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- Waterrat, on 10/11/2007, -6/+22 It's quite an eye opener,that's for sure.
I agree with him,btw. - leejae, on 10/11/2007, -3/+11Do you believe in a spaghetti monster?
- TenebrousX, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8You're ignorant if you think the scientific explanation for the origin of the Universe is "lol it just happened"
And the fact that we live on Earth doesn't mean it was made for us in mind. Life is on Earth _because_ of the things you mentioned. If the atmosphere was different, life would be different, and that life would be thinking "wow, the atmosphere is perfect for us!" Well duh, we're alive because we are suited for this environment. - wierdaaron, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Feels like the 9th or so time I've pointed this out here, but that is not "The God Delusion," it's "Religion: The Root of All Evil?" a documentary done for BBC.
"The God Delusion" is a book. - Virtuatech, on 10/11/2007, -4/+10Same here. This is a fantastic documentary series. Here's the second part, The Virus of Faith: http://www.educatedearth.net/video.php?id=3369 .
- Pickled_Punk, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6As I said earlier, if you religious freaks would stop forcing your crap on us normal folks, by changing our laws, our schools, and trying to control what we think and do with our own lives, there would be no issue. But you can't. Xtians think they are different from muslims. They are not. Left unfettered as islam has been in the east, xtians would be doing the same thing. They have done so in the past.
- HunterXI, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8It's not as though he's forcing other people to be nonreligious. He's calling for people to stand up against what he (and I) sees as a power structure hiding behind a story and belief.
- TenebrousX, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7I don't think he does claim to disprove God.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-dawkins/why-there-almost-certainl_b_32164.html
His title of this article is "Why There Almost Certainly Is No God", not "Proof of the Nonexistence of God" - AndrewJC, on 10/11/2007, -8/+13I'm continually amazed at how people of faith are treated by people who don't believe in God. Atheism is rapidly becoming its own religion, complete with evangelists and (anti-)religious persecution. I get really tired of the fact that people like Dawkins, accompanied by a rather large group of the Digg society, treats anybody who believes in God as if they are stupid.
I'm not a stupid person and I don't appreciate being treated as if I am. I have a marvelous idea, and it's served me well for the last twenty-seven years: How about I believe what I want and you believe what you want and we'll both be happy? - pilotss, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5As an Atheist I agree that it can be tough dealing with religious people but it is not our intent to talk down. Unfortunately the situation is about an Atheist not believing in what we see as a mythos. And we put it in the same category as unicorns. I think the best way we can make our statement is by saying "no, I don't believe in god" however when we say this, don't try indoctrinate us and we won't pull out the unicorn and bogeyman card.
- TrevorBelmont, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5First Hogan's Heroes, then Family Feud and now this? What CAN'T Richard Dawson Do? ...what? he's dead? really? Oh... Richard DAWKINS!
- aguitarhero, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5"I have all the evidence I need in God and all I have to do is look around and up to the sky and into the universe and know that all this wasn't some happenstance."
Look around you and see the millions of people dieing of deceases we have cures a long time ago, but yet they can't get treatment. Look up in to the sky, and the the comet, or lightning that kills innocent people. Look in to the universe, and see the billions of worlds, swallowed by black holes, or destroyed by supernovas.
Some god eh?
"The universe to FAR to complex for it to have just so happened. The moon for instance is just the right distance for proper tidal waves, the earth is just the right distance from the sun to keep us from freezing or melting."
That is somewhat irrelevant. You are right, the conditions on earth are perfect for our life... That is why there is no life on Venus. You are looking at it the wrong way, you are saying that we humans could only survive at these specific conditions, but that is why there are humans. Humans evolved to fit the Earth, NOT the other way around.
If the sun had been closer, or the atmosphere different, we would have evolved to withstand those kinds of conditions.
"The Bible has been around for thousands of years for it has stood the test of time."
Has it!? No one told me. The creation story, Noah's ark, Moses, and many of the others, have been disproved!
