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- 11Heather, on 10/10/2007, -15/+501. Digesting protein is known to cause farts - far more than beans.
2. Growing 1kg of red meat demands more than 10kg plant matter (i.e. veggies), and over 7 times as much water as the same mass of plant matter. The logic is solid - eating green puts far less strain on the planet.
3. Let me put it into context: If we stopped producing 10% of the red meat we're producing globally, and put the inputs (veggies and water) into growing planet matter - we could solve the world's hunger problem. - Antialias, on 10/10/2007, -1/+23We already produce a surplus of food in the world. The problem isn't that we don't grow enough food, it is that the food isn't grow/transported to the right places.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -13/+34Not going to be a problem for me. Been a vegetarian for over twenty years, though all those greens, beans and pulses do make me fart.
- hmunkey, on 10/10/2007, -16/+35I am vegetarian, and it isn't a big deal. Meat isn't something you long for, since almost every type of food has vegetarian versions. Italian, Chinese, Mexican, it all tastes the same vegetarian, try it once.
- AlphaEta, on 10/10/2007, -9/+26There's no doubt that Americans and Europeans should eat less beef, but I feel like some groups are overreaching by suggesting that we should all switch to vegetarianism. If you buy local, grass-fed, organic beef I can guarantee that you're contributing less carbon to the atmosphere than a ovo-lacto vegetarian who buys milk that's been trucked across the country. The solution is simple, don't buy beef from cattle that were reared on grain and finished in a feedlot 1000 miles from your house... buy local, grass fed beef. It tastes better, it doesn't harm the environment as much, and the best benefit, for me at least, is that the animals were treated in a humane fashion.
Of course, there's no harm in becoming a vegetarian either! - badfrog, on 10/10/2007, -2/+15Homer: Are you saying you're never going to eat any animal again? What about bacon?
Lisa: No.
Homer: Ham?
Lisa: No.
Homer: Pork chops?
Lisa: Dad, those all come from the same animal.
Homer: Heh heh heh. Ooh, yeah, right, Lisa. A wonderful, magical animal. - thcobbs, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12Math has no agenda....
People using math do.
I'm not saying these people did... but to say that a report has no agenda simply because it has a lot of math is not a logical deduction. I can use a lot of math, but omit a few variables in an equation as complex as the Global Climate(especially since there is no definitive climate equation) and make my numbers fit my theory. - jeffeb3, on 10/10/2007, -3/+13but they don't. You can easily find ten percent of the cattle grazing land that could be used for farming.
- turnthepage, on 10/10/2007, -17/+27I didn't climb to the top of the food chain....Oh hold on, Dominoes is here with my Meat Lovers Pizza
- disconnec, on 10/10/2007, -2/+12This is basically an option for, um, almost no one.
More than 50% of the world's population now lives in urban areas. - taintedzodiac, on 10/10/2007, -5/+13The planet isn't "strained." It's fine. It will survive long beyond our species. We are the ones strained to find a method of long-term survival.
We're trying to save ourselves, not the planet. - ShaneMcDeath, on 10/10/2007, -10/+18If we all just cut down on meat we could save millions of animals worldwide. It's an easy thing to do and people wouldn't have to go completely vegetarian.
- ricree, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8"Meat is good for you in the right quantities, but eating it all the time is bad for you and for the environment. And eat more fish."
Considering the alarming amount of overfishing that's occurring in many parts of the world, is encouraging people to eat more fish really a good idea? - hifiDesign, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9Everything in moderation. These people who think it's God's will to eat rare steak every night are nutbags. I know people who do it. The rural (and rural-ish) counties of America are full of them, with their Meat Magna Carta's happily splashed across billboards and Outback TV ads. Balance your diet with veggies, grains, wild caught salmon, chicken, and sparingly, perhaps red meat, whatever. The keyword is balance! The real problem is that Americans are prone to excess in such ridiculous ways that we're mostly to blame. We consume the most food, gas, etc, ad nauseum.
