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naomiklein.org — By Alfonso Cuar ón, director of "Children of Men". In THE SHOCK DOCTRINE, Naomi Klein explodes the myth that the global free market triumphed democratically. Exposing the thinking, the money trail and the puppet strings behind the world-changing crises and wars of the last four decades

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  • SeethisPass, on 11/19/2007, -9/+32Are you afraid of todays world?
    You have had a lot of help becoming afraid and this video is for you.
    • HerrEisenheim, on 11/19/2007, -8/+6Everyone knows the only way to overcome shock is to watch shock videos that tell you how shocked you are. That's the #1 rule of viral internet *****.
    • Scumbunny, on 11/19/2007, -2/+7The Shock Doctrine concept is rather Machiavellian in it's context, as even he said a ruler should set out to do all his evil deeds at once, rather than over time.
  • statikuz, on 11/19/2007, -29/+4Needs to be a new section for all this stuff to go into - not "educational videos."
  • Dested, on 11/19/2007, -20/+10I just finished this and it was actually pretty good.

    Granted I am kinda high.
  • themastersb, on 11/19/2007, -8/+37The CIA does so much harm and the source of so many problems. It should be abolished.
    • hiphoc, on 11/19/2007, -8/+3ummmm.... Ron Paul?
    • Bigryan, on 11/19/2007, -1/+3An item worthy of debate. But just to point out your logical fallicy:
      cars do much harm and are the source of many problems. Should they be abolished?

      You would have to be able to state that the CIA does more harm than good. Which is difficult because a lot of what they do is unknown.

      To me the reason the CIA should be abolished is because it is not working for the people but rather for the politicians. When the government intelligence agency found out about the perl harbour attacks they didn't warn the people. How can we trust that other information that the public DESERVES is not hidden.
    • theMcPatriot, on 11/19/2007, -1/+1They'd just hire on Blackwater full-time.
  • hulez, on 11/19/2007, -13/+8Some people can overcome shock, that word is courage.
    Only through rational thinking can one achieve this.
    911 may have unsettled many people but I for one maintained a cool head.
    • Swanston, on 11/19/2007, -4/+2Shock didn't get people to vote Bush in for a second term, which is why I think this video is complete and utter *****. It's just another Internet AMATEUR video with creepy music in the background with a monotone narrator saying the most redundant crap I've ever heard of.
      These videos do the same as what they're fighting against, for example, watching this video and believing it word for word will make your more fearful.
  • rocknroll4ever, on 11/19/2007, -10/+4 REALITY
  • airwalkery2k, on 11/19/2007, -9/+25Wow, that's practically a brief history on all the crap happening around us.
  • Pinkertinkle, on 11/19/2007, -17/+6Omgz0rs conspuiracy1!11!
  • Vst_kills, on 11/19/2007, -22/+2***** this *****, I submitted this like a ***** month ago.!!!1 -Go check my profile
  • plat0, on 11/19/2007, -2/+19this is part of a new paradigm in pubishing...video trailers for books....craaaazy
  • Cerebron, on 11/19/2007, -15/+8Sure, shock theory is creepy and has been used by many to seize power and to push through what would otherwise be unthinkable laws, but what does this have to do with the free market? Do you really think the people making billions want an actual free market? Figure out who the real enemy is, paranoid nutjob.
  • dkmj17, on 11/19/2007, -24/+28Seriously... "educational videos"?... come on... Look, please stop trying to pass this kind of nonsense off as informative. There are plenty of interesting and relevant ways to critique any sociopolitical topic like open market economics, but this grossly fails. At the start of the video I figured the message had to do with government uses of torture or something... but no... it's (humorously enough) using the message that fear drives people to think irrationally to try to get the viewer scared about power so that we think irrationally and listen to the author... man... that'll throw your mind for a loop. How about this, save a lot of time and effort... read things written by people who know what they are talking about... oh... and if that freaks you out... just wait a few months and Starcraft II will be out so you'll have something better to do...
    • londubh, on 11/19/2007, -0/+1should be a political category. hmm.... it is a very scary video though.
  • mattewood, on 11/19/2007, -3/+18Naomi Klein presented a great speech to the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives, regarding the Shock Doctrine. The video can be viewed off their website:

    http://www.policyalternatives.ca/Naomi_Klein_Video ...

