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- lydecker, on 10/17/2009, -5/+113No way, I really can't be hearing this.
They're suing because nobody forced him to NOT be open??? You don't intervene when people are being who they are, you intervene when people are harassing others for who they are.
You DO NOT need to tone down any feminine behavior, whether the child is boy or girl. Being sexually aggressive, however, should be toned down, of course - dtfinch, on 10/18/2009, -4/+102So, his parents hate him, and kick him out of the house for being gay, forcing him to live in a homeless shelter, then he's killed by someone who feels exactly the same towards gays as his parents, and rather than blame the killer, his parents see an opportunity to profit from the death of their gay son while making life harder on other gays at the same time by suing the shelter and school for not sharing the same hatred towards gays as them and the killer?
- bonjourmr, on 10/18/2009, -8/+91She has massive breasts.
- Subduction, on 10/18/2009, -4/+68This is an example of a family that cannot cope with having a gay family member even after his death.
The suit is like having a daughter who was raped, and suing the school "for not keeping her from having it coming."
There isn't one part of this story that isn't very sad. - anotherjack, on 10/18/2009, -3/+57The kid was living in a shelter for abused and neglected children. I'm not sure I give a ***** what his father says.
- captininsanity, on 10/18/2009, -5/+58How about doing something about people the feel like they need to shoot someone because their gay!
- EMFK, on 10/17/2009, -4/+35King's parents don't want him to become the poster boy for gay rights from an interview I read not too long ago. Larry's father believed that Larry was "sexually harassing" the shooter. We will probably never know the truth, but this lawsuit should be dismissed.
- anotherjack, on 10/18/2009, -0/+28She's just trying to be professorial in tone. If you want to be a tattooed rockabilly with Bettie Page hair, you have to talk very solemnly to be taken seriously.
- Subduction, on 10/18/2009, -1/+24And a voice that rivals rohypnol in inducing unconsciousness.
- Subduction, on 10/18/2009, -0/+21Unfortunately, that part I understand.
Walking around junior high school as a feminine male is like walking around Baghdad shouting "Praise Jesus," but it is up to us to make sure our schools are not like Baghdad. - Amadeus2490, on 10/18/2009, -3/+21Someone PLEASE correct me if i'm wrong, but from what I understand, Lawrence King wasn't killed only "because he was gay"; He was killed because he was telling everyone that he was having sex with a straight boy, and he repeatedly asked him to stop. The boy went nuts and decided that it'd somehow be a good idea to murder King in cold blood after he was given a Valentine's Day card in front of everyone.
So again, I express full sympathies toward King, and I believe that his murder was senseless and unjustified, but would it be fair to say that it happened more because it was a case of pissing off an idiot, and not so much "simply because he was gay"? I'm just wondering if it really even NEEDS to be a Civil Rights thing in the first place; Straight people get jealous or heartbroken and wind up killing someone their wife is cheating with, as one mock example, but we just punish the individual(s) for the crime and move on, we don't say that it's an issue for ALL straight people.
::prepares for ***** storm:: - anotherjack, on 10/18/2009, -2/+20What the parents really want to say is - "How come you let our kid be so gay? We didn't let him be gay! That fate was not what we wanted for him. Now the gayness has killed him." Maybe because they believe that all of society is hostile and the only way to survive is to pretend you aren't gay, all the time, and start young. They think it's dangerous to be gay, that it attracts hate and must be hidden. It's like, what if you could hide that you were black? Wouldn't you do it? Maybe just so you can get jobs and not be pulled over and get a taxi? The parents don't understand about identity. Sexuality is not some external force - it was inside the boy, showing at puberty, like it does for all of us. You can't seperate the person from who they are, and if you try, you make them crazy. The closet isn't the answer.
It's not dangerous to be gay. It can be really dangerous to be easily identified as gay, in an anti-gay culture. It's the culture that needs to shift, or these little gay kids will keep getting picked off.