There is no evidence for god, so it would be, as you say, foolishness to assume so. It would be even more foolish to assume that there is a specific god, like Yahweh of the bible. Just because we don't have an explanation for something, it doesn't make a god, and definitely not God a likely possibility. - Vich, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4@josh1413
Firstly, arguing your point with biblical quotes does nothing for non-believers. Secondly, you don't have any evidence - you have faith and your own belief. Even if I can't claim there is no God, you can hardly claim there is one. The universe is complex, but why does that mean it couldn't have happened. You can argue that all the conditions were set up perfectly for life, but think of all the other planets and potential solar systems that don't have life. Why don't they have life, and if they don't have life why would God have created them?
The bible couldn't have become the world's most popular book if it was fallacy? Why not? I think you are placing too much faith in humans, we used to be very unintelligent creatures, and whilst we have evolved it is evident that some of our more primitive traditions have remained. I disagree that the Bible has stood the test of time. As time passes, it seems to become more and more irrelevant to the point where it contradicts what is accepted in society and causes controversy.
I'd also like to add that various other religions have stood the test of time as well, but they can't all be correct. - danbiz3, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4There are a lot of comments on here about people just wanting to believe what they want to believe and don't want passionate (not fundamentalist) atheists telling them what to believe. There is nothing wrong with that; if the idea of a God gives you comfort and helps you lead a better life then by all means keep your faith. What Dawkins, Harris, Hitchens and other atheists are trying to do is stop all the fundamentalist religious people who feel they are doing "God's will" by forcing it upon the rest of the world. Nobody can justifying hate and suffering through acting on God's will and there are plenty of places in the world today that do simply that. No atheist would fly planes into a building or commit countless other atrocities because they were acting on behalf of God. There have been terrible atheists, but they did terrible acts because they were terrible people, not because they were atheist.
You will never be able to prove or disprove a God. However, That does not mean you can't estimate the probability of one. Many civilizations throughout history have believed in many different Gods (Zeus, Thor, Spaghetti Monsters...) They can't all be right and none are particularly probable. In fact, it is very improbable there is a God at all. The world is very very complex and we certainly aren't close to fully understanding it, even with all of our knowledge gained to this point. We have learned many things over the centuries and will undoubtedly further our understanding of our world and the cosmos as our species progresses. But everyone must understand is that we are not just here by chance. Darwin's theory of evolution and natural selection elegantly explain how our world evolved to the point it is now at. If you don't understand that I suggest reading up on both subjects. The world came to be so complex by small incremental steps from simple to complex. To conjure a God who could not only create this complex world, but also hear hear our prayers, perform miracles, and watch over us at all times doesn't help answer the question of how this world came to be. You can't explain a complex world with an exponentially more complex being creating it.
I don't understand how matter came to be, or what caused the Big Bang (if that did happen) and science doesn't either, but it's certainly working on it. Science makes a hypothesis and tests it. Any scientist will concede he is wrong if there is evidence pointing the other way. The problem with religion is that it doesn't admit it's wrong; it becomes offended and trys to shut the other person up. Historically, it fought against the Earth moving around the Sun and now in our classrooms it's fighting back against evolution. Do we really want to raise our kids to think the Earth is less than 6000 years old and somebody just made all of this out of nowhere? Or do we want to teach them how beautiful the world really is by evolving to the point it is now?
Being an atheist myself all I want to say is to be informed. Question all religions and do research for yourself. Don't just listen to one source of information; go out and weigh all the options. Look at where information is coming from. Does it from from years of gathering evidence and being critically examined or does it come from a thousand year old book? If more people thought for themselves the world would be a better place. - kindrobot, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4I'm not on a march, few of us are. We express our point of view and we're called evangelical, extreme activists. It's quite simple. Religion, in general, thinks all criticism is a form of persecution. Well, at least they've convinced their flock.
- Pickled_Punk, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6Answer to your question: If people believed that crap, and kept it to themselves, we wouldn't have an issue. The fact that those beliefs are used to control what others think and do, is where that right to believe becomes untenable. Stay out of our laws, schools, and bedrooms, and we'll get along just fine. On your comment about disproving: Science does not disprove anything. A claim is made, and must be empirically examined, and falsifiable. If the hypothesis is repeatable, falsifiable, it is considered "proved" that is until more information is made available. Then the process begins again. Science does not start with the end result, then fits the data around the expected result as religion does. Religion makes a claim there is a god. The onus is on religion to back that up with empiricism, testability, and repeatability. It cannot, therefore the claim is considered false.
