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The Holy Bible - Part 4 - How to Study the Bible
bereshithelohim.ireporter.tv — Disregard the study of God and you sentence yourself to stumble and blunder through life, blindfolded, as it were, with no sense of direction and no understanding of what surrounds you. - J. I. Packer
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- Wolfpack46, on 04/28/2008, -1/+6Very true, where does everything starts, in the Bible, where those it ends, in the Bible:
Psa 119:1 Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
Psa 119:2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
Psa 119:3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.
Psa 119:4 Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.
Psa 119:5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
Psa 119:6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments.
Psa 119:7 I will praise thee with uprightness of heart, when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments.
Psa 119:8 I will keep thy statutes: O forsake me not utterly.
Psa 119:9 Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word. - captric, on 04/28/2008, -0/+4 Deuteronomy 21:18
'If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not listen to the voice of his father...'
Deuteronomy 21:18
'...or his mother...'
Deuteronomy 21:18
'...even when they punish him...'
Deuteronomy 21:19
'...his father and mother must take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town.'
Deuteronomy 21:20
'They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard."'
Deuteronomy 21:21
'All the men of the town must then stone him to death. You must banish this evil from among you.'
Deuteronomy 13:6-8
'If your brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife tries to secretly entice you, telling you to go and worship other gods, gods of people living near you, or far from you, or anywhere on earth, do not listen to him.'
Deuteronomy 13:8-9
'You must kill them. Show them no pity. And your hand must strike the first blow.
Deuteronomy 13:9-10
'Then the hands of all the people. You shall stone them to death.'- camelseye, on 04/28/2008, -0/+4Dear Captric,
Since these passages have absolutely nothing to do with the topic (other than the fact that they are Bible) I assume you attempt to mock those of us who love God's Word by putting them here. Nevertheless, It is important that you familiarize yourself with the historical context of the verses you posted. Much of the Torah (of which Deuteronomy is a part) was given to show how serious sin is from God's perspective. Sometimes humans tend to trivialize certain things like disobedience, thinking that other sins are "BIG", but disobedience to parents is "small."
I think that God places so much importance on obedience to parents for several reasons: Our Parents are the ones who "give us life." Usually, they care more about what happens to us than anyone else does. (In cases where they are abusive, other Laws over-rule). Parental authority represents God's position as the Father, the limitations given by parents in love protect the child. The Deceiver (Devil) wants us to do wrong--not because he wants us to have more pleasure (although this is often the way he packages temptation) but, because he wants to get back at God by hurting Him. It's a power struggle--the best way to hurt a parent is by turning his/her children against him/her. The best way to "hurt" God is by turning His own creation against Him. The Deceiver uses people for his purposes.
That said, many of the Laws in the Torah cannot be followed without a Sanhedrin council "elders." There is no council, so there is no way to "keep" some of the Laws. (Same for the Sacrificial Laws--there is no Temple or Tabernacle, so to "keep" them would actually break them because they are not to be kept in one's backyard.)
I hope this has helped clarify your thinking in this area. Using such Scripture passages to oppose other passages (by ridicule) is not an effective way to make your point. Rather, it shows that you have not thoroughly considered the passage you use.- captric, on 04/28/2008, -1/+1The Torah is traditionally accepted by some as the literal word of God as told to Moses. Christian Bibles incorporate the Hebrew Bible (with some variations) into its canon under the name of Old Testament. Though different Christian denominations have slightly different versions of the Old Testament in their Bibles, the Five Books of Moses (or "the Law") are common to them all. Are you mocking Gods word by saying that he did not really mean what he said? Or that, in order to accommodate people like you where Gods word is inconvenient to your lifestyle, that it has been trivialized as only an example "to show how serious sin is from God's perspective"?
