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- kalte, on 10/12/2007, -4/+52Wow, that's appalling. I wonder if those were homes owned by the people, or public housing. Either way, the tactics of hiring mercenaries to attack protesters is disgusting.
- xGORDOx, on 10/12/2007, -4/+41You simply cannot compare the two countries.
Yea, people here claim that Bush is a dictator and we live in a police state, but let's be honest, those are simply the complaints of a spolied populace.
Now, go ahead and complain about what I just said. Do it.
The fact you can, the fact you have the right to say what you want and believe what you want, and to shout those beliefs as loud as possible disprove that Bush is a dictator or we live in a police state.
Try that same ***** in China. - masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -17/+44@Keropipi:
If you're trying to
A.) Compare the U.S. to China or
B.) Justify what China is doing,
then you are an incompetant, ignorant man. - Mike.ohara, on 10/12/2007, -5/+29desc1:
What The Friken Hell?
You bigoted @#%$. that is the most contradictory and sickening thing I've read in a while.
"good riddance is all i can care to say, one less lowlife chinese that hates america"
You assume that those people who were evicted hate America? where the hell do yo get that from? and lowlife?? I'm not even going to begin to address that
"you whacko-libs like to support these typres of brutal regimes and dictators"
That is a serious contradiction to what you've already said... You support these "lowlife America haters" being tossed out on their arses, but you task liberals as to blame for supporting it? You just said you supported it, and by your writing you are certainly not liberal.. - WiseWeasel, on 10/12/2007, -8/+29This is a very informative video. It's interesting to see the thug mentality the Chinese government has when dealing with their own citizens. It really makes you think long and hard before doing business in China.
I would hope that Americans wouldn't stand for this type of oppression, but I have to ask myself if a similar situation wouldn't be possible here as well. Obviously, our government isn't geared for this kind of mass-opression, so it wouldn't work so well, combined with the volume of guns thankfully in the hands of the populace. I know many people here would not hesitate to use their guns if the government tried to take their homes without proper and generous compensation, and I would support them. - ICSU, on 10/12/2007, -4/+22And especially because the USA is far from being in the position to point at anybody and criticize them from moral point of view.
. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+21And the US will do nothing because China gives us how much in trade each year?
- gl00pp, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19desc you ***** troll
welcome to my ban list. have a seat. - Jolene, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19Houses have already been sized in the US, cause of a law that was passed (last year?) that lets city's take houses away from people and underpay them for it if the city believes it can put in businesses or other things that will produce more revenue for the city.
It happened here in Seattle awhile back. Like a whole street of houses were taken from people to build a monorail that was never built. So the city took the land and sold it off to businesses and made a few million where as the people who lost their homes made something like 15K when the land was worth so much more then that.
(I tried to find the law, but couldn't remember at all what it was called.)
I really hate whats going on in China. The country has so much potential to be a world power, and yet they abuse their own people in the process. The "protest" that was taped.. All that made me think of was a civil war.
"Human rights are more important then living." Very true... - canrocks, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18It was Skynews.....
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18It is possible, the supreme court made a ruling a couple years ago saying the government could do the EXACT same thing, if they could make more money developing the land then in property taxes they can seize the land.
- joeydoo, on 10/12/2007, -10/+23Sky News! I thought it was going to be a BBC report.
Sky News Murdock owned and is the sister of Fox News. - raabco, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13The US certainly does do something about this... They learn from it.
Google "eminent domain" and you'll see that very similar actions take place right here in the land of the 'free'. The only difference is that here in the US you will get paid for your property, but you still don't have a choice, no matter the amount you're offered in compensation. - Bamborzled, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15@desc1:
Your comment was the most incoherent piece of @#$% I've heard in a while. Where did you hear about liberals supporting this government? So, "come back when you have some FACTS, instead of wild temper tantrums." - crosswick, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11What an awful interpretation of such a large population of human beings, Jun 168. Why not find an answer that is compassionate to both them and us?
