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The Holy Bible - Part 3 - Bible Translations
bereshithelohim.ireporter.tv — "I am a spirit come from God, and returning to God. I want to know one thing: the way to heaven. God himself has condescended to teach me the way. He has written it down in a book. Oh, give me that book! At any price give me the book of God. Let me be a man of one book." - John Wesley
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- BibleNut, on 04/21/2008, -0/+6Wow! I had no idea that there were over 500 translations before the Catholic Church stepped in. Great study. I learned a lot. I didn't know that I knew so little. ;-)
By the way, what were the Apocrypha books? That would make for a great study.- clarencepaul, on 04/21/2008, -5/+7You would serve yourself very well and avoid alot of confusion if you stayed with the 1611 KJV or Geneva bible and leave all the revised translations and anything to do with catholicism and the Apocrypha books, these are not authorized God inspired books and catholicism to me is a cult with more falsehood that any of the cults, when I came to the lord about thirty years ago, I studied truth and error , and false religions compared to true christianity, and then started testing the preaching of many of the faith preachers, there are alot more false out there than there are true. Alittle advice from a friend.
- Buddymack, on 04/21/2008, -0/+6We must be in agreement then, I have studied this in depth and of course I come to the conclusion that two books can't disagree and yet say the same thing...
I have run websites before and have argued this and have come full circle that it can not be argued or discussed at length on the net, Wescott Hort have done a number on the word of God and when we all stand in judgment we will all know what they have done.
It says in the scripture not to add or take away from scripture or there would be extreme consequences for this...1800 Deletions and 64,000 changes or perversions....you just can't say oops! - BibleNut, on 04/21/2008, -0/+5Clarence,
Thanks for the advice. I think that the Apocrypha books have a lot about Jewish histroy, but you are right. They are not God inspired. I would still like to read them, just for information purposes. :) - Nannybell, on 04/21/2008, -0/+4CP, I dugg up your comment because of your desire to pursue truth, but I do not think we need to stick strictly with the KJV. I mostly study the NASB, but I also check other translations to see how they compare when studying. Sometimes I look at a paraphrase to see how it renders a passage, but in general think they are not to be used for serious study. My Bible contains several translations in parallel columns: KVJ, NIV, NLT, and NASB. The NLT helps me obtain a quick rendering of a passage in modern language, although I have noted it does seriously alter certain passages, so you have to be really careful. That is why having the differing translations side by side is so helpful.
- these3remain, on 04/21/2008, -0/+5I agree, Nannybell. I would probably tell a new Christian to use a Bible that they find easy to read; eventually as they grow in Christ, most Christians move on to what is considered to be the more accurate translations. Many Bible colleges and Seminaries use the NASB because of its literal word for word translation from the Greek and Hebrew - so do reputable Bible study ministries such as Precept. It is not as "nice" a read as say, the NIV, but it is an accurate text. One must also consider that the KJV, while an accurate translation of its day, did not have the benefit of the texts that were discovered after 1611, like the Dead Sea Scrolls. All this being said, God is not as concerned about the translation that we use as He is about how it is lived out in our lives; there aren't a lot of hills I'm willing to die on - inerrancy of the Bible, yes. Translations - providing it is not a cult translation like the Jehovah Witnesses' use, no. It's like quibbling over the amount of water used in water baptism. While I am a total immersion advocate, "sprinkling" doesn't make a baptism less valid if the reason for baptism is correct.
- victorypup, on 04/21/2008, -0/+3I agree with clarence on this. Use the KJV and or the Geneva Bible as your anchor text. many of the easy reading versions have multiple error. The scripture tells us to "try", or "prove" all things and "Hold fast to that which is good".
- Buddymack, on 04/21/2008, -0/+3Good advise! especially when you are a baby christian, if people would look into it and do actual comparisons they would find that a wrong bible is not the right bible..