    It's truly fascinating and everyone should read the book Shock Doctrine!
  • atdigg, on 11/19/2007, -15/+17What a crap! Linking Friedman ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Friedman ) to that CIA crap is ludicrous.
    • StellarlyAstral, on 11/19/2007, -6/+6Agreed.
    • ploke, on 11/19/2007, -2/+3read it first. you will find that the collusion runs deeper than you think.
    • emc86, on 11/19/2007, -2/+3Go read a book about Friedman and Pinochet in Chile. What a Crap!
    • Mardala, on 11/19/2007, -4/+7If you actually used your brain a little bit you would realize that its a metaphorical connection from the shock perspective. Also its kind of a trailer and we all know how deep trailers go.
      But Friedman's economics weighs on a lot of our foreign policy. If you take a look at what happened in South and Central America from the 70's and 80's the CIA had quite a party putting US backed people into office, people like Pinochet, who basically ran their countries into the dirt, sold out their natural resources to US corporations and commited attrocities on their citizens. So yes you can in a way link Friedman to the CIA.
      • WhiteRaven, on 11/20/2007, -1/+1What the ***** does despots running countries into the ground and plundering resources (backed by the CIA or otherwise) have to do with Friedman? None of the ideas Friedman promoted are compatible with that kind of crap.
    • Randinn, on 11/19/2007, -1/+1Read the book then you can make another throw-away comment....
    • Stevethegreat, on 11/19/2007, -1/+4Demonizing Friedman? A bad move indeed. Friedman never had a go to today's world or we would live in a lot better world. We was pro-small government, a true Libertarian, he believed that every human must be free to choose and he would surely be against the regulation of ones intellect. He believed that a free society would thrive through its system and never due to certain people. He was pretty much against anything that was undermining civil rights.

      By portraying him as the Satan's spawn makes me question the short film's director's integrity, he can disagree as he like with Friedman but making him to be the bad guy not only is dangerous but can potentially drive people to the real bad guys. Kill our intellectuals once again and we're dead in the water.

      Or better yet, he may indeed be Devil's spawn, but read for once his books, I don't care what he counseled to Reagan or what not, I don't care what kind of person he may had been, I only care for his words of wisdom. A truly free unregulated market is not an extremist's view, it's nature's law and a great state to be in if it was ever truly realized, of course -to work- it needs aware citizens that would go for the best of their interest within the bounds of the law at any given time.
      • exegesisClique, on 11/19/2007, -2/+2*belief* in the free market is as stupid as belief in pure socialism.
        Marx and later Milton are the same, they are were the demagogues of two different religious viewpoints.
        In the end the benefits of socialism and free market capitalism are wishful religious thinking. In every case the implementation of either has lead to torture, increased poverty, the dismantling of the middle class, and dehumanizing the poor.
        In the end our only hope is the same as it has been. An open government run by the people for the people with a moderately regulated economy.
        • WhiteRaven, on 11/20/2007, -1/+2The free market is superior to socialism in every way and this primarily because it is formulated around the nature of living things rather than being formulated in opposition to it as socialism is.

          Life is greedy. People are living things and hence are greedy. In this sense, greed means that we desire to live in some level of comfort. Also, because we evolved along with other animals in an environment where the next meal was never guaranteed, we are biologically conditioned to hoard and take more than we need.

