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- jcgreenx, on 01/02/2009, -17/+177Et tu, forest?
- vptel, on 01/03/2009, -2/+140Does anyone remember when Brazils forests were once the Lungs of the world?
Pepperidge Farm remembers - issaccheriyathu, on 01/02/2009, -7/+125It is not the forest that is causing it. It is the fires and the dead trees.
- kinseyincanada, on 01/03/2009, -5/+98***** pine beetle.
- Hodor, on 01/03/2009, -2/+69It's been in the news here in Canada for a few years, it just keeps getting worse.
- inactive, on 01/03/2009, -3/+52Wildfires are nature's way of controlling this type of infestation....man sees fire and extinguishes it this perpetuating the insect infestation.
We need more controlled burns. - MoisturePoints, on 01/03/2009, -12/+55Dude. How much more are we going to have to regress in our lives? I even see they're implementing taxes on livestock and beef cattle for their flatulence? This is hysteria. This is ridiculous. You're adding fear mongering to peoples' lives. This global warming ***** is going to turn countries into banana republics. What do you want us to do? Live in huts? Eat tofu? Not breathe? Don't I exhale CO2? Ah whatever. What's the point.
- raphaeltmnt, on 01/02/2009, -12/+52I've never heard of this before. Great find.
- Stemnin, on 01/03/2009, -21/+60Blame Canada!
- DeskFlyer, on 01/03/2009, -5/+41The planet's not *****. We're *****.
- gbinns, on 01/02/2009, -10/+44Not good.
- brownsound00, on 01/03/2009, -0/+24it's not actually to do with french. he's paralleling this situation with the assassination of cesaer, where he was killed by his most "loyal" friend. when he died, he said "et tu, brutus?". Here it's our earth being "killed" by the one thing we thought was saving it... forests.
- FritoP, on 01/03/2009, -4/+28FTA: "... winters used to kill off much of the pine beetle population each year, naturally keeping it in check. But the milder winters of recent years have allowed the insect to proliferate."
Something tells me much of this article was researched/written before this winter hit. - quietviolence, on 01/03/2009, -2/+25Agreed. Unfortunantly, here in BC, we have become some of the worlds best firefighters, and inhibiting controlled fires is one of the outcomes of that.
Logging has also been slowly pushed out over the years. My grandfather owned a logging business which the government took from him and shut down a couple years ago. My grandfather was working with the major sawmill in BC to selectively log out the pine from our area, and reduce the impact of the pine beetle infestations, and he fully supported controlled burns.
Sadly, the BC and Canadian governments/environmentalists fail to see that ancient forests are not something that needs protecting. Young forests are better producers and have better growth, and better oxygen output, while ancient forests have weak timber and burn so easily. - Countess666, on 01/03/2009, -1/+22the lungs of the world are actually the oceans (their plankton en algae actually). they provide most of the oxiogen, en sequence most of the CO2... but even they are reaching breaking point.
the amazon also has higher temperatures meaning plants grow faster there, meaning they cycle more CO2 then canada's forrests per square km.
all of that doesnt mean this is not a huge problem... its just a preview of whats comming as the worlds other carbon sinks are 'filled' to bursting. - AirRaven, on 01/03/2009, -0/+20The Arctic Taiga's much larger than the Amazon.
It's less pushed by environmentalists because it's less diverse than the Amazon in terms of life- sub-freezing temperatures for most of the year don't help there. - AirRaven, on 01/03/2009, -6/+25...Laughable ecology aside, the problem here's that the beetles in question should technically *die* when it gets cold.
It's not getting cold.
This being a situation completely outside the control of the habitat, it's nothing to do with "natural cycles" as far as Forest Ecology goes. - Countess666, on 01/03/2009, -5/+22weather... climate... not same. (weather != climate)
the last week of the year was one of the coldest we've had in a long while in the Netherlands... but the whole year was still the 12th hot year in a row. - flamingduck, on 01/03/2009, -2/+19yeah... climate CHANGE - fact is - it can't help but change, that's what it does. The mass paranoia really gets to me though.
- mechengineer, on 01/03/2009, -2/+18FTA: "Canada's forests are no longer our friends."
Well then, I guess we'll just have to torch them. That'll learn'em. - wsuvtx, on 01/03/2009, -6/+22 I love it when people on Digg try to explain science. Go back to your video games now kids.
- inactive, on 01/03/2009, -9/+24Aren't you the little scientist
- Trent1492, on 01/03/2009, -8/+22Did you read the story?
- inactive, on 01/03/2009, -2/+15Let the pine beetle spread, and those trees will die, and decompose releasing...CO2.
It's a lose-lose situation. - phatfiend, on 01/03/2009, -6/+18everyone on digg, plant a tree in your yard!
- BruB, on 01/03/2009, -9/+21The forest industry in Canada needs help more than any car companies bailout. How about spending money at the right place.