I look at it this way, the scripture calls us babes in Christ when it explains a new Christian, the word of God is also referred to as the sincere milk...just babies we have to watch what they put in their mouth, when it comes to the modern versions I have to say .....naahhh spit that out that's nasty!
- Buddymack, on 04/21/2008, -0/+3Good advise! especially when you are a baby christian, if people would look into it and do actual comparisons they would find that a wrong bible is not the right bible..
- Buddymack, on 04/21/2008, -0/+6We must be in agreement then, I have studied this in depth and of course I come to the conclusion that two books can't disagree and yet say the same thing...
- these3remain, on 04/21/2008, -2/+8A number of books that are considered valuable but not inspired are found in the Roman Catholic and Anglican Bibles. These books are called the Apocrypha (which means "hidden," "secret," or "profound"). The Apocrypha was accepted by the council of Carthage, but was not accepted by many important church leaders of the time. One of the primary reasons for their rejection is because most of what is written in them could not be cross-referenced in either the 39 books of the Old Testament nor the 27 that comprise the New Testament. Thus they were not considered "inspired" by the Holy Spirit unlike the other books that consistently cross-reference each other.
- bosssmiley, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1Council of Chalcedon version of {citation needed}.
- drachemorder, on 04/21/2008, -1/+5The Apocrypha are a collection of books and additions to books that were included in some editions of the Bible at various times, but are not generally considered canonical for various reasons. Most of them have been pretty well proved to be not inspired due to various factors such as contradiction with the established canon, evidence that they were not written by the claimed author, historical inaccuracy, and the like. They are, however, still useful as ordinary literature and give some insight into Jewish thinking around the time of Christ. In fact, the books of Maccabees, included in the Apocrypha, are the source for the Jewish festival of Hanukkah, and so are very important to Jewish traditions today.
- these3remain, on 04/21/2008, -1/+3I agree that the Apocrypha provides a reliable resource for the Jewish festival of Hanukkah and other cultural information. But it's exclusion from canon I think is valid , given the disparities that exist.
- Buddymack, on 04/21/2008, -1/+3It is actually a good read but it is not scripture, just like today you had side writers on everything so it is like you say good to read and get a hold of a mindset and such, but be careful when looking at it as absolute.
- these3remain, on 04/21/2008, -1/+3I agree that the Apocrypha provides a reliable resource for the Jewish festival of Hanukkah and other cultural information. But it's exclusion from canon I think is valid , given the disparities that exist.
- clarencepaul, on 04/21/2008, -5/+7You would serve yourself very well and avoid alot of confusion if you stayed with the 1611 KJV or Geneva bible and leave all the revised translations and anything to do with catholicism and the Apocrypha books, these are not authorized God inspired books and catholicism to me is a cult with more falsehood that any of the cults, when I came to the lord about thirty years ago, I studied truth and error , and false religions compared to true christianity, and then started testing the preaching of many of the faith preachers, there are alot more false out there than there are true. Alittle advice from a friend.
- captric, on 04/21/2008, -8/+2WoW!! 4 diggs!!! Way to go GOD!
- BibleNut, on 04/21/2008, -0/+13Amen. We'll take it.
"So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth; It shall not return to Me void, But it shall accomplish what I please, And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it." Isaiah 55:11- captric, on 04/21/2008, -11/+1You seem to be able to plagiarize material from a book that was written by sheep herders over 2000 years ago in a time where a donkey cart with wooden wheels was considered high technology. Plagiarization would get you expelled from any reputable institution of higher learning in the US. Do you have any original thoughts of your own?
- camelseye, on 04/21/2008, -0/+7Words are not considered to be plagiarism when they are in quotations and referenced. You must not have done research at "any reputable institution of higher learning in the US."
The poignancy of the quotation was the promise that God made concerning His Word. Some things never change. - InRussetShadows, on 04/22/2008, -1/+3The quote was not plagiarism, because he never claimed to have written the material in question. You have been dugg down for not using your noggin and for insulting attacks.
