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- anteyekon4myst, on 09/06/2008, -1/+36I wouldnt look at this as an argument for deflecting US responsibility for pollution levels. Why? Look at how many goods are purchased from China by the US. This is the equivalent to outsourcing your pollution. What we should learn from this is that global warming does not respect political boundaries; we are all fish in different parts of a bowl.
- inactive, on 09/06/2008, -2/+19The US didn't sign the Kyoto protocol.
- VodkanLemons, on 09/06/2008, -5/+20they're bukkake-ing the environment
- inactive, on 09/06/2008, -1/+15Way to pass on the blame, CNN. I'm sure North American pollution will have nothing to do with that, even though we produce more pollution per capita.
- inactive, on 09/06/2008, -5/+16The pollution in California is called Californians.
- xbxoxy1, on 09/05/2008, -3/+12yeah! i guess global warming is no longer a hot topic
- ted510, on 09/06/2008, -0/+8Blame Canada and now blame Asia. What an easy way to solve the problem huh?
- inactive, on 09/06/2008, -3/+10Close walmart, problem solved..
- Panopticism, on 09/06/2008, -0/+7Because the US would then have to declare war on itself.
- cygnus2112, on 09/06/2008, -0/+6A "good" change? If it affects the "American heartland", it will likely have an effect on Canada and the world as well.
Pollution is not a good thing, regardless of who is causing it, dumbass.
(Also a Canadian.) - RoryH, on 09/06/2008, -0/+6So the world biggest polluter is worried about other countries pollution effecting it? :-/
- scamper22, on 09/06/2008, -2/+8Before you all start China hating...
The Western world has been industrializing and polluting for the past 100 years. No Western nation paid a carbon tax during our industrial revolution. Most of the green house gases in the air are from the Western world's emissions. The so called 'stock' of emissions.
Even Europe which seems to be pushing for this, what price did they pay for their past pollution? None. Until they ante up money for their stock of pollution, they don't have a moral ground to stand on.
Frankly, in China's interest, improving the quality of life of its people exceeds its global warming commitments. Most of which are not its fault. Frankly, the Chinese are already doing a lot in terms of wind power and reduing emissions. Not enough of course.. - inactive, on 09/05/2008, -6/+11We need to send Al Gore over to Asia for a couple of years : /
- fuzzlog, on 09/06/2008, -3/+8CNN propaganda. Blame someone but yourself. What about that little continent called North America and their failure to adopt low emission legislation? North-american countries just keep buying useless $1 crap and make asian countries use their outdated facilities that pollute more instead of helping them modernize. We should maybe blame ourselves for what's happening to our side of the oceans first.
- theRealNyee, on 09/06/2008, -5/+9yeah.... and people still think global warming isn't real.
Who'd ever guess economic growth is environmental doom? - vsujohn2, on 09/06/2008, -0/+4My mother is a fish
- armakaryk, on 09/06/2008, -0/+4were a little obtuse when it comes to these things.
- smurfen, on 09/06/2008, -1/+5you don't know ***** about how this works do you?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_effect - 1smartguy, on 09/06/2008, -1/+4One of the most polluted cities in the U.S., if not the most polluted, is Bakersfield Ca. It's in one of the most agriculturally productive areas in the world, and it's fairly rural. The pollution comes from Los Angeles and San Francisco.
My son went to college there for a couple of years, and I've driven through the area 100s of times. I've never seen a clear day there. My son lived in a mountainous area that could command some striking views of nearby mountains, and the San Joaquin Valley floor, but the air is always thick with pollution.
Having said all that, California is the most progressive state when it comes to setting emission standards. California sets the bar, and the rest of the states and world follows. Citation for that can be found in Wiki under emissions standards. All that emissions equipment you see on you vehicle got its start with California mandates.
Auto manufacturers often have to jump through some extra hoops so they can sell their products in California. They've even gone so far as to ban the sale of many products with 2 stroke engines, including off road vehicles, personal watercraft, and landscape maintenance tools. Ca was the first place in the world to require vapor recovery equipment on gas nozzles at gas stations.
Most of the world, and most states still don't require this equipment. Ca now requires pressure testing of automobile gas tanks to make sure there are no leaks in the automobiles gas tank vapor recovery system. A lot of people are not passing their smog tests, and are quite surprised they have to take their car to a mechanic to get it repaired. - waydee, on 09/06/2008, -1/+4Thanks for that kreatre2007. Coming from a reputable, peer reviewed source like yourself I couldn't help but believe you.
- havocjaw, on 09/06/2008, -0/+3Penn and Teller would call this, *****!
- Jenovaside, on 09/06/2008, -0/+3Thank you Caption Obvious. "global warming" is not country exclusive.
- wpyh, on 09/06/2008, -0/+2"... federal science report ..."
Hm... - dezent, on 09/07/2008, -0/+2Thats a very stupid article,
Sure it´s only pollution from asia thats harmfull, how could pollution from the US be harmfull in anyway, i mean smog does not exist in any American cities, we all know that.... - jave8u, on 09/06/2008, -0/+2Burying you just made way for all of these other nice and concise but still insightless comments.
- Ne007, on 09/06/2008, -0/+2Don't give them any ideas for ***** sake......
- MrPig, on 09/06/2008, -0/+2Actually, he's correct. They were not, however, talking about the particulates.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling
There have been studies that have proven that particulates released in the air are masking the effects of global warming. This basically means, that if we were not also releasing particulates - global warming would have had a much larger affect on temperatures than it currently has. - LD1o1, on 09/06/2008, -1/+3Because America is no Angle when it comes to polluting.
- jave8u, on 09/06/2008, -0/+2I'm singing! I'm singing!
