert Einstein hammered his critics with his insights; he didn't get a posse of like-minded scientists together, who just happened to think Einstein's ideas were pretty good, to shout-down anyone who disagreed. - inactive, on 07/07/2009, -6/+12Climate change lecture from the Chinese, They at leasst admit to controlling the weather for the Olympics!
- Bartboy919, on 07/07/2009, -24/+30***** china, they are such a large producer of pollution its disgusting.
- Naieve, on 07/07/2009, -0/+5People hating on China, and I agree they are dirty as *****. Just like we were when we were pushing our economy to its present levels.
They want a piece of the pie, anyone surprised?
Gotta say it, in a long term view, we are being hypocrites. - abehammy111, on 07/07/2009, -5/+11china shouldnt be talking when they havent been doing anything at all about their country's huge pollution problem. at least our president is trying to make some progress with improving the environment.
- iamacyborg, on 07/07/2009, -1/+6Actually, the beauty of capitalism is that it does not hurt China one whit for there to be a vibrant US economy and is actually very beneficial because under *normal* circumstances (i.e. no reserve currency status with China financing a huge trade deficit) trade is reciprocal and Chinese industries benefit from the more efficient supply brought on by global competition as well as a larger market for their goods.
Are we still the greatest nation on earth? - jerwong, on 07/07/2009, -1/+6Yes, just like the last time they complained about "protectionist policies" in our stimulus package prior to turning around and implementing a similar "buy China" policy in their own stimulus package.
Hypocrites. - AbsurdParadox, on 07/07/2009, -1/+5You realize this bill is highly corporatist, right? Regulation is pro-big-business, thus market protectionism.
- Hardataq, on 07/07/2009, -1/+5Why do all these political articles have to be titled like they were written by Stan Lee? They always have "blasts", "annihilates", or "decimates". I click the article expecting some epic space battle, only to be put into a downtrodden state when I find out someone just got a stern talking to. Brings me down.
- hung0702, on 07/07/2009, -2/+6"Apple is firmly opposed to such measures," CEO Steve Jobs told reporters of Beijing.
"We are firmly against such attempts to advance trade protectionism under the pretext of nationalism. It is not conducive to world economic recovery. It serves nobody's interests. Except those without morals or dignity."
As an Asian, I feel it necessary to inform Americans that we all look down upon China's hypocrisy and corruption. - X9001, on 07/07/2009, -0/+4Go, maybe you will start appreciating what you have instead of bitching on the internet like an angsty fifteen year old
- qerplonk, on 07/07/2009, -0/+4Right, when you're poor you don't give a ***** about the environment. That's because you don't have enough money to care about the higher parts of Maslow's Hierarchy.
And the rich want cap and trade as much as the greenies. Why? Because even though they will take a hit, cap and trade would jack up the cost of starting a small business and eliminate a lot of players from the competitive field.
Monopoly, anyone? - AmnesiacJack, on 07/07/2009, -13/+17China won't ever handicap their industry like we are trying to do to ours right now and in fact would probably be quite pleased to see us do something so stupid provided it doesn't collapse the dollar just yet.
We'll slow down while every other country maintains pace. We might be the greatest nation on the Earth but our politicians are doing their best to ***** us over (I'm not just talking the Obama administration this goes way back, decades). - poonjob, on 07/07/2009, -11/+15Dear United States government,
Please look to communist china for common sense. - vbullinger, on 07/07/2009, -9/+13Man, this guy's hilarious sometimes, you know? Yes, I agree: screw China. But they're right on this one. I don't really care about their opinion, but I do agree with them.
BTW, does that mean that you are in favor if the climate bill? Do you actually believe in man-made global warming/climate change? Thought you were a hardcore socialist neocon. - jorel009, on 07/07/2009, -0/+4we need to go back to a nation that "produces" maybe not so much manufacturing, but technology wise. also all of those retail stores (staples, bestbuy..etc); they all live on selling services. services are higher margin, and require less effort.....I don't see the economy returning to a producing model (unless something a lot bigger happens).
- ontain, on 07/07/2009, -0/+3did you know that China has a "buy China" like cause in it's stimulus plan?
- sulthernao, on 07/07/2009, -2/+5I'm against trade protectionism in the form of undervaluing your currency.
- Loki101, on 07/07/2009, -0/+3Ain't wrong to pursue your own self-interest. Ain't right either. Just so everyone understands it has everything to do with keeping the gravy-train rolling and nothing to do with "China is more capitalist than the US". t'ain't ideological, t'ain't about free markets, capitalism, laissez faire - it's all about the money. Regulations = fewer sales for China in the US = less money for China.