Deuteronomy consists primarily of a series of speeches by Moses on the plains of Moab opposite Jericho exhorting Israel to obey God and further instruction on His Laws. At the end of the book (Deuteronomy 34), Moses is allowed to see the promised land from a mountain, but it is not known what happened to Moses on the mountain. He was never seen again. Knowing that he is nearing the end of his life, Moses appoints Joshua his successor, bequething to him the mantle of leadership. Soon afterwards Israel begins the conquest of Canaan.
Islam draws heavily upon the Torah for Islamic concepts, teachings, and history of the early world. Much of the Arab world is believed by tradition to be descended from Abraham's son Ishmael, the half-brother of Isaac. Isaac was then the father of Jacob, who was renamed Israel in Genesis 32:23. Thus, Biblically, Arabs and Jews (Israelites) are actually cousins.
As a result, Islam largely claims much of the same heritage from Abraham as its own. Islam affirms that Moses (Musa) was given a revelation, the Torah, which Muslims call Tawrat in Arabic, and they believe it to be the word of God. However, they also believe that this original revelation was modified (tahrif, literally meaning corrupted) over time by Jewish and Christian scribes and preachers.
In Christianity, the Pentateuch forms the beginning of the Old Testament. In early Christianity a Koine Greek version of the Hebrew Bible, called the Septuagint, was used. Origen's Hexapla placed side by side six versions of the Old Testament, including the 2nd century Greek translations of Aquila of Sinope and Symmachus the Ebionite. The canonical Christian Bible was formally established by Bishop Cyril of Jerusalem in 350, confirmed by the Council of Laodicea in 363, and later established by Athanasius of Alexandria in 367. Jerome's Vulgate Latin translation dates to between AD 382 and 420. Latin translations predating Jerome are collectively known as Vetus Latina texts. Translations of the Old Testament were discouraged in medieval Christendom. An exception was the translation of the Pentateuch ordered by Alfred the Great around A.D. 900, and Wyclif's Bible of 1383. Numerous vernacular translations appeared with the Protestant Reformation.
Deuteronomy 13:13-15
'If you hear that in one of the towns, there are men who are telling people to go and worship other gods, it is your duty to look into the matter and examine it.''If it is proved and confirmed, you must put the inhabitants of that town to the sword.'
'You must lay the town under the curse of destruction, the town and everything in it.'
You must pile up all its loot in the public square and burn the town and all its loot.''That town is to be a ruin for all time, and never rebuilt. So be careful how you interpret the Bible my friend, Christians in this Nation are no better at the base than radical Muslims. They are only tempered by ciilized laws of a nation free from religious influence by law and represent the collective conciousness of this great society.
- captric, on 04/28/2008, -1/+1The Torah is traditionally accepted by some as the literal word of God as told to Moses. Christian Bibles incorporate the Hebrew Bible (with some variations) into its canon under the name of Old Testament. Though different Christian denominations have slightly different versions of the Old Testament in their Bibles, the Five Books of Moses (or "the Law") are common to them all. Are you mocking Gods word by saying that he did not really mean what he said? Or that, in order to accommodate people like you where Gods word is inconvenient to your lifestyle, that it has been trivialized as only an example "to show how serious sin is from God's perspective"?
- camelseye, on 04/28/2008, -0/+4Captric said: "Are you mocking Gods word by saying that he did not really mean what he said? Or that, in order to accommodate people like you where Gods word is inconvenient to your lifestyle, that it has been trivialized as only an example "to show how serious sin is from God's perspective"?
Interesting thoughts coming from a deceptive God-mocker him/herself.
I am certainly NOT involved in mocking God. I have never trivialized His Word, nor have I given any reason for you to decide that I believe God's Word is "inconvenient to my lifestyle." You know absolutely nothing about how I worship or how I practice my faith. You are obviously looking for an argument by placing words in my mouth and creating a twisted perspective on the words that I have stated. You copied and pasted a diatribe (sources please?) so as to appear intellectual/ knowledgeable in these areas (interspersing your own comments to camouflage the plagiarism.) Your historical comments concerning the connection of Islam and Judaism (and by default) Christianity appear in order, but are, in fact--skewed. You have met your match as I have spent much time (years) analyzing all three monotheistic religions in detail and on site--where these religions are practiced and where they were birthed.
