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- OnlyGirlOnDigg, on 05/06/2008, -4/+44We're getting started. The green movement is coming. Keep up the good work; we have much more yet to do.
- aladrin, on 05/06/2008, -2/+26Dugg for stating that you don't have to believe in global warming to care about doing things right.
- unpolloloco, on 05/06/2008, -9/+24why is recycled paper "green"? I'd propose that non-recycled paper coming from trees cut from tree farms and processed in the way the article suggests is greener. It takes less energy to produce, and (more importantly), the paper that would go to landfills instead of being recycled would act as a carbon sink.
- Renuvian, on 05/06/2008, -2/+14Rotting paper in landfills (I assume) would release methane and/or CO2.
- serif69, on 05/06/2008, -0/+7This is happening throughout the paper industry, not just in Washington state. Not to mention that ALL paper contains some amount of recycled fiber. Paper mills don't just throw away the scrap, they reuse it. Mills are becoming virtually waste-free, and are turning to alternative energy sources not because it's the "green" thing to do, but because it makes strong business sense.
- corbettkroehler, on 05/06/2008, -1/+8Goal #1 MUST be to leave more trees alive and growing. We can argue about the energy invested in milling new versus recycling used paper but only recycling can help us leave more trees in the ground.
- BeforeSputnik, on 05/06/2008, -1/+8Why would it accept "aluminium?" That's not a real word. That'd be like trying to spell "color" with a "u" in it. You can't just go around inserting letters, willy-nilly, into words. It's not right. Good day, sir.
- Grimdotdotdot, on 05/06/2008, -0/+6Hahaha brilliant! I didn't realise any American people actually said that! Now I get to tell you that the US has never actually won a war that hasn't involved fighting alongside Europeans!
- govsucks, on 05/06/2008, -0/+6I digg this cause I'm a conservative and if money can be made, products can be made, people can be paid and resources saved then I'm all for it.
- aliengoods, on 05/06/2008, -7/+12This may be slightly off topic, but I'm getting sick and tired of hearing about green collared jobs. What are they? Environmentally friendly blue collar jobs. Shouldn't we be looking at educating people so they don't have to depend on a single company for their entire lives?
- alpha94, on 05/06/2008, -1/+6What does that have to do with anything?
- Grimdotdotdot, on 05/06/2008, -0/+5So you can make it, then?
- TEMM, on 05/06/2008, -2/+7Because paper breaks down in what? A few months tops. It takes more energy to recycle paper then it does to cut down tree's grown SPECIFICALLY to make paper and process them into paper. It turns out that it is actually worse for the environment to recycle paper. This also turns out to be true for plastic and glass as well, although these do hang around for a longer time in landfills. The only material at the current time that has a net benefit for being recycled is aluminium, as it takes much more energy to mine bauxite and separate the aluminium from it then it does to melt down old aluminium cans.
On a side note: Firefox's spell checker will not accept "aluminium" as the correct spelling, only aluminum. Fun stuff. - MWeather, on 05/06/2008, -0/+4We couldn't have done it without the Russians.
- oldhick, on 05/06/2008, -0/+4Tree farms aren't renewable? Ummm... Alright.
- kenedamick, on 05/06/2008, -0/+4Sorry 'bout that - let's get back to the language you can understand: American Idol, Deal or No Deal, Fox News, Wal-mart, Fast food, stay the course..
- wrs123, on 05/06/2008, -0/+4I'll defeat your purpose...
- inactive, on 05/06/2008, -2/+6Because doing so makes its own waste.
Transport, processing, all of it have very real costs and very real waste products. Seperate trucks to haul it away, seperate facilities to process it all, the energy to run all these things, and all kinds of nasty chemicals to do it with.
It ends up being far more wasteful for most products than it saves in landfill space. We have PLENTY of space for landfills in this country, its far less of an enviromental impact to use them than to waste energy recycling stuff. - corbettkroehler, on 05/06/2008, -0/+3Rampant consumerism is a trend which we must fight at the same time becaust it has enviornmental and cultural benefits.