- resplence, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4"Atheism is a religion because it takes just as much unscientific Faith to Know there is no god, as there is to Know there is a God."
No, it doesn't. I was a believer. It doesn't as much faith because it does not stop on "I know there is a god". How could all the animals fit in the ark? How come there is no evidence that the jewish people ever roamed the desert, or were taken captive by the egyptians? What's with all the pain, suffering and random violence on the world? The earth is only 6000 years old? Are you ***** kidding me?
It takes way, way much more faith to accept everything that "knowing there is a god" requires.
Science, however, is straightforward. Is there a mystery? We just can't figure it all out yet. The universe is a clockwork, and we've just started studying how it works and how it all fits together.
And don't give me that crap about religion giving people's life meaning , or answering the "whys" while science only tackles the "hows". If someone asked you " Why did my 7 year old daughter was abducted, raped and killed in a gruesome way?" What would you say? Is it god's will? Or satan's? Are they paying for something they did in a past life? Did they had to go through it to learn something? If so, what? And no, "there must be a good reason for this to happen" is not an acceptable answer.
Life, the universe and everything are plausibly explainable without a god. In fact, it was bringing gods into it that created all this mess, and gives more room to confusion, in the first place. - Eivo, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Hmm, if I wanted to make everyone follow me I would just tell them that everything else is wrong. Kind of how Scientology denounces psychiatry because the doctor would tell them they are nuts.
However, by that logic, if we can't disprove "God" then you also can't disprove other peoples "Gods" and then your a sinner in their religion and are going to suffer. While we are at it, we couldn't disprove Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, Trolls, or ANY mythical creature. Religion is a vicious cycle of hate and ignorance trying to cloak itself as wisdom. - brstilson, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I think too many religious people are far too eager to use the word "persecution." If an atheist disagrees with you and puts out a book calling your belief system a delusion, that's not persecution. Fundamentalists especially seem to climb on the martyr bandwagon quickly when someone tries to undo their religiously-inspired legislation. For example, the attempted removal of "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance was viewed by many US Christians as an "attack" on their beliefs by the heathen Atheists. In fact, the words in question were not added until the 50's, to distinguish us from the "godless communists." To remove the words would not be an attack, but a restoration of the pledge that had existed in its original form. There are similar viewpoints toward the removal of prayer in schools. It seems to me that Fundamentalist Christians (a group which you are probably not a part of, so don't take it personally) view any notion of secularism as a threat to their very existence. They seem to believe that they have this inherent divine right to have a controlling interest in the US government. Anyone that disagrees with this stance is "persecuting" them.
Dawkins IMO goes way over the top when he claims that indocrinating a child in ANY religion is child abuse. It's as if he thinks we have no choice but to be religious. Certain religions are more harmful than others, of course. Telling a child that Allah wishes him to blow himself up and be rewarded with virgins in heaven is abuse for sure, but this is not the case everywhere.
Rest assured, there is no vast Atheist conspiracy to rid the world of Christians or any other religion. Most of us are completely content to let you live your life the way you wish. However, (even you have to admit this), many political systems are in bed with religions, passing laws that favor one belief over the other or none at all. So when someone says we shouldn't have prayer in school, it's not suggesting that we BAN prayer in school. If your kids really want to pray, they can still pray on their own time, it is their right. You can still pray with your children at home. No one is saying you can't. We just have an objection when the state FORCES others that may not share your belief to follow your customs as well. - kindrobot, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Disprove him! I dare ya.
- pilotss, on 10/11/2007, -4/+7As an atheist it is not my duty to prove or disprove a god. Its up to you the believer to prove it to yourself and while pressing indoctrination to others. We atheists are quite content.
We atheists would not be on a march if a more secular world existed. - Scott802, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3You say that "The universe to FAR to complex for it to have just so happened" but you claim that God just happened, isn't that convent. If earth was made by god for us then why do we have to put up with earthquakes, volcanoes, hurricanes, tsunamis, ect?