          The free market system takes into account and indeed relies on basic human nature. Free trade is the expression of our inherent instincts. The collectivism of the socialist ideal is contrary to those instincts and thus can not work. We can not behave in a way contrary to our nature.
  • noremacstew, on 11/19/2007, -3/+27very interesting video. a lot of people i know need to see this.
    gonna have to call the creators out, though: don't employ the same technique that you're assailing. so many graphic depictions of torture and war, along with rapid-fire facts that pass by too fast to read or check in historical context, are merely tools to get us [the viewers] to lower our guard and become more receptive to what they're saying. kinda riding the fence, don't you think?
    • 01l0, on 11/19/2007, -4/+4its effective. kinda proving a point, don't you think?
      • ahoyhoy, on 11/19/2007, -1/+4Exactly. She isn't attempting to rally us against a cause; only to make us aware. Using the tool she calls out only makes make it better.
        • Stevethegreat, on 11/19/2007, -1/+2Aware of what? That Free markets are not democratic? So me a regulated market that it IS democratic, oh wait there is none. In fact there are no true free markets here, we only have corporations destroying the free market and giving the oligarchs the power. It's evil to say that regulation is freedom, it;s like saying that war is peace. I don't care for your ideas, I only care for your arguments to support them.....
    • kalleanka, on 11/19/2007, -1/+1I agree to 100%. I reacted several times on that during the video they showed so much text that disappeared so quickly that I didn't get what the point was.
    • jeliel, on 11/19/2007, -0/+2Also it's difficult to resume in a small video the encyclopedic volume that is The Shock Doctrine, Consider it a trailer for a book. Read the book and once you are done changing your shorts come back and comment on the book. Everyone should read the book.
  • Comatose51, on 11/19/2007, -0/+10Naomi Klein is also famous for "No Logo".
  • HerrEisenheim, on 11/19/2007, -3/+3I thought this was going to be something cool about the CIA at first.
    Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.
  • yogione, on 11/19/2007, -6/+14Good interviews with Ms. Klein on Democracy Now. This stuff IS educational. Granted this preview was aimed at the short attention span crowd, but there is the book and other good material coming from Ms. Klein. Also to be viewed are the Zeitgeist movie, the 911 truth movies which look behind the scenes and study the historical trends and scientific data to help unveil what the owners of the Federal Reserve and the International Banking conglomerates are actually doing to the world we live in. All free now on google videos. Use the internet while it still has some freedom left in it!
    All good responsible parents should make sure their teenagers learn these things so they aren't fooled by the lies of nationalism, polluterism, consumerism and religion. Endless wars and RFID chips for the masses are NOT the way we should be building our future.
    • Swanston, on 11/19/2007, -2/+1Holy ***** did this guy actually get more than 3 diggs?
      "Also to be viewed are the Zeitgeist movie, the 911 truth movies which look behind the scenes and study the historical trends and scientific data to help unveil what the owners of the Federal Reserve and the International Banking conglomerates are actually doing to the world we live in."
      Go put on your tin foil hat in your meter thick lead walled room and google more retarded conspiracy theories.
  • DocOrpheus, on 11/19/2007, -4/+14Great introductory video for those interested in the topic. I recommend all read the book. Makes the video absolutely tame. Any book given high marks by the likes of Seymour Hersh, Chalmers Johnson, and Studs Terkel is worth every bit of your time.
  • FTLJohnson, on 11/19/2007, -16/+22Ya know why there is the hard lines edges... and the spray paint look? Seen that style before?
    Yeah, this is a socialist propaganda piece.

    Here are some OTHER quotes by and about Milton Friedman

    "Reliance on the freedom of people to control their own lives in accordance with their own values is the surest way to achieve the full potential of a great society." -- Milton & Rose Friedman in Free To Choose (1980)

    I want people to take thought about their condition and to recognize that the maintainence of a free society is a very difficult and complicated thing and it requires a self-denying ordinance of the most extreme kind. It requires a willingness to put up with temporary evils on the basis of the subtle and sophisticated understanding that if you step in to do something about them you not only may make them worse, you will spread your tentacles and get bad results elsewhere. --Milton Friedman in an Interview with Richard Heffner on The Open Mind (7 December 1975)

    "I say thank God for government waste. If government is doing bad things, it's only the waste that prevents the harm from being greater. " -- Milton Friedman in Interview with Richard Heffner on The Open Mind (7 December 1975)

    "Milton Friedman was never a politician. He could never make things happen. He could only explain why they should, and let us decide. But still, to a large degree because of him, the world is a different, and better, place." -- Brian Doherty, senior editor, Reason magazine

    "Few American economists have wielded as much influence on economic thought and policy as the late Milton Friedman. He was an articulate and ardent advocate of free markets and personal liberty." -- Hans F. Sennholz, Ludwig von Mises Institute

    See, these sicko collectivists want to make you think that people like Friedman are part of the violent thuggery of those politicians akin to Bush's ilk. It's simply not true... It's Socialism, Communism, and Collectivism which are the philosophical and political mentalities that require the use or threat of VIOLENT FORCE in order to maintain their doctrine. They call it their rule of law, but those that believe in freedom wonder why the sickos want so many laws and rules that interfere in the lives of people who simply want to be be peacefully left alone. Why do these big government freaks need to tax, socialize, and collectivize their way into the lives of every working individual who would rather have the freedom to decide what to do with their own paycheck, rather than having politicians spend it for them?