I mostly cut out read meat and pork about three months ago and I don't miss the feeling of being bloated and gassy, and having irregular bowels. In fact, the first time in a long time that I ate red meat that wasn't ground was last week and it ***** me up for days. Additionally, we save a lot of money by steering clear (no pun intended) of beef and pork. I know chicken's not all that great for the environment, but it will be a long time before I have the discipline and time to give my last animal-based proteins up. - qwickone, on 10/10/2007, -3/+10I'm a vegetarian and I don't think it all tastes the same in the vegetarian version (I used to eat meat). And some people DO long for meat. I mean, I don't get it, but I know people who are like that.
- OdinsFury, on 10/10/2007, -14/+20Cue the idiots who deny the strain that meat production puts on the planet, the merciless slaughter of living beings, and the obvious health hazards of eating meat and animal products. It's alright though, have you morons ever heard of coronary heart disease? Heart attacks are natures revenge for eating her friends. =D Vegan for the win baby!
- kenplaysviola, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6and don't forget about all this mercury poisoning I keep hearing about that is in our fish we eat
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Many nuts are high in protein but nuts also contain high levels of fat and calories. The protein in nuts is of less quality than the protein in meats, fish or eggs, however if combined with other plant foods at the same meal the quality of protein in nuts can become complete.
- blackolive, on 10/10/2007, -3/+9100g of walnuts has 23.24 grams of protein
100g of cow corpse has 26.06 grams of protein *but* with saturated fat, chloresteral, growth hormone, anti-biotics, etc.
http://www.highproteinfoods.net/beef-and-veal/1639
http://www.highproteinfoods.net/nuts-seeds/1041 - ShorXrorE, on 10/10/2007, -4/+10ugh WTF this title is so misleading. i was expecting a link to an actual...you know...ARTICLE or PRESS RELEASE about england's environment report. instead it's just some moron with no links rambling on some internet forum. wtf don't link to something people have said a hundred times before just because they mention - without links - a supposed article.
I WANT ACTUAL NEWS not forum *****. - jeffeb3, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Since my land lord won't let me have a dog, I doubt he'd want me to raise pigs....and 30-45 minutes per day is absolutely not worth it. It's rather eat half the meat, and probably save more carbon than raising my own animals.
- BlackCow, on 10/10/2007, -3/+9Do I have to be a vegetarian? I love seafood so much, nothing like a nice salmon steak on the BBQ. I can do without the beef though.
- louiedog, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6You don't think animals need protein? Instead of feeding a cow tons of plants to get some meat, you eat the plants yourself and save all that energy the cow wasted. What studies are you talking about? You're obviously pulling things out of your ass.
- turnthepage, on 10/10/2007, -3/+9I've jogged 9 miles this week. You make the call.
- blackolive, on 10/10/2007, -4/+9BTW, some of us vegetarians don't eat beans at all - there's more protein in nuts.
- jeffeb3, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6A lot of livestock feed is grown specifically for that reason. The majority of livestock feed is grown in large commercial plants, that feed large, commercial livestock.
Goats and horses don't taste very good, they are typically the livestock that ends up eating plants in meadows. Cows, chickens, and pigs are generally kept in numbers that have no ability of being sustained by natural plant growth. SO people feed them by growing grains that no human would eat. It there weren't cows to eat all of it, people would start growing edible plants.
But, all the same, I love steak, and I hate veggies. No way I could do it. - Hananda, on 10/10/2007, -8/+13I would suggest looking into the possibility of raising ones own animals for those of us with the land to do it. I buy a pair of pigs every year, feed them locally grown grains. Relatively low environmental impact, it costs about a third of what buying that meat from a market would cost, and the time investment is only about a half-hour to forty-five minutes a day. Certainly not an option for everyone, but between raising my own livestock and hunting, I've pretty well eliminated any need to buy meat.
- jeffeb3, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5because they are cutting down the amazon to make room for domesticated cows...
- aliengoods, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6You mean like those other teeth in the middle and front that tear flesh? We're omnivores, *****.
- tehpwnrate, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7I'll digg that. Most people are too wussy to actually kill the food they're going to eat, which is pretty stupid. If you're wiling to eat it, you should be willing to kill it IMO.
- localzuk, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7That's the point. Saving animals from a pointless life with significant suffering is a good thing - even if it means they never get born.
- masonxm, on 10/10/2007, -5/+10Really? Countless studies? Please site one or two. I think you have it backwards. It's far less efficient to filter plant matter through animals than to consume it directly.