The industry employs three time the amount of people in the car industry in Canada, and only these people could help. By cutting sick and mature trees you leave room for younger and stronger tree that will help with carbon dioxide. Stop helping private companies that makes crappy cars and start helping the people that made your country what it is. - Murse, on 01/03/2009, -1/+12In the immortal words of Trent1492, did you read the article?
- carsey16, on 01/03/2009, -0/+11Actually this winter has not hit the lower temperature levels for the period of time required to kill the pine beetles.
- Dipsomaniac, on 01/03/2009, -3/+14Yes, really. That small fraction is responsible for around 20% of the Earth's greenhouse effect now and is the constituent of the atmosphere most directly increased by human activities. Put more CO2 in the atmosphere and the greenhouse effect gets more pronounced and more heat is trapped, and that's not even mentioning the increase in water vapour from increased temperatures.
You fail at basic science, and by 'basic' I mean grade 5 science. - jsg7, on 01/03/2009, -2/+13that would make for a crappy movie...
Oh wait... it already did... - sndream, on 01/03/2009, -0/+10There have been a lot of talks about how to solve this problem in Canada, from cut down all the trees in the pine beetle infestation area, spraying ridiculous amount of pesticide to introduce new specie that prey on the pine beetle. But the discussion usually collapse into finger pointing within minutes and then escalate to a douche bag contest.
- MoisturePoints, on 01/03/2009, -2/+12Taxing ranchers $125 per head of livestock and beef cattle is not sustainable.
- FreddieD, on 01/03/2009, -0/+10Actually both of your thunder was stolen nine minutes prior.
- Anim8tor, on 01/03/2009, -4/+14Finalist for Pulitzer Prize in National Reporting for covering the Jena 6 case, 2007, all-around smart guy who interviews lots of people before distilling their comments.
- mrbuerger, on 01/03/2009, -4/+14company cutting wood in Canada is from USA
- Axon14, on 01/03/2009, -0/+10Let's hope the cold snap we had in December killed a few million of the little bastards.
- Anim8tor, on 01/03/2009, -4/+13Point taken. Bugs and forest fires didn't fit into the headline -- I was going more for a "geographical" forest.
Cheers! (And thanks for the digg.) - Pete0430, on 01/03/2009, -0/+9And our dangerously advanced zamboni technology...
- Trent1492, on 01/03/2009, -2/+11Did you read the article?
- maz2331, on 01/03/2009, -4/+12"Sustainable way" is simply a code word for reverting back to living in medevial times and/or under full-blown communism.
- Dysarthria, on 01/03/2009, -12/+20I give up. So no what, cut down more trees? We aren't on any tract to reduce carbon emissions, so isn't this the logical next step?
Anyone else beginning to think that when trees become the problem the science here has to be re-examined? - scamper22, on 01/03/2009, -1/+9yeah you. You CO2 exhaling mother *****. I'm looking at you. You consume oxygen *****. Then you release this worthless CO2 that is destroying the planet. You literally are a waste of space. You're so god damn wasteful. You even fckin exercise when there is no reason to. Do you know how wasteful that is? Can you even begin to comprehend the CO2 released when you exercise? And where the fck do you go? No where. You run on the god damn spot just to burn off the ***** food you have for lunch. Here's a hint, stop fckin eating so much. Do you even care about the CO2 released by cows and the harm deforestation has wreaked on this earth.
As a matter or fcking fact, that is the perfect metaphor for your worthless life. You spend a lot of time consuming and go nowhere. We humans are a plague unto the world. We should not exist. Let us do the universe a favor and remove us from the planet. - dellegazze, on 01/03/2009, -0/+8the correct quote is "et tu, brute?". Brutus is the nominitave case of that name of caesar's so-called best friend, used when that word is the subject of the sentence; brute is the vocative, used in direct address.
i dunno french, but "et tu, brutus?" could very well be proper french. - inactive, on 01/03/2009, -0/+8I live in Vancouver - the ai is polluted - the water sucks - the bay is filled with cigarette butts - it is a flilthy city and the only reason it "appears" clean is because it rains 9 months out of the yer.
- Anim8tor, on 01/02/2009, -2/+10Yeah, what a bummer, huh?
- imikedaman, on 01/03/2009, -0/+8Wasn't someone making a machine that is as efficient as 1000 trees in breaking down carbon dioxide? What ever happened to that?
- doiveo, on 01/03/2009, -4/+12If cellulose as a fuel source was perfected the beetle kill would be a hell of boon. For now however, the forests remain mega bonfires in wait of match
- Trent1492, on 01/03/2009, -0/+899% of the atmosphere is transparent to the Sun's rays. So our current temperature regime relies on less than 1% of the Earth's gas. This fact has been known and demonstrated scientifically since Tyndall in the mid-19th century. That is why we do not have the same temperature regime of our neighbor the, Moon.
I also want to point out that a argument from personal incredulity is a logical fallacy. - Vodd9, on 01/03/2009, -1/+9French would have been "Et toi", not "Et tu"
- yaazz, on 01/03/2009, -0/+8[Citation Needed], eh'
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