    You collectivists STILL haven't figured it out. Free Markets ARE NOT the problem. The PROBLEM is that businesses have become CORPORATIONS, and CORPORATIONS are entities of GOVERNMENT. The Big Gov Gang is spreading it's control and force as far as it can reach.

    ‘Government is not reason. Government is not eloquence. It is force, and like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.’ -- George Washington

    "If you lived in a log cabin, you’d require fire for your survival. You’d use the fire to heat your home and to cook your food. Fire is such a necessary part of your survival that you’d create a special place for fire. It is called a fireplace. Government is necessary for our survival. We need government in order to survive. The Founding Fathers created a special place for government. It is called the Constitution. Anytime the fire is in the fireplace, it is a good fire. Anytime a fire gets outside of the fireplace, it is a bad fire. Conversely, anytime the government stays within the limits of the Constitution, it is a good government. Anytime the government is outside the Constitution, it is a bad government, and it is time to stomp it out." -- Michael Badnarik

    Yes, this post is probably too long, and yes it will probably get buried... but If I have made a point to even one person who was blindly following a collectivist doctrine who can understand the principle that "The INITIATION of FORCE is never acceptable for political or social gains" then I feel I have helped in some fashion to make the world a little bit of a better place...
    • Mardala, on 11/19/2007, -5/+7Their is one big factor in having a free society that needs to be addressed and that is GREED. Until a society can humanely deal with their GREED, even in these so-called free societies they are far from free. The Neo cons can push their privatization agenda to the point of starting WWIII, but no matter the end result its about GREED. If you really want to live the dream life the Neocons have planned out, then go ahead, but when there is high unemployment and little or no social structure and the Neocons own all the wealth I wouldn't call it a free society. Look at all the BS the US backed in South and Central America. These countries are still recovering from the Disaster Capitalism that NK talks about. Do you really want to see the US get privatized?
      • WhiteRaven, on 11/20/2007, -1/+2Greed is a basic element of biologic life. The free market is both compatible with and makes use of this trait.

        Greed is *necessary* to life. It's what keeps us striving.

        All progress in human history has been driven by greed.

        The free market and the greed of individuals guarantees that neither "Neocons" nor anyone else will EVER own so much wealth that others suffer. Wealth is *earned*. Do you not understand that? Rich people aren't rich because they steal or cheat... they generate that wealth. And the fact that they have that wealth does not represent the slightest harm to anyone else. "Wealth" is not a black hole, it is always a part of the economy. The wealth owned by a rich person is in fact sitting in the pockets of the common worker or the employer because it is inevitably *invested* somewhere.

        Your post is nonsense. Employment is a product of the entire population existing and needing goods and services. It's not possible to have a large number of people unemployed because the mere existence of those people guarantees a demand for labor both skilled and unskilled.
      • Mardala, on 11/20/2007, -0/+2I am talking about the greedy and power that has consumed our whole political system. Its not fair democracy nor is it fair capitalism. Its lust for power. Nothing else. How can you say that in this country the super rich are rich because they earned it? They bought it and they have friends that help them get there. I am not saying every rich person didn't earn their money, I am talking about the people who run this country. They are filthy rich, they are greedy and they don't care what happens to this country as long as they can squeeze every dollar out of it they can. Haven't you noticed this super micro economy that has been built by Haliburton, KBR, Blackwater etc... you think any of them had any competition when it came to billion dollar bids? Real true capitalism there ... no bid contracts with your taxpayer money and getting charged 100x's for work that is half-assed. That is greed and that is exactly what I am talking about.
        • WhiteRaven, on 11/20/2007, -1/+1Your accusation are disjointed nonsense. Yes, Haliburton and Blackwater have *earned* all that they have. The problem is, you don't like their *methods*.

          Wealth can't be "bought", that is an absurd notion. Wealth can be garnered through *investment* but that is a form of earning. But of course, what you meant to imply by "bought" is some kind of political corruption. Since no such corruption exists, your implication is invalid.

          The companies you despise provide goods and services just like everyone else... don't let your hate cloud your ability to reason.