One way to start perhaps: acknowledge the fact that we as peoples, both are under the repressive influence of corporate law in one form or the other. In terms of mass psychology, have you seen Century of the Self yet?
Dammit, why not start building a decentralised form of social engineering that can be run as a peer-to-peer 'First Life' real-world game here in the West, that builds towards a 'PDA for the people' implementation. One that's backwards compatible with the current forms of government, business and banking laws, and is also distributable in China.
I'm sick of just watching this *****. Let's DO something constructive for goodness sakes. - GoClick, on 10/12/2007, -7/+16Can you imagine living under a government that detains people without trail for being a danger to the public?
One that spys on it's own people in the name of security?
Man what would it be like if the police beat people of religious/ethnic minorities (don't fool yourself not all Chinese are the same).
Can you imagine if ot were like that?
gosh... - interiot, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10The biggest issue in China is that you can't speak up politically, AT ALL. Even if the populace doesn't mind acquiescing on day-to-day issues (China isn't doing too badly for itself, after all, and different people have different political ideals), the fact that they can't speak up when a few of the worst decisions are made means that ultimately some families that are in the wrong place at the wrong time are going to get screwed, without recourse.
- Buelldozer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Man does this stuff infuriate me!
We're bashed on if we do nothing and yet a good chunk of the world screams about how we should mind our business and stay out of other countries affairs.
Which is it people, you can't have both! - ph33rm3, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11throughout the entire video i had a lump in my throat, this is absolutely terrible.
- exsst, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10This is what happens under a draconian government, complete ***** *****.
- Harbinger67, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7If you needed a video to make you realize that China is f*cking nuts, then you must be under a rock.
- Progression, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Ditto. How can you not feel for these people when they are being denied one of the basic necessities for living, SHELTER!
- geronimo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6When google, yahoo, cisco and everyone else, walmart even, think of doing business with China they must see this video. Even the US government is complicit, accepting their money to finance debt. Sick, and i don't care if their GDP is 10%.
- electronaught, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6if poor countries have an opportunity to advance themselves they will do so by any means. Just think of all the Asian and Indian from India students that come to the U.S. to study and they are like super smart....cause it's like either do nothing but study your whole life to get smart and advance yourself in life or be a poor product of your society like the rest of the people in your country...which would you choose? Just saying that if you look down into the future, in the long run, building new infastructure in these countries is a good thing, in the short term..in these over populated countries...people, humans, have to suffer..for the future..maybe there kids will have it a little better.
- Phyrefly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Finally a digg user with some common sense.
I'd love to see the communist party removed, but I wouldn't love to see China fall into disarray, having its progress stopped to a complete halt and never have another chance to develop like it is now. Just look at India.
When the country is financially and socially stable, and people are EDUCATED enough to not replicate the voting fiasco seen in the U.S., then yes, bring on democracy (emulating Scandinavia). Until then... - raid517, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6It ***** disgusting that our governments and our corporations are actively doing business with these people.
The lie we are told is that it is all about 'economic engagement' that somehow by engaging with them we are improving the lot of the ordinary Chinese citizen. The reality however is that it is all just about pure unadulterated greed - and that the only people who are truly benefiting, are those who always benefit - specifically, the rich, the powerful, the greedy and the corrupt.
But who cares really - just so long as the goods we buy stay nice and cheap? Who cares if our Apple Mac computers, PC's, our MP3 players and our Nike trainers are all subsidised with blood and misery? That's not something we want to think about, right? - geronimo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I don't think Americans are quite aware how each day in China there are pitched battles between the government and peasants struggling for land, clean living conditions and survival. I've been following this for awhile and this has been documented by the media for awhile(mainly by the Brits in The Economist). This is the first time I've seen it in video though - if we get more of these powerful videos, maybe we will change. Although we can't do much about China, we can stop selling them US treasuries while buying their cheap products. 99/100 people shopping at Walmart aren't aware just how bad things are in China.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7WiseWeasle makes an important point. When I saw this video I definitely thought "I am glad Americans have the right to keep and bear arms." An armed populace would make "land grabs" like this much more difficult.
