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- mikemehak, on 07/08/2009, -1/+16This is really the fishermen against the miners.
If it were the miners against the salmon, they would most likely win. Although the salmon would clearly outnumber the miners, they would not be wielding pick axes.
That aside. The fisherman have better reasoning to win, they have been fishing the waters for a long time, like generations. That said, mining companies have a lot more money for lawyers than a bunch of fishermen.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out. The human race is odd because we will put material possessions (mining) before necessity (food). - EnergyGeekCa, on 07/08/2009, -4/+18Hey look what's happening in the Alberta Oil Sands in Canada.... The natives have lived on that land and trapped animals for a living for hundreds of years.
And now the forest's are being bulldozed and 2 Tons of earth are dugg up just for one barrel of oil.
That beautiful land is being destroyed for greed!
Lets hope that mankind doesn't push Salmon to the brink of extinction. - fairandtrue, on 07/08/2009, -2/+15go Salmon go! we can't eat gold.....
- Junkyarddawg, on 07/08/2009, -0/+7The key question is: which side can afford to hire the mostest and bestest lobbyists?
- bromac, on 07/09/2009, -1/+6I type this from the banks of the mighty Yukon River, in Dawson City, and not far from the Alaska border.
All our salmon travel through their state, so this is a major concern here, and the local First Nations have a sustainance salmon fishery.
This year the salmon return is so bad (down to 60,000 from a normal of 120,000 fish) there are no other catches allowed other than the First Nations fishery and even they have voluntarily cut their catch in half. So while I feel for the fishermen, at least the gold still pays and you don't decimate a species when you take it out of the water (unless you're doing it very wrong).
So please, Alaskans, let the fish be. They have a long way to go. - ell0bo, on 07/09/2009, -0/+5I don't think it's irrelevant, I just think it's wrong... sorry.
- inactive, on 07/09/2009, -0/+4vs. Crab People
- SalmonGod, on 07/09/2009, -0/+3Indigenous cultures haven't gone extinct because their way of life was wrong. They die out because "civilized" cultures practice genocide. Your pointing this out doesn't really help your argument.
Do you really think all that money is going to help anybody when the ecosystem unravels and there's nothing left alive to sustain us?
We don't live apart from nature. We depend on it. However, that imaginary construct we call a monetary system has very little connection to nature, and allowing it to make decisions for us without regard to the environment will be humanity's extinction eventually. - piieerrrree, on 07/09/2009, -0/+3FROM OUTER SPACE!
- TobiasParker, on 07/09/2009, -1/+4"sustained fishermen like 29-year-old captain Lindsey Bloom for more than 100 years"
Seems kinda fishy. - SalmonGod, on 07/09/2009, -0/+3Survival of the fittest is wrong, actually. It's survival of the best fit. Species that contribute to and strike a balance with their environment enjoy the greatest longevity/stability. Species which trash, abuse, & use up their environments are quickly unable to support themselves. We're getting to that point, precisely because people forget that we are natural. People seem to believe that we live somehow independent of nature.
By your logic, you may also consider suicide as "life at work", but do you still condone it? - inactive, on 07/09/2009, -0/+3I SHOULD OF CHANGED MY ***** LOCK
I WOULD OF MADE YOU LEAVE YOUR KEY
IF I'D HAVE KNOWN FOR JUST ONE SECOND
YOU'D BE BACK TO BOTHER ME - edebolt, on 07/09/2009, -0/+2What happened to the Ron Paul gold standard types? This is time to step it up and have the US produce more commodity assets.. Didn't anybody think this thru? Where are these hard assets going to come from? Isn't much more gold mining implicit to this commodity based system?
- 123bucklemyshow, on 07/09/2009, -1/+3I JUST WALKED IN TO FIND YOU HERE
WITH THAT SAD LOOK UPON YOUR FACE - inactive, on 07/09/2009, -1/+3Salmon (with proper conservation) will be here a thousand years from now - the gold won't after it's all mined out.
- SalmonGod, on 07/09/2009, -0/+2I don't see it as livelihood of fishermen vs livelihood of miners.
I see it as people who believe that humanity exists independently of nature vs people who understand that when the world dies, we go with it - Akairenn, on 07/09/2009, -0/+2With proper conservation being the operative words. I'd rather see gold remain unconserved than fish. :p
- Twenty, on 07/09/2009, -1/+3Man I just made some delicious Alaskan salmon for dinner. :(
Also they are a cool fish all around.
" the largest intact salmon habitat left in the world." Just find somewhere else to mine, god damnit. - doktorrocket, on 07/09/2009, -0/+1Not to put too fine a point on it, but the gold will still be here a thousand years from now as well. That's why people like gold, it doesn't decay with time like other stores of wealth.
- mikemehak, on 07/09/2009, -0/+1perhaps you are unfamiliar with this area.
Families from Toronto won't be packing up and moving here for a new start.
The economic opportunities it will build will only mildly help the people who lost everything in the fishing industry.
The jobs it will create will be filled by people who fly in, live at a camp and fly out after 6 months. The money will go elsewhere, maybe into the community bar.
Many natives have been living in that area succesfully for a long time. They won't be going extinct, but they might be forced out of their land. Not through fault of their own. - 123bucklemyshow, on 07/09/2009, -1/+2I hope this war is commentated by Mike Rowe.
- SPLASTiK, on 07/09/2009, -1/+2Coming? Alaskans have been debating this for quite a while...
- Metalcastr, on 07/09/2009, -1/+2How did a guy 29 years old survive for more than 100 years on fish? I thought that was only possible with bacon.
- sooperdooper, on 07/09/2009, -0/+1Sounds like there's a rumor about Capt. Bloom coming down the pike.
- MurphyWatson, on 07/09/2009, -1/+2I think economically the fish should be preserved because they can continue to help produce money every year, while eventually the mines will dry up.
If I understand it correctly the fish will die if they open up the mines, not so sure everyone in here is... - sooperdooper, on 07/09/2009, -0/+1How?
- catdawg555, on 07/09/2009, -1/+1Never did get the idea of gold why is it so damn popular? you can't eat it,live in it ,drive it,fook it ,other then jewerly,or fillings for teeth what good is it ? a conductor ? i would rather have land.
- vinnyvenus, on 07/09/2009, -3/+3I am supporting miners .
- dusanmal, on 07/09/2009, -1/+1300$ million vs. hundreds of billions... Few specialized jobs vs. developing economy and many wide-range jobs. Human race would be odd if it chose first. Than, there are some stone age tribes still alive on Earth who chose such path. To the extinction.
- dusanmal, on 07/09/2009, -2/+1Survival of the fittest... Nature at play. You forget that humans and all we do is Natural (or you believe in Supernatural). Bear can dig a hole, we can bulldoze tons of soil. No greed, just Life at work.
- fcaustic, on 07/09/2009, -5/+3Go for it, if it damages the livelihood of the fishermen, compensate them appropriately with the billions being made from mining.
/me waits to be dugg down by hordes of hippies that think disagreeing with someone makes that person's opinion irrelevant. - RiotHeart, on 07/09/2009, -6/+1Palin vs the Diggers?
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