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- keltin, on 04/13/2008, -21/+134Edstate - they weren't citizens, and unless you know absolutely nothing, it is only citizens who are allowed to vote, not a green card holder.
- inactive, on 04/13/2008, -30/+84Instead of being a Doctor who speaks perfect English, he should be a fruit picker who only knows the words "police" and "INS". Not only would he of been allowed to stay, he would of been given free healthcare, his children given free education, and more often than you think perhaps even a free place to stay.
- EdgarVerona, on 04/13/2008, -3/+57The article isn't even about what the description says: it was mentioned toward the bottom as a separate but related story.
The actual article is about a couple who are being deported due to a technicality involving when they got married, and has nothing to do with voting. The voting thing was brought up as an example of another reason why people can be deported.
Why'd they pick out that detail paragraph at the end as the description? - kb29, on 04/13/2008, -22/+61Why would they think they could vote, when they aren't even citizens?
Anyone can get a greencard, using their logic, anyone could vote. - EdgarVerona, on 04/13/2008, -2/+39I agree with you completely, but that wasn't what the story was about. The description in here is misleading: the couple that the story is about are being expelled for a technicality about when they got married.
For some reason, the writer thought that the separate case of mistaken voting was similar and used it as "follow up" information toward the end of the article (though they're not similar at all... expelling someone because of the timing of their marriage is idiotic, expelling someone because they illegally voted is much more reasonable). - drlha, on 04/13/2008, -5/+39Misrepresenting oneself as a US Citizen is a huge no-no and a deportation offense. These people were idiots thinking they could vote with just a green card. How on Earth did they navigate the legal minefield of getting a green card without learning this simple fact. I speak as a Green Card holder myself.
- Nudar, on 04/13/2008, -12/+41How could he be so well educated and yet believe that non-citizens (excluding illegal Mexicans of course) are allowed to vote?
- inactive, on 04/13/2008, -17/+41So they screwed up. It's a pretty big screwup, but it was obviously not intentional, or they wouldn't have reported it on their applications.
Do you really want to turn away people whose crime is that they honestly thought they could vote and were eager to do so, but were wrong? - Bartboy919, on 04/13/2008, -10/+31You want to take away their pot?!
- TheGuin, on 04/13/2008, -9/+29It is their fault, the green card only allows you to stay in the country, it in no way makes you a citizen, but it does make it easier to become one.
- ELee, on 04/13/2008, -1/+19Of all the Digg comments so far, it is obvious only a couple people actually read the article.
- tamerrashdan, on 04/13/2008, -6/+24You should never vote before gettin' naturalized, this is fraud
- santaliqueur, on 04/13/2008, -13/+29The problem is, when we try to attack ILLEGAL immigration, these people band together in the streets and claim we are trying to get rid of all Mexicans. They blur the lines of the law, and the public's opinion is swayed to believe that the people who are trying to enforce the law are bigots.
There millions of legal and illegal immigrants here. We have a system in which we allow immigrants to legally become citizens. And believe it or not, we have the right to take that away.
Immigrants need to follow OUR laws when coming to OUR country. Otherwise, they are criminals, plain and simple. - aigulf, on 04/13/2008, -7/+23The point of the article is that many of these 12% thought they were following the law.
- ladaki, on 04/13/2008, -6/+21Is the US handing out free health care and education now then?
- jasz, on 04/13/2008, -3/+18Agreed, it is very clear when you apply for permanent residence status that you ARE NOT entitled to those rights a citizen has, and the first one in the list is VOTING.
~Another Green Card Holder. - welk, on 04/13/2008, -2/+16Rather than complaining about them being stupid for thinking they could vote, shouldn't people be worried that its possible to vote when you're not even a citizen?
- inactive, on 04/13/2008, -12/+26They're not committing fraud. People who commit fraud by definition don't tell you they're doing so. They made an honest mistake.