- thcobbs, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5{tinfoil hat}
That's just what they WANT you to believe. Actually, they are moving us away from the farm-raised meats so that we get accustomed to not eating animals. Eventually, they will start offering green cakes of "all natural" goodness. But it's really PEOPLE that have been recycled to feed this over-populated world.
{/tinfoil hat}
Or maybe they just have really good intentions, but are using extremely poor methodology to convince people. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Why are the ones at the front good for ripping through flesh?
- mithrasinvictus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4There are more and less wasteful "production" methods but it is always less efficient
- AlexWills, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5We should give up meat because methane is released in the air. We should also give up driving gas powered cars because that pollutes the atmosphere. We should also not drive battery powered cars because the nickel used in them is mined and is an environmental disaster. We should stop exercising so much because all of that extra breathing releases "poisonous CO2s". We should stop using air conditioning because that releases dangerous emissions.
How can we save the environment? Go back to the stone age. - plugues, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4with my cooking, you do. ;)
seriously, i make the best salads! the secret is all in the spices and dressing used. it's actually quite an easy mix of olive oil, vinegar (or balsamic vinegar) and garlic. good salads must be composed of much much more than just green leafs. sliced tomatoes, whole olives, shredded carrots and beets, even entire pieces of cooked garlic are an option.
hi, i'm plugues. i'm vegan and i love salads. also, i'm vegan for different reasons (animal rights). there are countless reasons to go veg, and the only one i can think of that justifies carnivorism is "entertainment". people do it for their tastebuds, without regards to the environment, animal farming and world hunger. i say that because the nutrients can all be found elsewhere.
but yeah, a steak is tasty, alright. - qwickone, on 10/10/2007, -4/+8Try eating a handful of fresh, raw steak. Within an hour, tell me how your stomach feels.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4You Brits should just eat each other, stop worrying and STFU.
- Travelsonic, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7Sounds like somebody is blindly following one source of information and calling the kettle black.
Tell me your sources and I'll show you mine. - blackolive, on 10/10/2007, -5/+9"Vegetarians might fart as often as meat-eaters, but their 'serenades' do not smell as much because vegetables produce less hydrogen sulfide."
http://www.askmen.com/sports/health/38_mens_health.html - diggduggjoe, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Raw meat is not a problem, but cooking does make it easier to digest. Raw meat has higher levels of vitamin C. At least when coming from an animal which produces ascorbic acid naturally.
- KevenM, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6Just goes to show you, we're still learning as we go, and are yet far away from fully understanding THE WHOLE GLOBAL SYSTEM.
- jd72277, on 10/10/2007, -4/+8Cue the " I will drive my fat ass around in a Prius but don't want to make any changes that will make me healthy and actually have a chance of scoring" bit.
- jcdick1, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6We wouldn't have to turn under any more than we do now, if not a little less, actually. Convert the cattle feed farming to human feed farming, instead. The numbers actually hold up on that point. Of course, after a few years, the tree huggers come out in defense of the nearly extinct Black Angus and Hereford and we're back where we started ...
- VeganG, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4I wouldn't say ALL of the fake meats taste the same. I place them into three categories: 1) Frighteningly real, I'd better double-check the ingredients; 2) Doesn't taste like what it's emulating, but still tastes good as food; and 3) Tastes vile (yes I will admit that there is a lot of that). It also depends on where you live. In L.A. or New York I have access to a lot of REALLY impressive food. When I go visit my mom in Illinois... not so much.
- localzuk, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Please enlighten us by providing details of these studies, as every study I have ever read says the exact opposite of what you are saying...
- OdinsFury, on 10/10/2007, -7/+11Watch this documentary about the industry standard for animal treatment in slaughterhouses and how humans are totally dependent on them. I would challenge you to go back to eating meat after watching this film. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1282796533661048967
- disconnec, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5It's the same thing. There's no such thing as "saving the planet." The planet will exist with or without us, with or without our fragile species. Mass extinctions have happened over and over again, and life continually finds a way to continue. The problem isn't saving the planet, the problem is preserving our environment. Environmental destruction is the #1 cause of extinction, and that applies to humans as well as non-human animals.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -11/+15You might not long for meat, but some of us sure ***** do.
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