If you are openly gay, you are exposed to heavy ridicule and contempt, if not violence. If you are a gay child, just at puberty, and you show any interest in another child ( which is part of growing up ) you hold them up to the same ridicule and contempt. Whether the other child is gay or not, interested or not, all the homophobia comes crashing down on them too. You could be beaten every day from here on out. You might never be dated, or liked again. Social status is all that matters to a teenager.
I'm not saying that Lawrence had any interest in the boy who killed him - it might be that the killer was fighting some internal gayness himself, or proving something, but whatever the cause, I am betting that it was homophobic pressure and not a grudge of any other kind, and now his life is over too. At 14. It's a damned shame. Masen Davis, executive director of the Transgender Law Center said, this: “more and more kids are coming out in junior high school and expressing gender different identities at younger ages.”“Unfortunately,” he added, “society has not matured at the same rate.” The gunman, identified by the police as Brandon McInerney, “is just as much a victim as Lawrence,” said Davis, “He’s a victim of homophobia and hate.” Prosecutors charged Brandon as an adult with murder as a premeditated hate crime and gun possession. If convicted, he faces a sentence of 52 years to life in prison. - InfernoX, on 10/18/2009, -1/+18I'd like to see you defend yourself from a gun with your bare hands.
- imkookoo, on 10/18/2009, -3/+20You are correct... school is a place for learning for children, but it is not ONLY for children to learn arithmetic, science, etc. It's also for them to learn to deal with other people and learn that people come from all backgrounds. Those lessons are just as important (if not more) than what they learn in class. So, students should be however they want to be as long as they don't harm others. Therefore if the kid wants to be effeminate, they should have every right to do so -- as a side, his femininity is just how he is as a person, it was not really a choice he was making -- you try changing your attitude, way you talk, and your interests for a day .. it's not the easiest thing to do, is it?
Anyway, the story didn't mention anything about this kid interrupting class and screaming out I'M GAY! I'M GAY! Did it? Did the lady say he was loudly applying make-up and yelling out "HeeeEEy girl!" in class? I mean, these examples are ridiculous, but so is the thought that that his femininity is detracting other kids studying. If just his presence is making another kid not wanting to learn because he's bothered by thoughts of "OH, LOOK AT THAT *****.. I'M GOING TO KICK HIS ASS AFTER CLASS"... It's not the feminine kid has to be forced to be something he is not to prevent the other kid from having those thoughts. It's the other kid needs to learn to deal with feminine guys! He should have to learn how to be more tolerant of them, because he probably will have to in the future in a career or other social setting. - anotherjack, on 10/18/2009, -0/+17If, at 14, you chose living in a shelter over living in your home, to me, that's pretty damning as regards the kid's assessment of his parents. The lawsuit doesn't help them look good, either.
- corruption07, on 10/18/2009, -0/+15Yeah, acting like a ***** and then laughing at people for calling you a ***** is a pretty worthwhile and hilarious endeavor. Better strike while the iron's hot.
- bardamuclichy, on 10/18/2009, -0/+15The old 'say something stupid and then pretend you were just trolling' defense eh?
- Stupidumb, on 10/18/2009, -0/+15yeah
- WalkerTXclocker, on 10/18/2009, -2/+15*They're
- sporkman, on 10/18/2009, -3/+16As sad as this is, I cannot focus on anything but her boobs.
- Surkit, on 10/18/2009, -1/+14Wait, I don't have all the facts, but did she say his parents are suing the shelter he was living at, for not protecting him? Shouldn't he have been at home then? If they could have protected him, why was he at a homeless shelter?
- Subduction, on 10/18/2009, -0/+13Not all shelters are homeless shelters.
He was adopted when he was two, was convicted of theft and vandalism, and after alleging that his adoptive father abused him he was placed in Casa Pacifica, a group home and treatment center for severely emotional disturbed children.. - MaddieCakes, on 10/18/2009, -1/+12My sentiments exactly. I'm not sure how being a feminine male is 'dangerous behavior.'