- regeya, on 05/06/2008, -2/+5If the new farm bill goes through, the subsidy for corn ethanol will drop, and a larger subsidy for cellulosic ethanol will be in its place.
The most promising biodiesel is made from algae.
Neither of these have to lead to a "food crisis" if farmers use permaculture methods.
Next! - tcpip4lyfe, on 05/06/2008, -0/+3Don't mind him. He's a moron and doesn't speak for the rest of us over here.
- TheRealToma, on 05/06/2008, -2/+5Crude oil coated seal furs that were treated in a acid plant next to a coral reef doing it for ya?
- Grimdotdotdot, on 05/06/2008, -3/+6Keep digging down the truth, US-chums - maybe no-one will read it.
- Kenzan, on 05/06/2008, -0/+3"Green Collar" Jobs?
- sugarazor, on 05/06/2008, -0/+3Recycling paper doesn't really do much for trees. We have more trees now than we did 100 years ago - they're a renewable resource, and that's where paper generally comes from - areas of trees that are planted for the sole purpose of being logged.
- VinceNoir, on 05/06/2008, -0/+3What the hell are you talking about? That's un-American! The American dream is to be able to go to school, get smart enough to get a decent job that pays well, get married, have 1.5 kids and a dog, buy a house, and spend 80% of your income on things you don't need.
- h0ser, on 05/06/2008, -1/+4Recycling paper is useless. There are tonnes of chemical sludge that is released by doing so. They don't have any reliable ways of getting rid of the sludge either so they just dump it. There are also tree farms that are specifically made for harvesting trees for paper. It's not like people are cutting down the rain forests so you can print out a new funny photo. Deforestation is a huge problem in the rain forest. It's the number 1 cause of all co2 emissions in the world. These recycling companies are turning a profit because of the peoples ignorance.
- mimetic2, on 05/06/2008, -1/+3This isnt new. Banana paper, coffee paper, are treeless and recycled paper. Do a google search for banana or coffee paper and you'll see what i mean.
- pdbailey, on 05/06/2008, -0/+2Yes, but transportation (while important to home production) is not very important to industrial production. Take food for example--here transportation is responsible for about 3% of the carbon released. It's just another case of pointing to something that appears obvious from the outside and not seeing the big picture.
- Insurgo, on 05/06/2008, -1/+3Spoken just like someone who's never lived a day of their life outside a city block.
- AlexDenne, on 05/06/2008, -0/+2Oh my god, dont start
- inactive, on 05/06/2008, -7/+9Recycled paper = *****. It takes more energy to recycle paper than it does to orignally process it, and it's not like we're saving any trees because paper is already made from renewable tree farms. Recycled paper INCREASES pollution by having separate "recycling" trucks pick up old paper and then the factories have to heavily process the paper to get it back into reusable form. And don't get me started on that stupid "but it makes great jobs" argument, because creating makeshift jobs for a pointless activity is equally dumb.
- Tyrghast, on 05/06/2008, -0/+2The green movement? Rather melodramatic, huh?
- SuicideMouse, on 05/06/2008, -0/+2While Europe also is a huge problem that doesn't mean his statement was false, though it was rather unnecessarily conceited.
- sweetholymosiah, on 05/06/2008, -0/+2HoratioHellpop you are living under a fascist regime right now!
- inactive, on 05/06/2008, -1/+3More like doing things the wrong way and wasting energy to make yourself feel better.
People like the idea of recycling, and have a hard time understanding that it usually costs more (in both money and enviromental impact) to recycle than to just throw stuff away. - akilleen, on 05/06/2008, -2/+4"You don't have to believe in the environment or global warming to embrace this approach."
As someone who doesn't believe that the environment exists, this is refreshing. - sparsely, on 05/06/2008, -1/+3Grow more hemp.
Thx. - mynameisrobert, on 05/06/2008, -1/+3I've been purchasing 100% recycled TP and PT for a while now.