- camelseye, on 04/21/2008, -0/+7Words are not considered to be plagiarism when they are in quotations and referenced. You must not have done research at "any reputable institution of higher learning in the US."
- captric, on 04/21/2008, -11/+1You seem to be able to plagiarize material from a book that was written by sheep herders over 2000 years ago in a time where a donkey cart with wooden wheels was considered high technology. Plagiarization would get you expelled from any reputable institution of higher learning in the US. Do you have any original thoughts of your own?
- BibleNut, on 04/21/2008, -0/+13Amen. We'll take it.
- clarencepaul, on 04/21/2008, -2/+9There are actually over 7000 different bibles in print even now and the catholics use the vulgate and the NIV, they would never allow believers to read the word, the priest would do that for them, I want to get it for myself, not from a second hand source.
- Nannybell, on 04/21/2008, -1/+4I am no supporter of Catholicism, but someone in my family was a devout Catholic and he read their version of the Bible on his own each day. He claimed though that only the priests could really interpret it properly.
- victorypup, on 04/21/2008, -0/+4The NIV, or Non Inspired Version, is a favorite among ecumentical circles.
- Kent4jmj, on 04/21/2008, -0/+3As a Catholic I read the Oxford Study Edition RSV with apocrypha, not NRSV. We are encouraged, especially since Vatican II, to read scripture. We Listen to 3 Readings during mass on Sundays and 2 readings if one goes to Mass during the week. The readings are old and new testament in a three year cycle. A faithful Catholic hears a lot of Scripture.
Clarence is misrepresenting how things work in Catholicism again. As for the laity not reading the bible if one looks at the historical context of when that was going on and why it does make sense. It was a different time and world.- Buddymack, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1Are you familiar with the counsel of Troy?
- Kent4jmj, on 04/22/2008, -0/+1No and it is not listed as one of the Ecumenical Councils that I can find.
http://www.piar.hu/councils/- victorypup, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2I'm a little late on this Kent, but there is a huge difference between how the American Catholic Church opperates and the third world Catholic Churches. My wife grew up Catholic in another part of the world. Her Uncle was a Priest sprinkled in Rome. Her Aunt was a Nun. Very different church there.
- Kent4jmj, on 04/22/2008, -0/+1No and it is not listed as one of the Ecumenical Councils that I can find.
- Buddymack, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1Are you familiar with the counsel of Troy?
- Buddymack, on 04/21/2008, -1/+10Well I differ quite a bit here, I have a pretty good knowledge of scripture and I follow the KJV and follow more on the lines of the history of the Textus Receptus "the received text" it was the Bible to most Christians English speaking anyway for 500 years, I have followed its historicity and well I believe it comes down to faith, I don't believe in the work of most modern Bible translators, just like we argue about evolution with the law that everything falls towards disorder, something is lost.
But I do believe that there is enough gospel in many of them to recognize when you are a sinner that needs a Saviour.
so KJV1611 here and loving it!- camelseye, on 04/21/2008, -0/+7I love the KJV too. Sometimes I read other versions because I read so frequently...it keeps things fresh when I go into auto-pilot and my mind doesn't grasp what I am reading because it is so familiar. I have found one translation which is actually more "conservative" about lining up with the original languages, though not always written so poetically--the American Standard. When I am not sure about the historical context I am reading, sometimes this version clears up the "difficult" phrase I have encountered, without having to look up the Hebrew inter-linear.
- Buddymack, on 04/21/2008, -0/+3A good study tool is blueletterbible.org , you would have to spend a hefty amount to equal the software ..
that being said a great way to study once you go there is to just click on the "C" next to the verse and look at the Strong's concordance, many do not know this but there is different versions of Greek used by other books such as "Vines" ...this Greek uses "KOIN" Greek that instead of using a long filter to fit process like the Textus Receptus translator's used, they used a number rating sort of like 1-4 ...which allowed street slang Greek, which explains why some who study the Vines or Bibles that came out of the Alexandrian texts say that the KJV does not line up with the Greek...