- TonyLocNE, on 10/18/2009, -1/+12*that
- nepidae, on 10/18/2009, -1/+12Clearly we need to fight intolerance with knee-jerk irrational behavior.
- bubbachuck, on 10/18/2009, -0/+10that's not King in the thumbnail
- newms32, on 10/18/2009, -0/+10"The civil suit is very much a family affair, it names Lawrence's little brother, Rocky, as a plaintiff along with his mother and father, reinforcing the image of a nuclear unit consolidating itself in defense of one of its own."
Google's *****-to-English translator says they're looking for cash. - Joker99352, on 10/18/2009, -5/+13How many stories like these will have to be written before people open their goddamn eyes? What kind of a world do we live in where self expression is encouraged, and then people turn the situation around to shift the blame?
- MikedaSnipe, on 10/18/2009, -8/+16He should have gotten one of these for protection.
http://www.glamguns.com/hk47.jpg - smpaisnutrients, on 10/18/2009, -1/+9is that kim jong il in the thumbnail?
- mimigins, on 10/18/2009, -0/+8That's when you call the cops and file a noise complaint. Or maybe that's just me and my rabble-rousing.
- Mujokan, on 10/18/2009, -0/+8No. 1 on the "Why did this happen?" list would be the dysfunctional homes both kids grew up in.
I understand rage when you're deliberately disrespected. How you deal with it is down to the personality you've ended up with. Last night my neighbors were playing loud music after 1am and my girlfriend couldn't sleep though she had to get up really early. I went and asked them nicely to turn it down, and they turned it up. I feel like killing someone but I think I can deal with it. - bardamuclichy, on 10/18/2009, -2/+9Everybody is a victim? Yeah, somehow I think getting show in the head is a lot worse than receiving a Valentine's card from a gay kid.
- lydecker, on 10/18/2009, -0/+6He wasn't raised or learned to be who he is.
- bardamuclichy, on 10/18/2009, -0/+6@subduction: When I was in the Army, we had a couple of guys that acted effeminate in our unit, but were well liked. One we were all quite sure was bisexual, but he was still a popular guy with fellow enlisted, nco's and officers. The other guy wasn't gay(as far as I know), but simply talked with a lisp and liked to dance all the damn time. There was also another very effeminate guy that got out before I arrived at the unit who was well liked. After getting out, he told people from the unit that he was gay(and I don't mean just recently). Now, on the other hand, if some of these guys had started trying to put a move on certain people in our unit, I don't things would have ended well. Anyway, my point is that you can't blame the actions of ***** on the environment.
- lydecker, on 10/18/2009, -0/+6I'd agree with you in theory. I don't know really any specific example of how someone could be feminine to the point of distraction, but if an example were to crop up I might side with you.
I don't think natural gender identity is something anyone is ever distracted by, and I doubt even transgendered individuals are any more feminine than feminine girls are.
Children of course cannot do whatever they want, and specific distracting behaviors (not mannerisms) that are so regardless of what individual is doing them I could see being asked to be toned down acceptably.
The examples in the quote above, screaming out, applying excessive make-up in class, etc. are unacceptable already in class... but then aren't really acts of "being feminine" but more related to femininity. - Swipecat, on 10/18/2009, -0/+6To the right of the "save changes" button below the edit window there's a "delete" button.
- ShingoEX, on 10/18/2009, -1/+7Another 9 year old to add to my "Digg users who aren't worth the air they breathe".
- Subduction, on 10/18/2009, -0/+5@bard:
I do understand what you're saying, but unfortunately it's often the actions of the few ***** that *define* the environment.