- Ne007, on 09/06/2008, -1/+3Jack Ohio winter temperatures by 30 degrees and I'll be even more in their debt.
- hwy9nightkid, on 09/06/2008, -0/+1Cygnus..thinking green is about 2 things, reducing pollution as a whole (hybrids)...and being more efficient with our oil use/natural gas (boutique fuels).
e85, hydrogen, bio diesel ... etc have done little to reduce emissions because they are barely used. BUT California is still cleaner than it should be, thanks to the strict emissions. no one can use mass transit here, unless your in a big city thats dense like downtown LA or San Francisco.. San diego's mass transit, and city as a whole.. is made for driving individual cars.. thats why I hate california, the whole country side was expanded upon so that we could drive everywhere more..
mass transit money is a waste of time/energy/resources, when no one uses it... I'd say instead focus on efficiency, urban planning, and continuing plans on lowering use of oil in general.. in the end though, california is polluted because of the agricultural land not just the people - waydee, on 09/06/2008, -0/+1This is funny because I've always blamed our ever milder winters here in Scotland on Americans and their SUVs. Half joking, of course.
- cygnus2112, on 09/06/2008, -1/+2Remember, Kyoto gives China a free pass to build 562+ more coal plants.
http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2007/01/17/chin ...
" China, India and the U.S. — none of them restricted by Kyoto — are planning to build more than 850 new coal-fired energy plants over the next few years. China alone is planning 562. (Burning coal emits more greenhouse gas, linked to global warming, than oil or natural gas, the world’s two other major fossil fuels.)
…. It estimated these 850 plants will put five times more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere than Kyoto is designed to remove, even if every other country, including Canada, miraculously hits its Kyoto target. " - b8man99, on 09/07/2008, -0/+1Sounds like the argument for another preemptive strike is being assembled.
- cygnus2112, on 09/06/2008, -0/+1From all the reports I've read, the amount of money put into regulation and the extra expense of creating boutique fuels during refining is actually not doing squat to curb emissions and making refining more ridiculous and raising gas prices.
The money could have been invested in smarter ways, like mass transit, that would have had a better overall impact on emission reduction.
Think about it - Northeast US has the most condensed population with a better transit system. But California, with it's strict emission regulations has the most pollution. - inactive, on 09/07/2008, -0/+1Because they're criticising other countries for their pollution, while doing nothing about their own.
- P0k3Y, on 09/06/2008, -0/+1Take a look at the Story of Stuff. www.storyofstuff.com to see that we outsource all of this so we can pollute someone else's backyard.
- slapthemonkey, on 09/09/2008, -0/+1Don't we consign inconvenient and polluting manufacturing facilities to the third world?
- dezent, on 09/07/2008, -0/+1from the article...
"What they do about their pollution can affect our climate," said study co-author Hiram "Chip" Levy, a senior scientist at NOAA's fluid dynamics lab in Princeton, New Jersey.
Thats Great, they need a senior scientist to figure that out!
What do they need to come up with something like. "What we do about our pollution can affect others climate," ? - angryredplanet, on 09/07/2008, -0/+1"Because people are starting to figure out it is a scam."
WTF are you talking about?
Most of the people who think it's a scam are those who haven't even looked at the science or the findings. It's remarkable - the vast majority of climate scientists are finding that the average global surface temp is increasing at an accelerating rate, which doesn't just happen for no reason
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/info/warming/
this is highly correlated with anthropogenic CO2 output - a known greenhouse gas - and yet you still deny.
If your oncologist told you you had cancer, would you deny their prognosis? If your plumber told you your taps need replacing, would you deny their advice too? If your mechanic tells you your brakes are malfunctioning, would you deny them?
"...the amount of CO2 released from the California fires this summer dwarfs the annual human related CO2 output of the world..."
This kind of sweeping statement requires a citation. What is the nominal figure, in billions of tonnes, for the annual human related CO2 output of the world?
"this is one of the coldest summers I've ever seen in Montana..."
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20080116/
Climate is defined as being an observation of temperature and meteorological observations over time - like 30 years. This is definitely NOT grounds for a staunch denial of the comprehensive climate change studies that have and are being done. - Midnightbrewer, on 09/08/2008, -0/+1Greenhouse gasses are not the only thing released in pollution. Volcanic eruptions release great amounts of ash and dust, which can be likened to soot and other particulate pollution released by unregulated industry.
- sklter84, on 09/06/2008, -1/+1If it's white it's alright.
- jave8u, on 09/06/2008, -1/+1... In a private jet.
- twomeyw23334, on 09/06/2008, -1/+1Many Americans pollute insane amounts more than our counter parts in Asia and other parts of the world. fuzzlog is not one of these typical Americans though, he just turns on his computer for like 2 minutes so he can codemn the rest of us who are living much worse lifestyles then him.
- nikhil5974, on 09/06/2008, -1/+1This report is as sound as "The increase in population in asian countries because of american tourists ***** the local whores"
- Saea, on 09/06/2008, -1/+1You know, personally, I haven't been that objective to all the nice, warm weather we've been getting here in the Pacific North West. It's made biking in Portland a lot more enjoyable, and just getting away from rain and cold.
- alclone, on 09/06/2008, -1/+1Although this is CNN, I find fault with this article. Greenhouse gases are believed responsible for increasing the atmospheric temperature but I clearly remember a scientist who found that the pollution from volcanic eruption decreased the temperature of the atmosphere by two degrees around the world. Can someone clarify this article for me?
- junkneo, on 09/06/2008, -2/+2This is partial information. Propaganda as usual, by fanatics.
- atb12688, on 09/06/2008, -0/+1***** Global Warming
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