- kindrobot, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Criticism and satire are not oppression or persecution. If you think they are, go stab a cartoonist or something. Considering the number of religions in the world, I think we're much better off with fewer "sacred" things. Especially when you want ALL of us to consider your little bits just as sacred as all the others. If you also consider that the mere worship of the wrong God in many religions is blasphemy, nothing truly is or should be sacred. In other words, please get over yourselves and accept criticism like the rest of us. Or react and watch as the world rightly rejects your true extremism over time. It's inevitable.
- pilotss, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3And this differs from other religious texts how?
- Scott802, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5So who made God?
- brstilson, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3*sigh* like I said above. You can't prove a negative. Dawkins doesn't believe that there absolutely cannot be a God, he believes that the possibility of God is so unlikely that he doesn't believe in one. You don't believe in Thor, Odin, Zeus, or Apollo. In that same sense, atheists just go one God further.
- cam2009, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Atheism is a religion like not having a stamp collection is a hobby.
- cherrick, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Neil deGrasse Tyson on the perfection of the Universe, Earth, and life:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgSaTYLYRGI - cherrick, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Not true, because all the experiments that provide evidence for the basis of the theory of evolution can be done by anybody(if you have the resources) and they'll get the same result. THAT is what I think to be the true beauty of science. It's the only purely objective method of inquiry that we have. No faith required.
- resplence, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Evolution and natural selection are the very mechanisms that allow life to bloom in a not random way. It's the exact opposite of chance. Go educate yourself.
- kindrobot, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3You're right, all criticism is persecution. We should all stop lest we be extremists.
- willboston, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5That would be fine if religions, in general, let other people believe what they wanted to believe. A quick glance through worldwide history will show that this has very rarely been the case. There are still many places in the world where a person can be killed for saying they don't believe in a particular god. How many people have been killed in the name of a God by all of the major religions? That is not leaving alone.
- uberk, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4i can't believe you are complaining about the "persecution" of the religious by atheists. oh man, you have it soooo tough-- atheists have never known persecution at the hands of the religious. oh wait, yes they have. through all of history to today.
- threethirty, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3@zaii Religion doesn't blow, fundamentalist blow.
- kindrobot, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I have been to a country like that. It's what I was addressing. You're right, it isn't up for debate. That's the point. It's so woven into the fabric of society, going against it can cause a severe lack of breathing.
I don't digg and play all day, I work 7 days a week. I have not had a day off in months, and when I do I have to pay someone to do it. The more you know.... - brstilson, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2The Jews are actually the most persecuted people on earth right now. If anything, in the whole world scheme, THEY are the ones targeted. If you believe the religion that people hate the most is the right one, then by your logic, the Jewish faith is the right religion.
- resplence, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Just like thirdman said.
"A religion is a set of beliefs and practices generally held by a community, involving adherence to codified beliefs and rituals and study of ancestral or cultural traditions, writings, history, and mythology, as well as personal faith and mystic experience."
Unlike all religions, and even Buddhism (which for some is not a religion), atheism has nothing of that sort. Saying atheism is a religion because some individuals that identify with this philosophy fiercely oppose religious beliefs - as it is what you seem to suggest - is like saying policemen are also criminals because they so fiercely oppose criminals. - TenebrousX, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3The first part of the documentary is titled "The God Delusion" and the second part is called "The Virus of Faith"
This is the first part - brstilson, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Looks like I didn't finish my thought. Anyway, continuing on:
You don't see racism among very young children who haven't been taught to be racists. Those children are, in some sense, naturally good people. I'm willing to think that most people are naturally good. Criminals are usually products of their environment. Sure, there are some people with mental deficiencies that will be criminals no matter how good their upbringing was. But, in the vast majority of instances, hate and evil are learned behaviors, and most of the time, they are learned in a religious context.
You should really read The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins as it addresses this issue quite thoroughly IMO. - ThinkBox, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2ALLL HAIL SCIENCE!
- cherrick, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2On the other hand, I behave in a decent and loving manner toward other people, do good, have a higher moral standard and have a purpose in life from rational thought and human decency. But that's just me.