          The people who "run this country" gain their position as a result of some kind of merit. The fact that you might not consider those traits meritorious is irrelevant... your subjective opinion is not the arbiter of truth.
    • theMcPatriot, on 11/19/2007, -1/+3"Socialism, Communism, and Collectivism which are the philosophical and political mentalities that require the use or threat of VIOLENT FORCE in order to maintain their doctrine.'

      Unlike Capitalism? Go ask someone from Chile or Argentina how peaceful capitalism is.
      • WhiteRaven, on 11/20/2007, -1/+3You miss the point. It is *impossible* to have any kind of socialism without using force to seize the products of labor and creativity. Capitalism never seizes anything and thus needs no force.

        You are confusing the actions necessary to make socialist stop *their* use of force with the actual practice of capitalism.
    • Seeker135, on 11/20/2007, -1/+1Good to know that when they go to round us up, there'll be a couple of guys willing to fight.
    • jeliel, on 11/22/2007, -0/+1"A witty saying proves nothing" - Voltaire
  • caeser5786, on 11/19/2007, -12/+4what a load of crap!! did that video just view the Soviet Union as a good thing? but seriously, the video was made by a bunch of socialist that are pissed off at the west and will use any means necessary to get their agendas across. whether its making a video about shocking people in order to shock people with Marxist propaganda, or just ignoring things done by their precious leftist leaders with an excellent track record for democracy (like Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro, the good 'ol USSR, etc., etc., etc.,). i could go on and on about this video, but i choose not to on the grounds that i just finished a quarter of college in which i wrote a ***** ton of papers, and i'm sick of writing some seven page essay on some BS like the othismos in Greek warfare.
    • Delphium226, on 11/19/2007, -0/+1"did that video just view the Soviet Union as a good thing? " eh? what video were you watching?
  • logandurand, on 11/19/2007, -6/+18This video hit the nail on the head in showing how shocking events are often exploited, but it completely fell apart when it brought up Friedman and the free market. What could that possibly have to do with this? If anything, shocking events are exploited to take away freedoms, not grant them.
    • sjmorton, on 11/19/2007, -4/+9What makes you think that the "free market" has anything to do with individual freedom? The free market is a code word which actually means a system for enslaving the masses to their corporate masters.
      • Swanston, on 11/19/2007, -4/+2I laughed out loud at your comment, because it just reeks of ignorance and paranoia.
        You are not controlled because you just wrote that message, and you can attempt to go as far as you want with that message in this world but to me and many other people that message is "I'm an insane pissed off conspiracy theorist".
        • sjmorton, on 11/19/2007, -3/+6Who said anything about a conspiracy? It's right out there in the open. You can't be so naive as to believe that the "free" in "free market" applies to you and me. Grow up and open your eyes.
          • WhiteRaven, on 11/20/2007, -1/+2I AM FREE. I "believe" in the free market because it is a fact that everyone in America lives every day. Give us a single example of how the free market system is not free. What is forced on anyone?
          • sjmorton, on 11/20/2007, -1/+2You're dreaming if you think we have a free market. That would imply absence of government regulation. Your so-called "free" market is regulated up the wazoo, and it's a good thing, too. In a regulated market we enjoy (in theory at least) freedom from monopolies, price-fixing, predatory lending practices, workplace discrimination, toxic waste dumping, cars that explode when you rear-end them, concentration of media ownership (OK, bad example), toys that choke babies, ... and the list goes on. Whenever you hear a Republican talking about how great the "free market" is, you can bet he is trying to figure out a way to reduce or eliminate government regulation so that his corporate overlords, ahem, donors can make more profits at the expense of .. yup, you guessed it, the average consumer.
          • WhiteRaven, on 11/20/2007, -1/+1@sjmorton

            I didn't say we have a *pure* free market. We are just the best existing example of a free market (barring countries with no functioning government)

            Our market is free enough that *I* as an individual am completely free.
      • WhiteRaven, on 11/20/2007, -1/+1No, it is not. The free market is the freedom of ALL people to bargain and trade as they see fit. No one in America is a slave in any way, shape or form. Your use of the word is an unforgivable insult to countless billions: those people in history that have actually been enslaved, we in the working class that take pride in an honest day's work for an honest day's pay and finally, the employers that organize resources and employ people in mutually beneficial partnerships. The free market is based on voluntary, freely entered partnerships that benefit all parties.