- Jolene, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I apologize your lordship musicmantrs. The fact that my memory loses time is all my fault! Please! Order me to death so my gratuitous mistakes shall never take place again!
- LGgeek, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7U.S. government will not say anything because they are a wholly owned subsidiary of the global corporations. I have said it before anyone who oppresses peoples right to freedom of religion,speech,thought is my mortal enemy. I don't care how politically incorrect that is. If you shop at walmart you are part of the problem.
- ThinkBox, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I find it quite disturbing how everyone here sees this and the first thing they do is say - "well what is America going to do about this!?!" when in reality if America has literally NO jurisdiction to help these people. If we speak up, then what? We have to use the UN, and guess who is on the UN's Human Rights council? You can't raise the issue of imminent domain in human rights right in front of their faces, there are much great places of need than this to.
First thing people here want to do is link this with the faults of America." They should do something! Our government is hypocritical!!!" - Well how about you stop buying anything from China and give your money to aid programs... or is that just to hard for you? You ask your government to do it on a national scale, and you wont do it yourself.
My point isn't to attack anyone who buys things from China or doesn't help this situation. My point is - yes, we all care about this, and there is not much we can do. But waisting energy blaming it on our government is just plane absurd. Call your congressman if you are concerned, call your local news and tell them you want to hear more about this. Don't just bitch about this on digg. - Xeth, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Cities across China are undergoing massive redevelopment and eminent domain conflicts are very, very common. What you see are the few instances where people have refused to accept relocation/compensation.
As a Chinese national who has many friends and family in China, I don't know of anyone who lives in fear of getting beaten up by the police or getting thrown out of their homes. I do know a few people who were "forced" out of their old homes. They were always offered reasonable temporary housing, and when the new building was finished, they got a new, modern apartment/condo.
I am not trying to excuse the things on that video and they are appalling, but I am quite sure these situations are rare and the reporter is just cherry picking the worst for maximum shock value. A lot of tyranny and oppression happens in China because of corrupt local officials out to make a few bucks for themselves and frankly, I think the national leadership very aware of these issues and trying to correct them. - ZenMojo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Kelo v. New London. Read it.
China's ***** up, but the US has its own problems. - geronimo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Yup, those people are as good as gone.
- ThinkBox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3One more thing - This government is a democracy (no not completely, but legal terms is not what I'm getting at here) - the point is you DO have power over government actions. The problem is - we in America are lazy, which is why people develop special interest groups and lobbyists - they control the government more than the people - and its all because we just sit around and bitch about things and do nothing about it. Take back the democracy through action, not through complaining to yourself.
Remember, if you aren't speaking, then someone else is speaking for you. - Loie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3i've got no problem with highways and hospitals and other public applications. but now our government can take your land for PRIVATE use too, like for a corporate office building. that's ***** up.
- sofakinglazy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I'd like to add on more thing to this discussion, point your anger toward the Chinese communist party and not generalize the chinese population as rotten and evil please. I see a lot of kids here who seems to be ready to go and bash his/her chinese neighbor and I'd hate to see that happen.
One more thing, this is unfortunately extremely common among the developing nations, even in eastern european nations. But because of China's scale and political influence, this kind of things stands out more. And for those who thinks democracy is the solution to this problem, please refer to India. I can bet you anything India's poor is suffering just as much as the chinese, if not worse because of lack of infrastructure and powerful (albeit, sometimes corrupt and unjust) government. - kd1s, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Awhile back there was a video of the guy who got screwed over by corporate interests. His impotent rage manifested itself in a fully armored bulldozer. He then used this bulldozer to knock down the concrete company as well as the offices and homes of town government officials.
That got scarce attention in the msm, but if exploded on the web.