Sighhh! lots of work huh? no matter what when you take an honest look at it ..God is in control and Satan is busy!
- Buddymack, on 04/21/2008, -0/+3A good study tool is blueletterbible.org , you would have to spend a hefty amount to equal the software ..
- camelseye, on 04/21/2008, -0/+7I love the KJV too. Sometimes I read other versions because I read so frequently...it keeps things fresh when I go into auto-pilot and my mind doesn't grasp what I am reading because it is so familiar. I have found one translation which is actually more "conservative" about lining up with the original languages, though not always written so poetically--the American Standard. When I am not sure about the historical context I am reading, sometimes this version clears up the "difficult" phrase I have encountered, without having to look up the Hebrew inter-linear.
- rjwusa, on 04/21/2008, -0/+10Interesting compilation of information. Thanks for supplying it to us. God bless you, my friend.
- karishore, on 04/21/2008, -0/+7I read KJV. I will use the parallel with it. This way I see what is different. When I see differences, I look it up. A good free program to download is www.e-sword.net This site gives many free bible downloads which enables you to use the parallel feature and also gives Greek/Hebrew translations. Really cool feature to have on your computer.
- BibleNut, on 04/21/2008, -0/+7Wow! Thanks for the reference. Always looking for more resources. Thanks and blessings to ya!
- Buddymack, on 04/21/2008, -0/+2The link at the bottom of the write up shows blueletterbible.org, I highly suggest this link it has many cross study informational links, you can search key words, you can research the strongs, you can also watch video and listen to different ministers and read referance write ups per subject per
- BibleNut, on 04/21/2008, -0/+7Wow! Thanks for the reference. Always looking for more resources. Thanks and blessings to ya!
- Nannybell, on 04/21/2008, -0/+4I love that quote by John Wesley. Hadn't heard it before, but it absolutely summarizes my own love of and reverence toward the Word of God.
- Christianptriot, on 04/21/2008, -0/+4My wife and I have foudn other, newer translations that actually skip verses, or that make subtle word choice changes that actually skew or soften the meanings of some of the verses and statements. My father was a Catholic until he married my divorced methodist mom, so I was raised confused - except that we used the KJV in church.
Somehow, the Nativity story does not sound as elegant and eloquent as it does in the KJV. At least Linus would never had read any other translation!- Buddymack, on 04/21/2008, -0/+3 A lot of people don't know about what has been done to the word of God...would you let your enemy make your weapons for you? just like we need to be wise about the world and all the different beliefs and such, so should we weary of what we are reading..
The NIV for instance even calls Satan the "morning star"....I reserve that title to "Jesus" what we need to look out for is an agenda, the NIV writers have a liberal agenda and they want to liberalize Christianity....is it working? .....I would say yes!
- Buddymack, on 04/21/2008, -0/+3 A lot of people don't know about what has been done to the word of God...would you let your enemy make your weapons for you? just like we need to be wise about the world and all the different beliefs and such, so should we weary of what we are reading..
- bereshithelohim, on 04/22/2008, -0/+2Sorry for the delay in responding today…
Bosssmiley - The forth ecumenical council (Council of Chalcedon) had nothing to do with Biblical translations. (?)
The Apocrypha has been covered very well and we’ll take an in depth look at those 14 book/parts in a future study. Thanks to all who contributed.
Clarencepaul, we understand your concerns but history is history and we would be amiss not to mention all the major translations within a study of Biblical translations.
Buddymack/Christianptroit, we also understand your concerns regarding many of the newer translations and agree with you Buddymack that the Textus Receptus is the best source. This is the reason we stated, “one should familiarize themselves with the problems of each translation.” While I personally prefer the NKJV, which also has some problems, I read them all and agree with camelseye on that subject.
We too love the KJV and thank God for Charles Schultz! How many children have heard of the birth of our Lord from that Christmas special?