I imagine what they're going to do afterwards is hang up a flag, start a business, and generally be better citizens than your sorry ass. - turiya04, on 04/13/2008, -4/+17I think immigrants and citizens would benefit from a more efficient immigration policy; American citizens, I doubt, would want to go through the incredible amount of hassle it would take to immigrate here, had they not been fortunate enough to be born on this side of our borders.
As a social worker, I'm well aware that bulky, confusing plans and policies are meant as deterrents, not as functional systems to be used. Our country's path to citizenship is unwieldy, complex, and time consuming, and seeks only to prevent lawful immigration, not to facilitate it. - qedx, on 01/11/2009, -2/+15people need to RTFA: "The Servanos are among a growing group of legal immigrants who reach for the prize and permanence of citizenship, only to run afoul of highly technical immigration statutes that carry the severe penalty of expulsion from the country. For the Servanos, the problem has been a legal hitch involving their marital status when they came from the Philippines some 25 years ago."
And the submitter sucks for choosing a lame description. - radu79, on 04/13/2008, -2/+14Regarding those from Florida who voted, well, that's stupid. I am also a permenent resident, and I know my rights. Voting is not one of them, so I don't vote (but I can donate money and support candidates in other ways, and I do so).
Those in PA who married in another country, that's a ***** reason to deport them. It was a honest mistake, and it's been done ages ago, so what about some staus of limitations thing? - StGhurka, on 04/13/2008, -0/+11"Is the US handing out free health care and education now then?"
Yes. Health care is essentially free. Any hospital that has an emergency room has to treat all comers without regard to their ability to pay - which seems reasonable. The problem with that is uninsured people are using the emergency room as their primary physicians. Consequently, hospitals are closing their emergency rooms because they lose so much money.
k-12 education is free to all kids who live here without regard to immigration status. - Maninthemiddle, on 04/13/2008, -2/+13The main point of the article is that legal immigrants, taking the long path to naturalization, can have pitfalls based on bureaucratic minutia rather than sound reason.
My beautiful daughter-in-law and her outstanding family are from Brazil. They spent years navigating the maize of regulations.
It like the children's game CandyLand - one slip up, and you go back to the start.
It would be nice to have a bit of reason.
Voting fraud, however, is not a point to be contended. Clearly, one cannot vote until citizenship is granted.
It would be highly interesting to find out who registered - and (perhaps) even recruited - non-citizens to vote. - StGhurka, on 04/13/2008, -1/+121. Heavy fines for companies that employ them
2. The problem pretty much goes away by itself.
No mass-deportations needed. The biggest problem would be a spike in wage inflation and an exodus of manufacturing to countries with a lower cost of labor. It's totally worth it. - drlha, on 04/13/2008, -1/+12Who was talking about other countries? I'm talking about getting a US greencard. I guess your argument is that they might come from a country where non-citizens can vote and therefore assume they can in the USA. However part of being in the USA is learning the law of the USA.
- inactive, on 04/13/2008, -6/+17Only to non-citizens. Actually, a lot of US citizens do get "free" healthcare as well. I put free in quotes, because by free I mean funded by taxpayers like me.
- robthom, on 04/13/2008, -4/+14I've found "education" is often more indicative of memorization and study skills that actual intelligence.
- pintomp3, on 04/13/2008, -1/+11because it's easier to get the xenophobes fired up that way.
- Hetman, on 04/13/2008, -10/+20This is wrong. I am totally against illegal immigration. But these people were trying to legally enter the country and I do not think that is a good reason to have them deported.
- AntBing, on 04/13/2008, -1/+10Get a lot of buses and start sooner than later.
- michaelrsa, on 04/13/2008, -4/+13I myself an an immigrant to this country, coming from South Africa, and have to say that of any people you Americans are probably the most hospitable. I integrated very easily and I have got to say I can't imagine myself living anywhere else but here in one of the world's greatest countries.