- resplence, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2"If believing in God means that I behave in a decent and loving manner toward other people, inspires me to do good, drives me toward a higher moral standard and gives me a solid purpose in life, What harm is that?"
The harm is in the fact that it will cause you to oppose everything that is not in accordance with your beliefs, even if it is a political measure that will benefit the majority of the population and general human welfare. It will also drive people in power who happen to have religious beliefs - or use it as marketing tool - to support measures that go against common sense and real needs of the people but is consonant with a book written 2000 years ago.
You can argue that this is not *your* case, or even the case of your religious denomination, but you can't deny that this is the current state of affairs, which means that this is what religion really and ultimately brings. You say the problem is not God, but man, but you forget that it's simply impossible for religion to exist without people. - brstilson, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Nothing could be further from the truth. For example, in the US, Atheists make up 10% of the population, yet only 0.2% of the prison population. We do in fact have moral rules and guidelines. Are you saying that the only reason you don't murder, rape, and pillage is because you're afraid your God will punish you? That's not very moral at all! I'm not saying though that you would be a murderer or a rapist without God, because you don't get your morality from the Bible.
Morality is affirmed consensus of the society in which you live. In the Bible, God commands parents to stone their misbehaving children to death. In fact, execution by stoning is one of the favored punishment methods in the OT. The apostles also commanded slaves to be "obedient" to their masters. Thus, the bible also condones slavery. Of course, you don't stone your children to death for talking back, and I'm sure you don't support slavery. These are moral decisions, in opposition to the Bible, that you have made for yourself. If you truly lived by every word of the Bible, you'd be a frightening person indeed. But you don't. You have rejected parts of the book collection because they don't fit in with the general moral consensus of society today. Sure, Jesus brought us the Golden Rule, or was that Confucious? Buddha? I'm not sure, perhaps all of them.
The reason humans are moral today is because moral societies where people are nice to each other are more likely to survive. We do better when we cooperate. If atheists have no moral rules or guidelines, as you have put it, then why did Bill Gates just give billions of dollars in aid to Africa? Many atheists are involved with charitable organizations, and many are helpful to people. Why? Simply to benefit society as a whole. Being charitable makes us a stronger people, and we don't need religion to figure that out, we already have.
Are there bad apples? Sure. But religious people have committed many crimes against humanity, far more I'd venture to guess, than atheists. Hitler was a confirmed Roman Catholic, but that doesn't mean it was Roman Catholicism that made him murder millions of jews. Stalin was an atheist, but atheism had little to do with his iron-fisted oppression of Russia. There is a quote that I think sums it all up.
"Evil people will do evil things and good people will do good things, but for a good person to do evil things, that takes religion."
Do all religions make good people do evil things? Of course not, but many do. Religious justification has bred hate, ignorance, fear, and greed in people that otherwise would not have entertained those feelings. Look at any white child play with a black child. - pilotss, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Believing that this universe was made just for us is a bit egocentric. I would say human. Who says we are that complicated? Because we know nothing more complex than ourselves? And how do we compare that idea with ourselves 1000 years ago. Are we the gods of our past? I can summon fire from my hands! I am lighter than air. I can turn water into wine. I still cant do that resurrect thing but give me 200 years and I am sure I'll be close.
- thirdman, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3No, its not - its a philosophical viewpoint. There's a difference between the two.
- Pickled_Punk, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Um.. no. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
- brstilson, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3"To claim there is no God as fact is foolishness without indisputable evidence."
How is it possible to have proof that something doesn't exist? You can't prove unicorns, bigfoot, and Santa Claus don't exist either. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Why don't you believe in Thor, Vishnu, or Ammon-Ra? You don't believe Zeus is the source of lightning bolts or that Apollo pulls the sun across the sky every day. Are those ideas really any more ridiculous than a man in the sky who waved his hands and *poof* everything was just "there?" The evidence that science has found promptly dismisses the Genesis account, it thoroughly proves that the earth is more than a few thousand years old. It proves that the modern animals today did not exist millions of years ago.