        I would ask you to withdraw your insult but frankly, I have absolutely no respect for you and couldn't care less what you think.
        • sjmorton, on 11/20/2007, -0/+2I'm sorry, did I insult your favorite adjective and noun?
          • WhiteRaven, on 11/20/2007, -1/+1No, as I said, you have insulted billions of PEOPLE. Real people who are living free lives that you describe as slavery and the real people who have lived with genuine slavery.

            You used a word that has meaning to describe something it does not apply to in any way at all. Would you care to actually give an example of "slavery" or are you just a bag of hot air with nothing worth-while to contribute?
  • PricklySponge, on 11/19/2007, -14/+7This was retarded socialist crap.
    • HerbSolo, on 11/19/2007, -0/+1Oh - are we at shouting "COMMUNIST" again? - I thought the time, this was a foolproof way to throw dirt on somebody were over.
  • YourParadigm, on 11/19/2007, -5/+10The biggest fallacy from this video is that it assumes we have a Free Market economy. This couldn't be further from the truth. The government controls our economy in a big way. Just look at the Federal Reserve. Our government tells us that our market is free, when the core of the market, money, is controlled by the state. The only way to truly defeat our oppressors is to take away their authority and ability to rob us of our property and possessions. Big government is our biggest barrier to freedom and peace.
    • pintomp3, on 11/19/2007, -0/+2actually, the problem is corporate influence combined with big government. if it weren't for corporate lobbies and special interest groups, we wouldn't have corporate welfare and corporate personhood. you take away the government and you take away what little protection there is. you turn it into a playground where the bully rules.
    • operamatic, on 11/19/2007, -0/+3The Fed Res is a private entity, run by Private bankers, not controlled by the government, does not pay taxes, it dictates to the US interest rates, inflation, makes money making loans to the government.
      I agree with you about big government eroding the rights of citizens, however if you look at who profits from all these wars and the fear mongering, it's always the private corporations linked to government contracts who are intimate with those in power. Eg. Carlyle Group, or Halliburton (billion dollars a year in contracts) war profiteering, oh and American internment camps are being constructed (was on digg the other day) http://www.alternet.org/rights/42458/ that is being constructed by a subsidiary of Halliburton. There is an agenda by a few to control the masses.
      Why is there no news coverage of the Bilderburg group's meetings, world leaders meet in secret to discuss lord knows what, the mainstream media ignores them.
      Corporations spend billions lobbying the government in order to make insane amounts from us.
      They branch out into other countries to exploit the natural resources, set up a fake economies and when their profit taking is done leave and send the people into poverty.
      Check out "Confessions of an economic hit man" very enlightening interview with a man who used to do this exact thing.
      Why is Fluoride in toothpaste, and many water sources, when it is more toxic than lead? The government tried to ban it in the forties, it is the industrial waste of aluminum manufacturing, causes bone cancer and liver cancer in lab mice, creates A.D.D. like symptoms in mice. video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1749578584754949539
      There is way more harm from private companies who are in bed with the policy makers.

      • WhiteRaven, on 11/20/2007, -0/+1"The Fed Res is a private entity, run by Private bankers, not controlled by the government, does not pay taxes, it dictates to the US interest rates, inflation, makes money making loans to the government."

        This is all true. And this system works very very well. Being private insulates it from petty political pressures. Charging interest places a cost on "printing money" and so discourages irresponsible currency creation. And keep in mind that interest does not vanish down into some black hole, it is still contributing to the economy. As for controlling interest rates... well, as far as those specific rates it controls goes, someone has to set them. The reserve has a history of managing these rates very well. Finally, the fed does do what it can to manage inflation... doesn't it makse sense that somebody do this?