Nannybell is quite correct on comparing the different translations side by side and a rendering of a difficult passage may be revealed by studying in this way. Westcot and Hort, et al will be given their just due if they had not repented of their sin.
Awesome resource site karishore! We will be adding it to the site!
While many Protestants have problems with Catholicism I can personally attest that we have some wonderful brothers and sisters who call themselves Catholics, like Kent.
We all need to remember that when we stand (fall on our faces) before our Lord there will only be one thing that will matter and it won’t be whether we called ourselves Catholics, Protestants, or no denomination at all. These3remain, as usual, said it best, “…God is not as concerned about the translation that we use as He is about how it is lived out in our lives…” But even this will not grant us an eternity in heaven. I for one will beg the Blood of Christ!- Buddymack, on 04/22/2008, -0/+2I agree that he may not be as concerned with what translation, but if you read the scriptures obviously it is important for growth...what if I wrote a bible and edited out everything but
God is Love
The Bible is our sword and don't get me wrong I appreciate what you are saying but we need to be wise in this hour "very wise" and I would challenge you to look into NKJV it again uses more of an Alexandrian text, it also has a curious mark on the cover which history is not Godly and I am sure it is not
looking to good in the future..
My point is the scripture tells us the word is our sword, if you don't think we have our enemy involved in our sword making lately you and I just will agree to disagree.
Too often we just trust someone with our word because maybe they have a more studious background, but to this I say give me faithful before a doctorate.
The makers of the NIV now want to make the Bible gender neutral, so do we care as Christians? or do we let the devil have his way such as we have in public schools?
I say this in love by the way I am not trying to win here I am trying to open folks eyes in the last days, which according to the KJV1611...we are in!
- Buddymack, on 04/22/2008, -0/+2I agree that he may not be as concerned with what translation, but if you read the scriptures obviously it is important for growth...what if I wrote a bible and edited out everything but
- bereshithelohim, on 04/22/2008, -0/+2Buddymack, as the author of the study I am only speaking for myself and not the group.
When I became a Christian and read the Living Bible I fell in love with God and His Grace by what was written in that book. When I began to mature in my walk and learned there were problems with this paraphrase, and even within all of the various English translations, I began to read each one and when I found a discrepancy I would pull out the original language and would do a word for word study of the verse in dispute. This gave me a much better understanding of what was being conveyed and I continue to do this when preparing for a study or just doing a study for myself on a particular topic. In this day and age with computers this is a much easier task.
I am at the point where I can read and enjoy just about any translation and know first hand that even the Living Bible, with all its flaws, can bring one to an understanding of the Gospel Message, and let’s be honest, this is what truly matters!
As one grows in their walk, and their understanding increases, the Lord will direct them in many ways including their understanding of His Word.
Do not underestimate God. He has used many things to bring people to an understanding of Himself and Satan can only do that which God will allow (Job).
I know this issue can be contentious between Christians and almost didn’t add those last few paragraphs on which translation is best but after reading the above discussion on the topic it looks like it was the right decision as we all need to be aware of the differences and problems (there are literally thousands) with all the translations. From the original texts relied upon, the translation of the word or verse and the context of what those words meant at the time of writing, translating any book, much less the Word of God, is a very difficult task. There is no way in a short Bible study to address each and every discrepancy in all of the many translations. How better to express that fact then with the above posts?
Now, for those of you interested there’s a wealth of information out there and I suggest you pray for understanding before attempting any study of God’s Word. For the rest, you can rest in your salvation and pray for understanding with whatever translation you enjoy.- these3remain, on 04/22/2008, -0/+2Amen. Well spoken truth in love.
- Buddymack, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2It is wonderful that God brought you through that,as he has me for I was not KJV1611 all my life neither...I was sort of a wild guy at times in my life to be honest I was a stand up comic for three years and I worked with many people that are successful in Hwood today...but let me tell you this..