"I have all the evidence I need in God and all I have to do is look around and up to the sky and into the universe and know that all this wasn't some happenstance. It's retarded to even assume this was all an accident. The universe to FAR to complex for it to have just so happened."
Then who created God? God as you have defined it is also a complex being, so where did he come from? If the universe is too complex to have "just happened" then God is also too complex to have "just happened." If you believe God had a creator, who created that creator? You can't argue that complexity of the universe is proof of a designer because you then have a complex designer to explain. If a complex God doesn't need a designer, then why does the less complex universe need one?
"The moon for instance is just the right distance for proper tidal waves, the earth is just the right distance from the sun to keep us from freezing or melting. The atmosphere is just thick enough to protect us."
But does the earth really NEED tidal waves? Sure, we use them, but without the moon there would be no tidal waves. Life could still exist without them. We're not the only planet to have a moon either, Saturn has over 60 of them. The earth is in an area where liquid water (and thus, life) is possible. It is true that if the earth were a little bit closer or further away, then life as we know it probably wouldn't exist. However, life could still exist. We only think the life that we know is "proper" because it is the life we experience. Many planets also have atmospheres, some much much thicker than ours. I'm not arguing that life must be a very rare occurrence. But the universe is also very, very big. Even if the chances of life occurring on a planet were one in a billion, and if there are (by best estimates) a billion billion planets in the entire universe, than life still has occurred on a billion planets. That fact that you believe everything happens for a reason doesn't prove that it does.
"You can claim there is no God, but without 100% proof it’s an unsafe speculation. "
Again, you can't prove a negative. I can't prove the earth wasn't created by an invisible Flying Spaghetti Monster, either.
"You won’t find God in the physical realm for it’s not possible. God is a spiritual being. You can only find him in His Word and if only you would take time to look."
What makes you think that, if a God exists, that YOU have his Word? There are people on the other side of the world who are just as sure as you are that THEY have God's Word. What makes you right and not them? What makes anybody right? What makes you think that ANY religion has gotten it right?
"The Bible has been around for thousands of years for it has stood the test of time."
Actually the "Bible" as you know has only been around for about 1,500 years. It is a compilation of older books set as canon by a committee of Religious and Political rulers in the 4th century AD. Before the Council of Nicea, various Churches used different collections as their canon. This is why the council was set up to begin with. There are many more Gospels out there than just the chosen four. If things had gone a little bit differently in Constantine's committee meeting, you'd be studying the Gospel of Thomas right now instead of the Gospel of John perhaps. There are other, far older holy books out there than your Bible.
"If it was all fallacy in the first place how could it have then taken off to become the world’s most popular book? Kings tried to destroy it, leaders tried to stop it, people tried to kill it (the messengers at least) and it has yet gone forth just has God said His word will."
So if something is popular that makes it true? The Bible has, like I said earlier, only been around for about 1,500 years. Why is it popular? Because Constantine made Christianity the official religion of the most powerful empire on earth. It was made popular as a political move and spread further by sword. In the Muslim world, the Bible is not the most popular book, the Koran is. Does that make the Koran true? - ShaneApex, on 10/11/2007, -6/+8Soooooo, you can just ignore the old testament if you want? Selectively decide what you want to believe in?
- brstilson, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2josh1413, this is you: You have chosen to debate me, therefore by acknowledging my arguments, you have admitted that your stance needs defending. Therefore, I am right.
- kindrobot, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2You had me up to "the rest of true...." and the rest of it. In other words, if we would all just follow those principles, the world would be a better place. True. BUT, the world does not work that way. There are too many religions and far too many vastly differing interpretations for this to ever happen without bloodshed. The true Christian faith you speak of also contains self-preserving aspects (mentioned in an above post) that makes this kind of unity unlikely, if not impossible without dramatically re-interpreting the texts of all religions or tossing them out altogether because they would no longer be the "true" texts. How about, let's say you put your own selfishness aside and accept some other religion of peace, reinterpreted to fit your above scenario? Would you deny your God for world peace? Which religion needs to? At least a few would need to. Are you willing to be the one?
In my mind, it sort of makes the whole thing seem a bit pointless. But if you live your life in peace and are happy, why on earth would I want you to change? I would not. -
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