        Are you aware that the practice of drinking so much, usually un-fluorinated bottled water is having a detrimental effect on tooth health? Most material in the world is toxic at some level. It is an indisputable fact that the level of fluoride most people consume is harmless and has beneficial effects.
        • operamatic, on 11/20/2007, -0/+298% of Europe is fluoride free and the "tooth health" is pretty much the same there as it is over here. So lets say if we were to brush with the same levels of lead as a medicinal agent as there is fluoride in toothpaste you'll drink that kool-aid as well?
          Ever hear of Edward Bernays, Freud's nephew, he made it "cool" for women to smoke he worked for the American tobacco company for a time before his stint as spinner for the aluminum industry's effluence of fluoride into the water system.
          Hey i got an idea let's go out with a bang with fluoride flavored cigarettes, two great tastes that taste great together.
          On a serious note last time i did any personal research about the health effects of fluoride it was negative, it is a fact that it is more carcinogenic than lead at the exact same levels. What's the benefit of healthy teeth if you're dying of cancer? The average tube of toothpaste has enough flouride if consumed to be considered lethal for a small child, not to mention how the other great neuro-toxin mercury is a great as a tooth filling medium, just don't eat it, it'll kill you. Remember our morning sickness cure thalidomide? Most doctors in the westernized world pushed the drug supplied by the pharmaceutical industry, the pharmas benefited with profits before the drug was pulled. Sure you can take it, but if you get pregnant don't say i didn't warn you. All I'm saying is greed by big business and the masses intelligence or lack thereof is a dangerous combination. No disrespect intended.
  • ploke, on 11/19/2007, -2/+6An interview I did with Naomi addressing some of the issues about Friedman:
    http://www.thefulcrum.ca/node/656
    • WhiteRaven, on 11/20/2007, -1/+2She says populism "brings people in". I sligtly different phraze would be more accurate.

      Populism *takes* people in. (As in, cons them).

      Populism exercises the power of the mob to subjugate all people. It is inexcusable.

      Populism is based on the simple premise that the majority can do anything that it wants. ***** THAT.
  • SupaNeeb, on 11/19/2007, -3/+6Woo woo Canadian authors.
    No Logo + Shock Doctrine.
  • macwac, on 11/19/2007, -7/+2I watched the video without any sound.. the whole thing. And WOW I've never seen anymore disturbing footage shoved together in my life.. really sensationalism! Now i'll try to watch it with sound. Then again Naomi Klein is a capitalist herself - No logo became a logo and brand, clothing line etc... she even uses it to promote this video.
  • dailygringo, on 11/19/2007, -1/+8I read the book weeks ago, It's a more rational explanation for the cluster-***** that has been the late 20th - early 21st century than "***** happens."
  • doctordbx, on 11/19/2007, -6/+0More like using shock to sell books. Still digging to repeat the success of No Logo Miss Klein?
    Did the people rise up in your book as you predicted Miss Klein?
  • bluesnowmonkey, on 11/19/2007, -8/+3Give me a break. Based on what I've read about (and by) Milton Friedman, I have a tremendous amount of respect for him. Now this chick's video tells me that he was trying to destroy the world. Oh, and he may or may not have enjoyed torturing people and causing tsunamis. WTF?

    I don't think he was a saint, but if you want to criticize him, don't do it in the form of propaganda trash like this video.
    • pintomp3, on 11/19/2007, -0/+7it's more about anticipating and capitalizing on disasters in order to usurp the will of the people and replace it with corporate interests. it's happening with land developers and schools in new orleans now.
    • Delphium226, on 11/19/2007, -0/+2again, what ***** video were you watching? Milton Friedman 'may not have enjoyed torturing people and causing tsunamis'??? Are you high or just stupid? Or perhaps the clip length exceeded your attention span.
  • p0s3r, on 11/19/2007, -4/+1The fundamental flaw, which completely discredits Naomi's base premise, is that the "evil neocons" plan shock around occurrences that can't be predicted. So she must think evil white men sitting around their evil conference tables, for years on ends, waiting for the next natural disaster to SHOCK and push through their evil neocon agenda.
    • Volkov137, on 11/19/2007, -3/+4It never said anything about neocons joining forces to take us down. It was just spur of the moment decisions that they got lucky on, but knew their agenda and figured out quickly how to push it.

      The conspiracy theorists will combine and say some or all of these events happened as a result of a greater human intervention.
    • jeliel, on 11/19/2007, -0/+1Because Pinochet taking over was completely random. Because starting the Iraq war was completely random. Of course. The natural disasters are simply taken advantage of, she never accuses anyone of planing them, she's not a deluded Christian who believes they are Gods punishment. But political change is never random and can be predicted. You just need to read books and stop believing FAUXNEWS.
    • theMcPatriot, on 11/19/2007, -0/+1Opportunistic politicians is hardly a stretch into conspiracy-theory land.
  • nullcodes, on 11/19/2007, -5/+2This video advocates the very things it says it is against. They advocate isolationism. They are against free trade. If I want to buy something from someone in a different country why should I have to pay a huge tax?? And what about trading information? is that to be taxed too? So basically those in the third world are to be isolated, never allowed to earn capital to get themselves out of poverty?