Though a cursory look at Islam and Judaism reveals common roots (in Abraham and the honoring of many of the same prophets/historical figures) Islam is derived from Judaism and Christianity (not vice versa) and has been "adjusted" quite extensively. The similarity of the holy books is surface, there is really no comparison. If you study honestly, this is obvious. Your statement, "Christians in this Nation are no better at the base than radical Muslims." has no facts to back it and is meant to further your agenda to associate radical Islam with mainstream Christianity and "criminalize" both--guilty by association (for those who consider radical Muslims--who do engage in terrorism--to be guilty.) Your connection of the two is ludicrous, as there are obviously no Christian groups "in this nation" who are practicing violence against others in the name of their religion OR promoting violence, or funding it. You have no answer to my answer and are blinded by your hate-filled agenda. (though I have to admit, you are more subtle than most.) - BibleNut, on 04/29/2008, -0/+3Thank you so much for posting God's Word on Digg.
"So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth; It shall not return to Me void, But it shall accomplish what I please, And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it" Isaiah 55:11
"Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is preached; and in this I rejoice, yes, and will rejoice." Philippians 1:18
- camelseye, on 04/28/2008, -0/+4Dear Captric,
- captric, on 04/28/2008, -0/+3 Deuteronomy 21:18 'If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not listen to the voice of his father...'...or his mother.....even when they punish him...''...his father and mother must take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town.''They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard."' Deuteronomy 21:21 'All the men of the town must then stone him to death. You must banish this evil from among you. Deuteronomy 13:6-8 'If your brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife tries to secretly entice you, telling you to go and worship other gods, gods of people living near you, or far from you, or anywhere on earth, do not listen to him.' Deuteronomy 13:8-9 'You must kill them. Show them no pity. And your hand must strike the first blow. Deuteronomy 13:9-10 'Then the hands of all the people. You shall stone them to death.'
- camelseye, on 04/28/2008, -1/+4Please refer to my reply to your posting above
- camelseye, on 04/28/2008, -0/+5Another approach to Scripture study is grounded in the Torah reading schedule for Shabbat. This schedule is an excellent way to study "the whole council of God." You can download the schedule from the ffoz website--First Fruits of Zion. Their schedule includes the traditional Torah and Haftorah portions which are read in every synagogue/temple across the world, AND a portion from the gospels. I have found it to be a wonderful study as it is a natural way to learn about historical context and celebrations--calendar, geography, the original languages, and the actual text. As I have used it the last few years, I have learned far more than ever before. FEASTED!
- lodibug3, on 04/28/2008, -0/+4Love this John Owen quote “In the divine Scriptures, there are shallows and there are deeps; shallows where the lamb may wade, and deeps where the elephant may swim”
- captainpugwash, on 04/28/2008, -0/+4Deuteronomy has become very popular on digg recently
- BibleNut, on 04/29/2008, -0/+4Jesus quoted for it more than any other Old Testament book.
- ncurses, on 04/28/2008, -0/+2I haven't studied the bible and I'm doin pretty good
- BibleNut, on 04/29/2008, -0/+3But do you know if you are going to Heaven? Doing well down here on Earth is fine, but it a tempoary condition. Eternity is . . . well . . . forever. God gave us NOW to decide about our eternal fate.
- Eirikizer, on 05/15/2008, -0/+0How is God able to be a superior being and eternally good when he sends people to hell if they don't blindly obey him? And what if a person doesn't hear of the Lord for all of his life, but it's not his fault, where does he go then?
- BibleNut, on 04/29/2008, -0/+3But do you know if you are going to Heaven? Doing well down here on Earth is fine, but it a tempoary condition. Eternity is . . . well . . . forever. God gave us NOW to decide about our eternal fate.
- rjwusa, on 04/30/2008, -2/+3Thanks P.!
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