That said, I think a well managed forestry process is GOOD for us. As trees need a true value attached to them or else no-one will put up the cash to ensure we have forests.
What I am against is poorly managed forests leading to devastation. We in North America are actually pretty good...the places to worry about are the places where China is buying its wood.
That is why I only buy furniture made in the USA or Canada. Yeah, it costs a bit more.
Do you see the pattern here? - Gemfinder, on 05/06/2008, -0/+2Tree farms are habitat. It doesn't matter whether it's virgin forest, old growth, second growth or planted. Maybe not bears and lynxes and elk, but birds, insects, burrowers, small mammals and reptiles make their homes in a forest. Any tree stand disrupted destroys biodiversity and wildlife habitat. Unless you want to live in mud, steel, glass and concrete...
- dropthehammer, on 05/06/2008, -0/+2sweet, finally. USA USA USA!
- sugarazor, on 05/06/2008, -0/+2There is no landfill problem. If we made a landfill that was about 50 miles, it would hold every bit of trash that Americans make for one thousand years. Any problem any individual state is having is because taxpayers likely don't want to pay for it because they think it'll be built on top of their home and they're going to smell it (they're not).
Recycling doesn't even solve the problem because it doesn't work. The only recycling that solves any problem is aluminum - it's better for the environment and there's money in it. That's the only one. Landfills are not the problem, they're strictly regulated and often provide the city with jobs, energy, and a place to put your trash (imagine that!). Don't believe the hype. - GoldenPearl, on 05/06/2008, -0/+2More recycled paper means less demand for new wood pulp. The pulp comes from forests and tree farms. With recycled paper we lower the amount of new inputs that need to be constantly pumped into the cycle. Using less trees means it is easier to choose where they come from, hopefully tree farms.
- kaelyiesta, on 05/06/2008, -0/+2I also would like to point out that the energy to run the mill isn't the only environmental concern. Transportation energy, as well as processing pollutants make me very skeptical, as it should for any true environmentalist.
Take a look at the pollutant creation in this so called 'green' paper mill: http://www.scorecard.org/env-releases/facility.tcl ...
I'm all for a clean environment and wasting less but feel good, non thinking environmentalism doesn't help anyone. Instead of just blindly praising factories like this, ask first if they really do produce less pollutants, and conserve more non renewable resources, and cause less entropy. Paper recycling is notorious for its amount of toxic waste creation. Added to that the cost of reclamation in energy and more pollutants, and you have yourself a building that actually does more harm than good. - MWeather, on 05/06/2008, -1/+3So we built all those nukes because we're not at war? I suppose the Berlin Wall was decoration? The Iron Curtain was for privacy? And Russia is out bestest friend now that it's a "democracy"?
- mimetic2, on 05/06/2008, -0/+2Google banana paper or coffee paper. 100% tree free and recycled. This isn't new.
- SuicideMouse, on 05/06/2008, -0/+2The U.S. Played it's part, but everyone (Educated) knows they weren't the "Winning Factor" that most Americans think they were.
http://worldwar2history.info/war/Allies.html - corbettkroehler, on 05/06/2008, -0/+2Green collar jobs are focused on the new technologies and techniques involved in living and working greener. For example: installing solar panels on a homeowner's roof requires specialized skills, usually multiple licenses. Being a solar installer is not a job which just anyone can do. Hence, this type of job often commands above-average wages and benefits. Another example is installing wind turbines. The technology and skills involved in that are quite similar to building, installing and maintain car and truck transmissions. So, as more Americans from the automotive sector lose their job, we can migrate them into wind energy, helping our country become more energy independent and keeping the wage base high.
- VinceNoir, on 05/06/2008, -1/+2@HoratioHellPop
Nah. Never liked the basement. I have a mold allergy. I was very happy in my second floor bedroom. Of course I haven't lived there for a very long time now. And I'm not really the sort of parent who would put my kid in the basement. She's perfectly content in her second floor bedroom in the house that I own. Any other gaffes you care to make? -
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