And I'm sure you can see the problem with using the Army as an example of fairness when it comes to how we treat GLBT people. :-)
Although the picture you paint is as many of us not in the Army have suspected -- that the rank and file would have no problem with GLBT people in their midst, because they're the ones that know they're already there. Its the leadership that needs to allow policy to catch up with reality. - lydecker, on 10/18/2009, -1/+6And public schools are not indoctrinating children at all. Public schools will continue to teach facts, and many current events as well. No public school teaches values other than those which facilitate a healthy learning environment.
- Vestar, on 10/18/2009, -3/+8Yeah, like other people have stated, he wasnt just killed for being gay, but for sexually harrassing a straight boy after being told to stop and then publicly humiliating him. I find it very ironic that everyone is complaining that the parents are using the terrible situation for financial gain, when this entire video is using the situation for publicity. I have nothing against gay people and i don't support what the parents are doing, but it isn't that black and white. People on both sides of the aisle are using this kids death to their advantage.
- TwiceHephaestus, on 10/18/2009, -0/+4It's 15 year old angst, gay or straight, in a country where: A) for most of the population, being gay is a terrible bad thing apparently, and B) guns are easily obtainable.
- lydecker, on 10/18/2009, -1/+5I'm not mistaken. Why should the male react differently in both situation, when his sexuality is the same? He shouldn't. I'm not equivocating anything, I'm not saying the masculine male should behave like a feminine female.
I specifically compared someone being hit on by a male to someone being hit on by a female. You seem to be saying a sexual come on from either has been seen as an attempt by the one to assert dominance over the other. So should anyone being hit on come to the conclusion that they are the less dominant in the courtship? No.
There is nothing that needs to be defended because you're hit on. - lydecker, on 10/18/2009, -3/+7If someone believes their masculinity is threatened by being wooed by males who appreciate masculine men and not by women, they are most definitely feeling a sense of homophobia. There is nothing that needs to be defended because you're hit on.
My favorite approach was from the TV show Glee:
Kurt- Finn! I needed to ask you something.
Finn- Thanks, but I already have a date to the prom. But I'm flattered, I know how important dances are to teen gays. - IMustBeEmo, on 10/18/2009, -0/+4I see your point, but it's more than intolerance. It's criminal, unacceptable, and unforgivable. They threw their child away because they didn't like the way he turned out. These are the bottom of the rung, the absolute scum of society and I see nothing irrational about punishing them to the fullest extent of the law. I've met cockroaches that were more rational and loving than these sick people who call themselves parents.
- lydecker, on 10/18/2009, -0/+4"By stating how disgusting Normal displays of affection [by heterosexuals as opposed to homosexuals] are you are a racist."
What does that have to do with RACE? What race is he prejudiced against?
Oh, I get it, you're being sarcastic like amoirae was too.... right? - TreeWalker, on 10/18/2009, -0/+4Did you see her boobies?
- shedtroll, on 10/18/2009, -0/+4"King was adopted at age two by Gregory and Dawn King. His biological father had abandoned his wife, and his mother was a drug addict who failed to care for her son properly." ~Wikipedia
Which parents are we talking about? His foster parents or Biological parents.
I mean seriously, in effect they're suing a school and a shelter for something Neither Lawrence nor the school or the shelter could do anything about, Lawrence's Sexuality and gender expression. The kid who fired the bullet is to ***** blame, not Lawrence or the authorities!
It seems his parents were just as homophobic and transphobic as his killer. - piieerrrree, on 10/18/2009, -0/+4This is one of the longest coherent sentences I've read on Digg.
- lydecker, on 10/18/2009, -0/+4Thanks for bringing up your concerns.
I didn't hear he was telling everyone that he was having sex with a boy, whom repeatedly asked him to stop. I would treat this as all sexual harassment, of course, and sexual harassment needed to stop.
Giving someone a valentine however is perfectly fine and normal.
I think the important difference between this and your mock example is to note where sexual orientation played a role. If a female had been doing this, would the student feel similarly compelled to shoot her upon receiving a Valentine? I don't think so. -
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