A few years ago I was shot at point blank with a 38 in the gut...that woke me up even though I am a pretty tough guy and lets just put it this way, he didn't do so well shooting me really ticks me off ...
but I don't recommend that as a way of waking up! just like I don't recommend lesser books...but I agree God can work in strange ways...but lets not let the young ones have to go through what we went through if we can help it.
- these3remain, on 04/22/2008, -1/+3I responded to a comment made by Nannybell but think I should post here as well since many do not read too far down in a digg post. I usually tell a new Christian to use a Bible that they find easy to read (so that they will read it); eventually as they grow in Christ, most Christians move on to what is considered to be the more accurate translations. Many Bible colleges and Seminaries use the NASB because of its literal word for word translation from the Greek and Hebrew - so do reputable Bible study ministries such as Precept. It is not as "nice" a read as say, the NIV, but it is an accurate text. One must also consider that the KJV, while an accurate translation of its day, did not have the benefit of the texts that were discovered after 1611, like the Dead Sea Scrolls. All this being said, God is not as concerned about the translation that we use as He is about how it is lived out in our lives; there aren't a lot of hills I'm willing to die on - inerrancy of the Bible, yes; Christ crucified for our sins and resurrected - yes. Translations - providing it is not a cult translation like the Jehovah Witnesses' use, no. It's like quibbling over the amount of water used in water baptism. While I am a total immersion advocate, "sprinkling" doesn't make a baptism less valid if the reason for baptism is correct. I , too am fairly well studied in the various translations and the reason for their existence, as well as the objections raised among the brethren about the different translations.But I see nowhere in Scripture that shows that God will be asking us to give account for which translation of the Bible we read - there are , however, other matters for which we will be held accountable to be found in ANY translation.
- bereshithelohim, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1Amen and Amen my friend. We as Christians become dogmatic on many issues that, when all is said and done, really won't matter and all we really accomplish in doing is dividing the brethren. Does any Christian really think this is the will of Christ? We are the Body, we are the true Church!
I too was dogmatic on this very issue (and many others) for many years and felt just as Buddymack does on the best translation. Through the years I have learned the value of each translation and use them all. In the past few years I have taken on the study of the Septuagint and I can't begin to tell you how much I have learned from this translation.
I now love the old KJV but where would I be today if Mr. Taylor had not produced his wonderful paraphrase? I still have that little New Testament that I took to work with me and cherish it. The front and back covers are tapped on but it doesn’t matter to me.
We need to put away (or bite our tongues) when it comes to being dogmatic on things that will not matter in eternity and come together as the Body of Christ and share the knowledge we have been given. I do not say this to stop discussions, Buddymack raised a wonderful concern and I for one thank him for this and I believe he is correct with his belief of the Textus Receptus being the best text to base any translation upon.
Now, the dissension between Protestants and Catholics is merited in some respects. I hope and pray that our Catholic brothers and sisters would join us in this study but I also pray that they would look to the Word for what is true. Please pray about this (both sides) and ask for understanding. As a Protestant myself I have many problems of what is taught within Catholicism but I also know from personal experience that Catholics are encouraged to read the Word and I am still, as far as I know, a member of the Catholic Church. I also know from personal experience that we Protestants have many wonderful brothers and sisters in Christ who call themselves Catholics.
The Catholic Church as done some horrible things throughout our history but so has many Protestant denominations. The PRIDE of man is the problem, not the individual churches. We are ALL SINNERS! Don’t ever forget this fact! It should have been ME in the place of Jesus being beaten, ridiculed, and nailed to that cross. This is the reward I deserve and have earned. Can any of you say different?
The only thing I have to lay before the cross is my sins. I have nothing to give to the Lord that I love. When I read Paul’s words of him claiming to be the “chief of all sinners” I say to myself, “Paul, take a seat. You’ve got nothing on me!”