This is what happens when government forgets that it's of, by and for the people. This is even true in China, remember they call it the Peoples Republic of China after all. What a cruel joke. - macsa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I have lived in Beijing, China, for 7 years and yes this is a very big problem. Many think China is a communist, but nowadays it is more a capitalist country. The richer you are the more you got to say.. Only when there is mayhem(like SARS) you will see the communist power controlling the country..
- Xeth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Exactly, as corrupt and hypocritical as the Chinese communist party is, there really is no other path to a stable, prosperous, and democratic China 50 or 100 years down the road.
Democracy takes time - it took the US 150 years to enfranchise the female half of its voting-age population. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5why should the US have to be involved in the first place?
- Phyrefly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I think you're downplaying the issue a bit too much.
There were ~50,000 nation-wide protests last year, mostly by villagers whose land were seized and sold to developers by corrupt officials. The national leadership is aware, yes, but they can't do much about it. Why? Because the whole damned party is corrupt to the core. Should they send their lackeys to jail?
It's the price that must be paid for the current rate of development. Without an authoritarian government, more people would be much worse off. That's a fact that most China-bashers ignore. - Asianwaste, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3What I think is pretty ***** up is that a lot of these people say they get taken away for speaking up against their government yet appear on camera without so much as a blur over their faces.
- addzero, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3This IS relevant. We are supporting this crud!
Thanks Wal-mart!! Remember when Wal-mart was all about 'Buy USA'? ...and when supporting communism and tyranny was a bad thing?
Well, we don't even have to think about it while we're doing it now... low prices are just too good. Of course it's not just Wal-mart... Who doesn't buy goods from China? - Thex1138, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3This video demonstrates what it's like to be a slave, to live in fear.
Next time you buy something which says 'Made in China' is a thought...
Mind you the unseen poverty in North Korea is much worse! - chijim70, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2We openly do MASSIVE exploitive business with this country who does this to their own people (see Wal Mart for instance).
Welcome to what Bush REALLY means when he says "they hate us for our way of life". This is the "way of life" that terrorists hate us for. The fact that we monetarily support such oppressive regimes then hypocritically claim some global moral high ground.
Shows that for all the "christian family values" the neo cons supposedly have that their true god is $. - MrColdheart, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I thought it said Tranny for a sec
- ckying, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The only publicity China gets in the American news circuit is bad publicity. Go to China. See for yourself. It's no utopia but it's not a tyrannical police state either. I remember my first day of class, sophomore year in high school, my history teacher asked me where I was from. I told her China, and she replied, "Red China?" She said it with such an innocent smile like she expected me to say, "Oh, yeah. You know, the Communist one." It's almost funny how ignorant most people are about China. They think Communist, and they get all these cold war USSR ideas in their head. Anytime there's an expose on China, reporters go to the poorest little shack of a province and interview the oldest little grandma with as many scarves on her head. I think the Borat movie has showed us how much of a bigoted ignorant country the US can come off as if only the right people are interviewed, but we know that's not the whole picture. And it's the same with China. Yes, there's corruption. Yes, there's eminent domain. BUT that's now the whole picture.
And just as a side note:
My home state is Alabama. There'll be stories on the news about the state gov wanting to build a new highway, or a dome arena, or some commercial development, and there will always ALWAYS be some nay saying group of home owners trying to preserve the peace and tranquility of their suburbs. The result is that ***** gets built and there's no revenue to improve anything. - buildmorerobots, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3So sad. I hope the Beijing Olympics help to shed more light on these horrible injustices.
I wish this country would take a more consistent stand on helping countries gain democracy and human rights.
I think this is something worth fowarding to my senators. They may never see it, but if people don't share the information, even less will happen.
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm - jcarrion1976, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"And especially because the USA is far from being in the position to point at anybody and criticize them from moral point of view."
WTF?!? You are an idiot. If only persons that have never made mistakes where allowed to speak out then nothing would ever be said.
No one is 100 percent right all the time nor 100 percent moral. But that doesn't excuse you from learning from your mistakes, trying to be a better person and creating a better world... countries and governments included. -
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