- StGhurka, on 04/13/2008, -3/+11They probably had no choice but to acknowledge that they voted. They had green cards - they had Soc Sec numbers. If they voted but said they didn't, they would have likely been found out and then charged with fraud.
They put themselves in an impossible situation. It was their own fault. Frankly I am skeptical of the claim that they thought it was ok to vote. - inactive, on 04/13/2008, -4/+12Immigration laws of most countries are harsher than than those of the US....
- DuffyDirect, on 04/13/2008, -0/+8also police, fire protection, and library services
- inactive, on 04/13/2008, -17/+25This country is built on legal immigration. We should be erring on the side of naturalization.
- Syric, on 04/13/2008, -1/+8Blame the registration office that approved their application to vote.
- EdgarVerona, on 04/13/2008, -4/+11That wasn't even what the story was about. I agree that voting before you're a citizen is a bad thing... but the story is about people who got legal residency status and then had it revoked because of a technicality in when they got married.
- kylere, on 04/13/2008, -5/+12I thought I was doing the speed limit once, but I was in a 60KPH zone not a 70KPH and I received a ticket. It appears that laws are subject to strict interpretation.
- StGhurka, on 04/14/2008, -2/+9Don't like it? Don't apply to be a permanent resident of the United States. It's pretty simple.
- chrispix, on 04/13/2008, -0/+6It does for local elections.
- dexter411, on 04/13/2008, -0/+6They didn't need our help coming into this country and they wouldn't need our help getting out. Set up a grace period during which employers need to match the Social Security numbers presented to them by employees with names. If they don't match, they must fire them. If they don't fire them and a random audit finds this, fine the companies heavily.
American business only loves illegal immigrants because they supply labor. Make it financially unattractive to hire illegals and that'll be the end of it. Then, set up an easy system to bus back illegal immigrants (hell, set up a public fund for buses) and then let them apply for legal immigration. No harm, no foul, and a logistical nightmare that Democrats love to push forth (to buy votes) is mollified. - inactive, on 04/13/2008, -4/+10Hmmm...how about comparing it to MEXICAN immigration laws...
Snopes...
http://msgboard.snopes.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi? ... - robthom, on 04/13/2008, -4/+10"Many countries allow non-citizens, who are legal residents, to vote in some elections."
Well than thats were they should go. - inactive, on 04/13/2008, -3/+9Can I sleep at your house tonight? I know I don't pay your mortgage but I do have needs...
- inactive, on 04/13/2008, -4/+10you idiot they are doctors and have lived in america for 25 years
- dddavid, on 04/14/2008, -0/+5you are joking, right?
- Syric, on 04/13/2008, -1/+6Gonna have to bury you for that one. I'm a bleeding-heart liberal myself (or so I'm told), but that's the wrong way to frame the argument.
- merper, on 04/13/2008, -5/+10Perfect analogy. Legal immigration is indeed an affront to common human decency.
- moedawg, on 04/13/2008, -3/+8Having gone through the US naturalization process myself recently, I honestly think the guidelines are simple and straightforward. Once I got my green card, I knew I had quite a few privileges I didn't previously have but voting rights was not one of them. If you want to see an immigration process that is stupid, bureaucratic, and overly complex, then India's OCI (Overseas Citizenship of India) is a shining example. Basically, now that I have given up Indian citizenship by taking the US oath, I can get a booklet that looks like a passport and says Overseas Citizen of India on it, and is supposed to allow me dual citizenship. But at the immigration counter in India, I would still need a visa stamp that is in my other passport, or back I go. The US is fine with people having dual citizenship, but politicians and bureaucracies in other countries can be much more illogical that our guys. It looks like these people should still get naturalized eventually, but I don't know what indiscretions like a DUI would do to a naturalization application.
- michaelrsa, on 04/13/2008, -0/+5man your in Canada? I'm in Minnesota, I though it was awful adjusting to the cold winters here but it must be 10 times worse for the Canadian winters!
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