    Why didnt the video metnion how millions of people in China have been lifted out of poverty thanks to free trade? This video is a propaganda tool for socialists and comminists to come into power and inflict Cambodia,. North Korea, Stalinism, Maoism, and all other failed commie pipe dreams. Look at the difference between North Korea and South Korea .. North Korea used to be richer than South Korea in 1950 .. today it's a dirt powe r country dependant on foreign aid to avert starvations and famines.

    All countries that have embraced trade have reduced their poverty levels... Singapore (which has ZERO natural resources), Japan (has very limited natural resources), Malaysia etc.

    Don't get fooled, the agenda of this video is far worse than the thing they are claiming to fix.
    • Delphium226, on 11/19/2007, -0/+1Great commentary. What about commenting on the actual subject of the video, shock.
  • mattcoady, on 11/19/2007, -0/+6Love the banksy art style.
  • Anthet, on 11/19/2007, -4/+1lol, this is from the same book that links "Think tanks" to right wing wars due to the fact that they have "tank" in their names, yeah, thats actually true.
  • Trueblood, on 11/19/2007, -6/+1Buried. A dumb conspiracy theory like any other, just not as well thought out.
    Global warming == disaster == shock == change, sound familiar?
    • jeliel, on 11/19/2007, -0/+4Someone obviously didn't read the book.... Trueblood buried for speaking out of his but
  • jimbabb, on 11/19/2007, -1/+1What does the CIA have to do with "free trade"? At best this video is idiotic. At worst, it's deceitful socialist propaganda.
  • Delphium226, on 11/19/2007, -0/+2This concept isn't a stretch, in the UK it's well known that the government uses big news days to slip in nasty stuff they know would normally be noticed.

    Sept 11: 'a good day to bury bad news'
    "Miss Moore's memo, written at 2.55pm on September 11, when millions of people were transfixed by the terrible television images of the terrorist attack, said: "It is now a very good day to get out anything we want to bury. Councillors expenses?""
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ne ...

    Bad news is buried during big Blair day
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/art ...

    Blair: a good day to bury bad news?
    http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/organgrinder/2006/12/b ...
  • toekneebullard, on 11/19/2007, -0/+2Anyone notice how this video used a shock doctrine to open you up to it's ideas? The whole thing opens up with a very shocking image of a young woman being electrocuted. The video itself uses the tactics that it is claiming to be against.
  • mafiaduck, on 11/20/2007, -0/+1This video engages in that very shock treatment. It provides this stunning commentary on how shock is done, using graphic images and explaining grotesque techniques. Then it proceeds to attack with its policies, ramming a large amount of information down our throats without giving us a chance to analyze each one. Just like those lawmakers Friedman argued should ram a ton of policies down third world countries governments after a disaster. It's not that I disagree with the video's conclusion, it's just that the techniques are difficult to question within the very "information" we are supposed to arm ourselves with.
  • nanoPhorm, on 11/20/2007, -0/+1In my opinion this video gets the whole shock political shock treatment right, when the public is shocked or fearful, such as after 9/11, It is more inclined to accept bills that would otherwise be rejected by congress (e.g. the patriot act). On the other hand it appears to me fundamentally flawed in another facet. Klein seems to think that this kind of political shock treatment stems from leaders who strive for a kind of "radical capitalism" (whatever that may mean..), which seems fundamentally wrong: the whole purpose of market economy is to be less restrictive, pass fewer trade regulation bills in short to increase freedom, in that kind of society political shock treatment would have little or no use. The idea of controlling everything, passing restrictive bills, or to have the economy understate control, is more of a communist system, and which of the supposedly opposed blocs, during the cold war, resorted to more political manipulation? You said it: the Communists!
  • Chandlerbin2006, on 02/17/2008, -0/+0Think for yourself, don't let the flashy images, spooky noise and alleged information convince you. Do independent research. From my own research and what I've watched of this movie it looks like propoganda. Crisis has historicly been used almost exclusively to promote statism, not free markets. The establishment HATES free markets, they love to create government supported monopolies.
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