- inactive, on 07/07/2009, -2/+5Feel free to move to China.
This one company I know fines their employees (out of pocket, not out of pay.) for not sitting correctly in their desks.
Go nuts.
Move there. It's a TON better. - Loki101, on 07/07/2009, -0/+3China doesn't "have to" sustain anybody's needs or produce anything. They choose to sell the ***** to America. America wants, China gives. If China stopped selling it to America, I'm sure India or any one of the many SEA countries would be glad to pick up the slack.
Bottom line - blame capitalism, not any one country. - SPNKrPunk, on 07/07/2009, -0/+3China built much of their recent economic success on the backs of coal fired power plants. That's a massively short sighted plan; even if you reject global warming you have to acknowledge that coal is a limited resource that won't be easily replaced.
We won't need trade protectionism - they won't be able to generate enough power to compete (that is assuming we aren't still a coal powered country too). - hung0702, on 07/07/2009, -1/+4"Health expert blames pollution for China's cancer rise"[http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSPEK2 ...
"China's 'Cancer Villages' Pay Heavy Price for Economic Progress"[http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0509-02.ht ...
I'm nothing short of disgusted. - Gareth321, on 07/07/2009, -5/+8Zen, you really told it like it is. If anyone has ever been to China, they know the culture is much more 'kill or be killed'. There's not really any social safety net. If you can't find a job [getting ***** over 14 hours a day for almost no pay] then you die. People in China don't give a ***** about the environment - they don't even give a ***** about each other. They're just worried they can feed themselves each day.
As it is in America, it's the super rich broadcasting this message. They simply want more money and more power. Since they own all the companies creating the pollution, they don't like spreading silly things like preventing global disaster. - HappyScrappy, on 07/07/2009, -2/+5The Chinese just want to protect their ability to rape the environment for profit. If you think this is a good thing, you should go to China some time. I have.
This bill doesn't say the Chinese can't complete fairly. If they can put in the same protections for the environment that US companies would when making the same products and still produce it for less, then they will continue to sell a lot of products to the US. And having seen what the Chinese have done so far, I don't see any reason they can't do this. - inactive, on 07/07/2009, -2/+5Your lungs won't thank you.
- MWeather, on 07/07/2009, -0/+2The reason cap & trade is unpopular is that it mandates personal responsibility. You pollute, you pay. We're not cleaning it up for free, and we're not just going to live with it.
If it costs X dollars to scrub Y carbon from the atmosphere, you should have to pay those costs. And if someone can come up with a cheaper way to reduce carbon emissions, that should be reflected in the market price. If anything cap & trade is too lenient. The quota should be 0 emissions, anything over that you have to pay for. - MWeather, on 07/07/2009, -1/+3"Let's begin allowing every nation, every organization, every business, and every individual to make independent decisions and live with the consequences."
That would make sense if every nation, every organization, every business and every individual lived in their own independent environment, but they don't. Their decisions affect everyone else. - Shadowarriorx, on 07/07/2009, -0/+2Yes, and they have been the leading researchers on the planet for the last 50 years as well.
Wake up Sheeple, humans can change the environment around themselves very rapidly. This isn't the 1400's anymore. - poonjob, on 07/07/2009, -4/+6funny how you post that while on your computer which was manufatured in china, over a wireless network where the router.. was made in china. while drinking water out of a cup.... made in china.
SHUT UP
plus you are missing the point. this is the point..
"We are firmly against such attempts to advance trade protectionism under the pretext of climate change. It is not conducive to world economic recovery. It serves nobody's interests."
Yes later on down the road cleaning up is important, but not when there is a global economic disaster on all our backs. - tasine, on 07/07/2009, -4/+6I may have a unique idea - let's mind our own business and keep our own money while letting other countries mind their own business and make their own money.
Let's begin allowing every nation, every organization, every business, and every individual to make independent decisions and live with the consequences. Let's attempt to stop butting into other people's business all the time. Let's allow other nations to hate us on their own time, not on our dime. Let's allow them to bail themselves out when they get themselves in trouble.
Most of all, if we are to survive as a nation, we MUST start pulling together and stop all this infantile finger pointing at each other. Folks, this country is in deep trouble, economically and morally.
The world thinks it wants us to fail (they'll be really sorry if we actually do fail). Some in our country act as though they also want us to fail - this has to stop. We are either ONE NATION or we are not. I couldn't care less what China thinks about what we are doing, but I feel very confident this is a bad bill, passed for the wrong reasons, and that is divisive for our country and harmful to it. This divisiveness MUST stop if we are to survive. -
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