I remain the worst of the worst. When you think or believe that you are better then anyone else you need to go back to the Gospels and compare yourself to our Lord. If you do not measure up then humble yourself. This is my message to you, humble yourselves unto the Lord of Lords and King of Kings. - Buddymack, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2I appreciate the spirit in which you say this, it is true pride in ourselves solves nothing, but neither does dishonesty we can't vote in our salvation neither can I say you are saved by anything other than the sweet Grace of God,....I talk to many people these days who are religious but when I tell them that I am a saved Christian...I often hear...Oh, one of those "born againers", we need truth in this hour, Jesus said you must be born again, Jesus said he is the way the truth and the life and "no" man can come to the Father but by him...No OTHER way!
Just a few years ago my Mom would get into a discussion with her sister "my Aunt" who was a very active member of the Jehovah's Witness's she was trained to go line by line with us and to be honest with you she would have made someone think or cause to question especially if that person was a babe in Christ..
My Aunt is gone now, I can remember crying and holding her hand before she died, she was very stubborn in her belief system and one thing she would say to my Mom is ..."its too bad you hold to that KJV" ...a razor sharp sword cutting both ways..
I would suggest that you do some on line comparisons of the modern bibles the NASV compared to the Jehovah Witness Bible would be a great place to start.
Yes we are all sinners and I agree, but we have to stand for something somewhere and this I make a stand, as I have said before a babe in Christ is much like any baby you should be concerned with what they put in their mouths!
The funny thing about the Internet is you can read this with the wrong tone, to that I am at a disadvantage, heck in person also I am at a disadvantage with size 23 fingers people tend to think I am angry...Nahhh
One issue is this first off if someone is a babe in Christ shepherd them! secondly teach them to slow down study the KJV1611 expositorally, take each word study it in its context of who he is talking to when he is talking to them ..in other words get the who,what,when and all those pronouns or whatever out of the way...we can't have babes in Christ thinking they can take a staff and dividing the waters..that was meant for Moses!
Using the ideal that I think I am better than others as it seems inferred I would say you could not be further from the truth, I look at Christianity today and ask myself ...What happened? the obvious and short answer is ...modern bibles!
just like they "the liberals and other non believers" have taken Christ out of the schools and inserted evolution and humanism, I would say or ask and plead with you have discernment!
Modern Christianity is too worried about being politically correct, I believe that is one of the biggest problems with it today and I believe that it is what one of the largest cults in so called Christianity today and that is mixing paganism into Christianity in the name of lets all just combine our efforts...
Also I would not use the word "Protestant" too much either! My belief system never came out of Catholicism, to be in "Protest" is reserved for those who have come out of the mother church and now have been re structured such as Lutheran "my family used to be" anyway some things to consider..
When I teach folks today about the fallacies of the modern versions I will tell you that I never attack right off the cuff and I approach carefully...I myself have gone through the "what difference does it make" attitude and know greatly that you have to be careful, the Bible they have may have been given to them by their dying Grandmother for all I know..
But I know one thing is for sure, after studying this and looking at key verses and seeing and comparing just what was edited out and perverted I would never "never" suggest a bible that you can not trust written by people you can not trust...Satan is busy!
anyway I am dogmatic and that is this ...there is one way to heaven! and God said he would preserve his word and if you are trusting in a church or Baptism or works ...it is not about pride it is about truth...Jesus did not say he would bring peace
Luke 12:51
Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
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For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.
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The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
The reason is this, when people hear the truth, they don't want to hear it if the heart is not right or if they are looking for a more liberal Gospel, case and example many homosexuals now are active and proud in their church today!
but how would they act if you read the absolute truth from the KJV ..even in a gentle tone and softly said it would cause diversion!
Just asking can any of you say different does not handle it, yes I am a sinner and not proud of it, but that does not change when righteousness is preached as long as it is preached from the scripture, you see Satan is subtle and we have stop him at every game possible, we are not to be hateful but we are to tell the truth, anything else would indeed be sin.
Well I have said enough, I would just ask that we read the Bible and read about Paul and the things he came against, I suggest reading about "Mars Hill" it is where we are at today!
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